What Constitutes Blasphemy?

Reply #: 597

sadna

Dear sadna moderate muslims ?

Please define ?

Is it a secular muslim who cosniders islam incapable of delivering viable, just, progressive, sustainable governence ?

If so then such a premise is incorrect as islam by its very nature is applicable for all times.

I have posted a leafet below published by Hizb ut tahir, about Uzbekistan.

Where the present tyranical (self appointed and tyranical ruler of uzkeisten) has failed to show an ideological alternative to the islamic soltions provided by hizb ut tahrir.

The masses alhamdullilah, due to their intelectual prowess (incedently uzbek have over 95% literacy) have rejected karimov and want the khilafah.

Further karimov on failing to show an ideological alternative has resorted (as often is the case when there is weakness in intelectual strength ) to resort to physical persecution of members of hizb ut tahrir their families and supporters and for those working for the khilafah.

Al`Jazeera Satellite channel mentioned in one of her news reports that the number of workers for the Islamic Khilafah in Central Asia is around 15 million. Al`Waie Magazine also mentioned in Sha`ban 1421 issue that the total number of Muslim prisoners who are members or supporters to Hizb-ut-Tahrir in Uzbekistan are more than 40 thousand

Hizb ut-Tahrir is well known througout the world to be non militant. and do not use armed struggle/ civil war as a method to re estasblish the islamic state khilafah. this is because from our detailed research (ijtihad) of the sources of islamic law. there is no legal basis, for such an endevour.

``The President of Uzbekistan admits to being intellectually bankrupt



On the 6th of April 2000, Karimov, the President of Uzbekistan, gathered together the well known intellectuals of his country from the writers, poets, historians, correspondents, mosque Imams, psychologists, the educated and scholars in society and those qualified in ideological matters. In this meeting he gave a long speech which was broadcast on all television channels in Uzbekistan. The following are some excerpts:

``We have said many times before that we are fighting thought with thought and creed with creed. However, do we have a creed which can take the place of the false creeds that we are fighting? We have to acknowledge that up until now we have not prepared such a creed or ideology. Any state or society which does not have this is doomed to failure. There are many issues which I am not able to reveal to you. For example: If the state in Uzbekistan collapses then the whole of Central Asia will collapse. For this reason Uzbekistan has become a target for intervention and foreign intellectual struggle. How is it that we see Hizb-ut-Tahrir filling the society with its ideology and especially when we know that the Wahhabis and Hizb-ut-Tahrir are mere puppets in the hands of others?`` ``This is why I request you to create, as soon as possible, a national ideological creed, or an idea of this type which suits our characteristics and is able to face their ideology. You have been entrusted with this task before but the result was of no avail. This time I will provide whatever is necessary: time and financial support. But the results now should not be as before``.

This is a word for word translation of his expressions. The rest of his speech was full of defeated and contradictory expressions. He is saying that he fights thought with thought. Then he says he does not possess thought.

The truth of the matter is that he fights thought with arrests, brutal torture, killing and harsh sentences. Hizb-ut-Tahrir has not undertaken any assassination attempts or acts of violence. It only undertakes the carrying of the Islamic Call via the intellectual and political method. Thus, Karimov has carried out a campaign of arrests that has included more than 4,000 people from Hizb-ut-Tahrir and thousands more from the rest of the Muslims. A large number of those arrested have been martyred under the torture of Karimov`s accomplices. Others have been sentenced by his unjust courts for periods reaching 20 years. This harshness of Karimov comes from his origins as a disbelieving Jew. The Jews are the most severest of people in enmity to Islam and the Muslims.

Karimov`s regime is not the only regime which is empty and hollow and not based on an ideology or thought. Rather, all the existing regimes in the Islamic world including those in Central Asia are hollow. The creed of the people in the Islamic world is the Islamic creed and the creed of Islam is one from which a system emanates organising all affairs of the people. And this system is the only correct system for the world because it is from Allah (swt). And every attempt to separate the creed from the system or to mix and patch together different creeds and systems is a consequence of shallow thinking and its outcome is failure.

