Eathquake Hits India And Pakistan

RE: 375 Dionysus

{``ISI@we`re-gonna-screw-India-up-the-ass.org.pk``}

Mere Bhai, rush to your HMO and get your sphincter examined ASAP. Or just dab a cotton swab in that general area to see the color red.

The only ass_es that are bleeding after the mis-adventures of ISI+Mullahs belong to Pakistanis.

Re: Caste System

Hi folks,

I am reading a lot of stuff on caste system in this forum,so i thought i will say my bit.

Caste System or ``varnas`` as they were called in the vedic period were based strictly on vocation. Except for the lowermost caste (called Dalits today)rest were free to change their vocation. The writer of Mahabarata, sage Vyasa, was born to a fisherwoman. He is considered foremost among the sages in ancient India. He was the one who gathered all the 4 Vedas which lay scattered all over Bharat and compiled them into one.The writer of the other great epic Ramayana,Valmiki, was born in a low caste also. Both, because of their scholarship, were considered brahmins. Brahmin in those times simply meant ``the knower of Brahman or God``. These were pious people who spent most of their time in reading and teaching students. They had no power but commanded a lot of respect. The kings of those times sent their sons to these men for education.

I believe it was much later that the system became hierarchial (spelling?). Brahmins came to acquire some previleges that they steadily held on to. The easy mobility between the castes early on disappeared.

Caste system as it exists today is a curse. While affirmative action has helped a number of people from the underprevileged class,it has not removed the barriers of caste system. A person from lower caste who has made it good continues to hold on to his caste.

It is wrong to think that everyone from high caste in India is well off. I personally know a number of poor brahmins in Madras who are in a pitiable state. The state won`t help them because they are brahmins. Many of them would probably be wishing they were born in a low caste. The affirmative action in Tamil Nadu is peculiar in that it is directed against minority (brahmins form about 2 - 5% of the total population of that state)whereas in USA it is meant for the minority. More than 25 years of rule by the government that represents the interest of the lower castes in that state(DMK and ADMK)has not resulted in abolishing the caste system in that state.

I think caste system can never be abolished in India since it exists in the minds of the people. However,through legislation and other means,we can make sure that one caste does not enjoy more previleges than the other.

rsridhar

RSaxena# 378

You asked me ``Are cousin marriages common in my clan``

That I don`t know, but whatever is transmitted to us written or verbally says to be away from RSaxena.

Badbu Aati Hai.

Harimau #373

I am with you even on this.

There was no cast barrier in Mela.

I agree with you wholeheartedly on my previous post. And I agree with you now again.

In fact I am with you in all your deeds which are tarnishing the image of India.

Like Protest of christian is very bad, I will go with you to burn their churches and kill those Indian who still believe in Foreign ideology.

Like Muslims living in slums and not coming out of ignorance and have a soft corner for Pakistan. I will be with you to threaten them to change their Anti India policy.

And yes Mela. Did I say there was caste system in Mela. You are boss. THERE WAS NO CAST SYSTEM IN MELA.

And like that pious Salim you will find me also at your sides.

Harimau #384

Bhai Kis Ke Chakkar Mein Aa Gaye.

Bohat Marte Hain phir Gaar Dete Hain.

Is to Sharafat Ki Zaban Mein Kabah Mein Dafan Karna Kahte Hain.

Warna Kabah Mein Ghair Muslim Zinda ya Murda Ka Kia Kaam.

mcGupta:#371

Thank you for your reference material.

There is already a wealth of material available in urdu and maybe hindi too.

In the entire BBB(sheep) education system a very diabolical method is employed by the csp?IAS types AND by the missionary schools to cover all this up.

Actually I do not fault these jahils from this education system because I myself was one of them(Having attended those ``prestigious`` ones AND became the jahil of the kind who thought himself to be much above those who knew much more than I did)

There is so much detailed stuff available that the entire definition of ``holocaust`` would have to either re-entered in the dictionary or some new word coined.

Not only India but throughout the civilised world,wherever these thugs have gone,they have left their evil markings.