Hizb-ut-Tahrir did not bring together all the thinkers so that they may create a creed, ideology or thought for them. Hizb-ut-Tahrir carries to the people the Islamic creed and thoughts which Allah (swt) revealed. The people of Uzbekistan are Muslims and they stick to the Islamic creed and thoughts. This is what will suit them. That is why they are in harmony with Hizb-ut-Tahrir in its work to establish the Khilafah, resume the Islamic way of life, unite the Islamic lands under the flag of one Khaleefah and carry the Message of Islam to the world.

America had noticed that Islam was spreading in Central Asia. Thus she feared for her influence and ambitions there. She feared for her culture and herself due to the rise of Islam which she saw not as a mercy to her but as an affliction on her. That is why she and all the kufr states call it terrorism and are holding conferences and draw up plans to fight it.

Before Karimov`s meeting with the intellectuals a visit with secret objectives was undertaken by the director of the CIA George Tenet to Tashkent. At the same time George Tenet had undertaken a public visit to Georgia, Khazakstan on the 26th and 27th of March 2000. The Tashkent talks concentrated on the international fight against terrorism which has been led by America.

This visit was based on the report of (Stevens) the head of the department specialised in Russian and the independent republics affairs who stated in the report: `That Central Asia is facing danger due to Muslim Terrorists` according to his claim.

Therefore it is likely that it was the CIA director who requested Karimov to hold a meeting and put down a creed for the state as part of a wider plan whose drawing up and implementation is supervised by America in order to strengthen her hold over the region. Otherwise, the Muslims will seize authority in Uzbekistan and the rest of central Asia.

The American secretary of state Madeleine Albright quickly made an official visit to Uzbekistan, Khazakstan and Kyrgyzstan. She promised to allocate $10 million dollars for the training of Uzbek units especially to fight terrorism and protect the borders with Afghanistan. She also warned the government of Uzbekistan against oppressing all religious Muslim civilians because that would strengthen those advocating `terrorism`. She called upon Uzbekistan to subdue the `extremists` and those calling to `terrorism` only. She also invited Uzbekistan to participate in a conference that is to be held in Washington next June to fight terrorism in Central Asia.

No sooner had Albright`s visit to Uzbekistan come to an end than the President of China Jiang Zemin whilst visiting Ankara agreed with the Turkish president Demirel, and Prime Minister Ecevit that the two sides will combat with force `all types of international terrorism, separatist

tendencies and extremist religious forces`. It is worth mentioning that the area of Xinjiang (East Turkestan) is inhabited by a Muslim majority from the Igor who are working for independence from China and a return to their Islamic identity. China has undertaken suppressive and brutal operations against them and accuses them of fundamentalism and now is seeking help from Turkey against them, knowing full well that the Igor lands are in Central Asia and border Khazakstan.

O Muslims in Uzbekistan: Karimov was a communist. And when Communism fell he became an agent of Russia. Then, America enticed him and he became her agent. He is trying, with guidance from America, to formulate a creed and charter for the state which is other than the creed and charter of Islam. So do not allow them to do this. Protect your Islam and Allah (swt) will protect you.

O Muslims wherever you are: America and other kufr states have made Islam the number one enemy, especially after the fall of Communism. And they have begun to depict the complete Islam which will rule all affairs of life and look after the affairs of people as fundamentalism and terrorism. They have started to fight Islam explicitly under the name of terrorism. And their agents from the rulers of the Muslim lands are implementing the plans of these disbelieving states and suppressing those calling to Islam under the slogan of fighting terrorism. But, do not fear them and be strong and firm in facing them and be with Allah (swt) who will destroy the tyrants.

Allah (swt) says: ``If you help (in the cause of) Allah, He will help you, and make your foothold firm`` [47:7]

19 Muharram 1421 AH

Hizb-ut-Tahrir

24th April, 2000``

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Reply #: 583

ylh

Reply #: 591

ylh

my credentials as a barrister at law - please refer to my earlier post. As to the atributes of Mohhamed Ali jinnah, being secular, these are well documented, without me having to comment.

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Reply #: 583

ylh

my credentials of being a barrister at law, are irrelevant in these discussions. as i hope that people would like to would like to participate in the intelectual discussions and evidences i raise rather then questions of my proffessional acclamain.

however for those desirious to verify my proffessional qualifications. please contact the bar council of england and wales. and the honourbale society of lincolns inn, london. both of which i am a member. they will be able to verify my credentials as a barrister. and if you wish to meet me in person, contact me likewise through the bar council or through my email address at barristeruk@hotmail.com

now as for your second point.

the khilafah, is an obligation. and the name of the term was given to us by Mohhamed saws in numous hadith you can find in the sihah (the 6 classical collections of sahih hadith)

i will highlite some of them below.

please kindly reply with detailed evidence, if you disagree, rather than making baseless, albeit libelous accusations, with no substanitiation of there truth.

Muslim reported on the authority of Abu Hazim, who said: ``I accompanied Abu Hurairah for five years and heard him talking of the Prophet`s saying: The Prophets ruled over the children of Israel, whenever a Prophet died another Prophet succeeded him, but there will be no Prophet after me. There will be Khulafa`a and they will number many. They asked: What then do you order us? He said: Fulfil the bay`ah to them one after the other and give them their due. Surely Allah will ask them about what He entrusted them with.``

Also Abu Said al-Khudri narrated that the Prophet said: ``If a pledge is taken to two Khaleefahs, kill the latter one.`` (ONLY ONE KHALIFAH AT A TIME BEING PERMIITTED FOR ALL MUSLIMS)

``O you who believe! Obey Allah, obey the Messenger and the rulers from amongst you, and if you disagree on a matter then return it (for judgement) to Allah and the Messenger if you truly believe in Allah and the Last Day.`` [TMQ 4:59] -(imam abu hanifa rm and iamma shafi rm say that the rulers here refer to the khhulafa. (khalifs)

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Reply #: 568

``Asif Naqshbandi

assalaamu alaikum

brother Asif.

the khilafah is an islamic obligation and working for its re establishment is also an islamic obligation. as to when it will ultimatelly be re established that is in Allah`s hands alone.

whether imam mehdi comes and leads the ummah to its return and re application. we are still obliged to work for its reutrn.

let me give you and example to illustrate the point.

rizk min allah, wealth comes from Allah, as stated in the quran tmq.

however Allah has commanded that we are obliged to work for it and physically work to acquire our rizk. 9similary as to how allah has obliged to work in the islamic manner to conduct all actions and acquire all issues.

he says tmq

``Allah does not change the circumstances of any people until they have changed what is within themselves.`` [TMQ 13:11]

so for exaple a baker with 2 children. needs money to provide for his needs.

hence he is obliged to work .

he bakes bread

then goes to the market to try and sell his goods.

( he has performed all the actions that are in his control)

ultimatelly the sucess he has in selling his bread is in Allah`s hands. not his own. he could sell all of it or half or none of it. the money he acquires is fixed by Allah but he`s fulfillment of his obligation to work to acquire the money is in his hands.

hence our ability to fulfill the obligation to work to re establish the khilafah is in our hands. as to its return only Allah knows when.

i pray it is soon. whther leaded by imam mendhi or some other sincere msulim leader

amin.

your brother in islam

Barrister Ahmer

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Reply #: 568

``Asif Naqshbandi

assalaamu alaikum

brother Asif.

the khilafah is an islamic obligation and working for its re establishment is also an islamic obligation. as to when it will ultimatelly be re established that is in Allah`s hands alone.

whether imam mehdi comes and leads the ummah to its return and re application. we are still obliged to work for its reutrn.

let me give you and example to illustrate the point.

rizk min allah, wealth comes from Allah, as stated in the quran tmq.

however Allah has commanded that we are obliged to work for it and physically work to acquire our rizk. 9similary as to how allah has obliged to work in the islamic manner to conduct all actions and acquire all issues.

he says tmq

``Allah does not change the circumstances of any people until they have changed what is within themselves.`` [TMQ 13:11]

so for exaple a baker with 2 children. needs money to provide for his needs.

hence he is obliged to work .

he bakes bread

then goes to the market to try and sell his goods.