As recent as 20 years ago,Hunting aborginines was one the great favorite `sport` of the Australians.

Americans,Canadians,& British,under cover of science,are still carrying out heinous crimes against blacks & othe `inferior` races.Once in a while some news trickles out.

Nothing is forgotten.Our people are marking time and once they acquire sufficient werewithal these stories WILL be told.

Those who did not benefit from the evil education system or had the fore-sight to seek real learning have retained this knowledge.

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wassalaam.

Ref FARANGI_KUSH #: 369

[If the Brahmin dies while steadfastly worshipping in the temple,then he deserves a burial in kaabaa.]

If such sentiments could truly be translated into reality, I personally would not have a problem living in an avowedly Islamic society.

Ref RSaxena #: 380

[Wow, your insight is blinding. I don`t think anyone would have known all that had you not so cleverly informed us.]

Go easy on the shrink, yaar. You shouldn`t attempt deflate his swollen head that quickly. The single cell inhabiting his cranium might get blown out.

Ref Dionysus #: 375

[What are we going to do about your raping, murdering and torturing army`s threat to our freedom and its occupation of Kashmir??]

You mean Bangladesh, not Kashmir, don`t you?

Or, is it okay for Islamist thugs to rape and kill Muslims because they happen to be of different ethnicity?

Has it occurred to you that some of the Indian Army soldiers whom you accuse of raping Kashmiri women might be Nagas, Tamils, Sikhs, Mizos, Sikkimese and a whole lot of other minorities with whom you Pakistanis have expressed great solidarity?

Dionysus, say with pride, ``I am a Pakistani, known world-wide for terrorism, smuggling, drugs, and killing innocent people.``

sateesh:#376

You are so good at quoting the shair:

Thank you.

From the same ghazal:

``Yarab na voh samjhain hain,naa samjhain gey miri baat

Dey aur dil unkO jo naa dey mujhH ko zubaaN aur``

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Ghalib & the farangies:

How can Ghalib be accused of being anti-farangi.The guy was the greatest beneficiary of their favours and post-1857 still looked upon with deep suspicion.

His uncle,the Governor of Agra & the Chief Commander of the Marhattha army ended the siege of agra fort by simply handing over the keys to Lord Lake and in return was awarded the jageers.These jageers were to later result in the deadly family feud which culminated in the murder of Frazer,the Resident-General of Delhi.

Ghalibs` misfortunes began from then on because his cousin was the killer & the whole family was suspect.Delhi was haunted for many days & the entire city was punished for this crime.The city was brought to starvation & famine conditions.

Ghalib had many friends at the clubs & residency.His letters to major John Jacob are a delightful read into his life & times.

At the same time Ghalib was perhaps the first Indian who heard & saw the page of history turning and recorded these fore-telling observations occasionaly.

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I just want to stop here,I hope I`ve made the point.

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wassalaam

Re: shankar #363

Wow, your insight is blinding. I don`t think anyone would have known all that had you not so cleverly informed us.

Dionysus #375
And I been told so often on chowk that the ISI`s activities in India are a figment of Indian propaganda machine`s vivid imagination, sigh.

Krashid,

Are cousin-marriages common in your klan?

RE: harimau #373

Please don`t bother Mullah Krashid to take time away from his grammar classes and Mujahideen training to read anything that challenges his under-developed mind.

Re:F_K

You are probably right, shayad mai mauzood nahi tha, ya shayad maine ye samjha ke

Hai bas ke har-ek unke ishare me nishan aur

Karte hain muhabbat to gujarta hai guman aur ...

Though I have been interacting off/on on this site for some time, I didnot bring Ghalib in so far because we usually talk about things Ghalib wouldn`t have liked ...

Like your anti-farangi rhetoric though... :-)

sadna #368

What are we going to do about your raping, murdering and torturing army`s threat to our freedom and its occupation of Kashmir?? Da ya really hafta ask?? If you do, please write to the following address for information:

ISI@we`re-gonna-screw-India-up-the-ass.org.pk