( he has performed all the actions that are in his control)

ultimatelly the sucess he has in selling his bread is in Allah`s hands. not his own. he could sell all of it or half or none of it. the money he acquires is fixed by Allah but he`s fulfillment of his obligation to work to acquire the money is in his hands.

hence our ability to fulfill the obligation to work to re establish the khilafah is in our hands. as to its return only Allah knows when.

i pray it is soon. whther leaded by imam mendhi or some other sincere msulim leader

amin.

your brother in islam

Barrister Ahmer

for more info on the work for reviving the ummah , and fulfilling this fard visit

www.khilfah.com.pk

similarly th

no one may buy his bread.

it maybe too small ot expenive they may be many issues outside his control. hence he would be unable

Ie we work

But the success of our endevours (sales etc depends on allah

Give exaple of a baker. Goes to market

Reply #: 550 Parvez Pirzada and Reply #: 559

tahmed321

Dear pervez

Your questions are a delight.

In answering your first question, I reassure you that the classical collectors of hadith (indeed the enlightened mujtahids and knowledgeable muslims today. Aknowledge the premise of “chinese whispers”

Hence the compilation fo hadith and of the writing down of quran was conducted upon the mutawatir formula. this formula was that any chain of narration of what was the sunah of mohhamed saws needed to be corroborated by minimun 3 other sahaba who witnessed the incident (of the sunah ) and/or heard what Mohhamed saws said.

only through the transmition of such reports, have been authenticated (ie imagine 3 different chains starting and at the end the last person in each saying the same thing as the first in all three) was the hadith held definative.

it was on this basis that that quran was compiled, and muttawatir hadith (which are collected through corrobarated chains of narration from sahih hadith) form the islamic beleif.

hence anybody who denies (through this definitive method) the authenticity of the quran, and/or the definitve narrations of hadith (ie muttawattir) he falls outside the folds of islam.

as he would deny the rationally definitavely proven sunah of Mohammed saws. which is part of islamic beleif mentioned in numerous ayah of quran 9mentioned by previous reporters on this subject matter).

Further the quran is uniquely in arabic it is impossible to translate as it itself is a miralce. As Allah has challedged ) anyone to acquire assitance from anyone (besides Allah) to make a like copy of the quran its same grammer eloqunce and meaning. Of merely one chapter. If so Allah says then the quran is not from allah.

Many non muslims (including the vatican 500 years ago) have tried throughout the centuries but have failed dismably.

hence it is impossible to translate the quran.

rather you can get a tafsir of the quran , which is the intpretation and implications of the verses of the quran, as elucidated by qulaiifed scholars and muslim scholaristic experts on the quran (muffassir)

some of these intrepretations have been translated in many languages.

whilst yusul ali and marmaduke pickthall are common place.

the most authorative are imam tabara`s tafsir

and ibn kathir ( ibn kathirs tafsir is now available in english too.

for more info read the detailed 3 volume book on the foundations of islamic jurisprudence by taquidine an nabhani called shaksiiya islamia (the islamic personality)

Published by hizb ut tahrir

The website is

www.hizb-ut-tahrir.org

further the website in denmark is

http://www.hizb-ut-tahrir.dk/

Hizb ut-tahrir is a global islamic organisation working to resume islam as a way of life why the re establishment of the khilafah (islamic state).

implemtation of islam. defending of islam and carring it to the world.

KHILAFAH- THE NEED OF THE TIME!

Reply #: 520

fairdinkum

``What are your views about Ameerulmomineen Mooaviyah and Ameer-ul-momineed Yazid RaziAllahTa`la-unham (the fifht & sixth Khalif of Islam respectively)?

Should we look for somebody who resembles Yazid in character to take on the role of khalifah in Pakistan?``

muawiyah was not the fifth khalifah it was imam hussan R.a

nor was yazid the 6th or seventh it was the ashar wa bashr sahaba Abdullah ibn zubair r.a who suceeded muawiya.

as to who and what the khilafah should resmble.

Hizb ut-tahrir seeks to re establish the khilafah based upon the sunah of prophethood, as elucidated in its implemtation during the lifetime of Mohhamed saws, and the ijma of the sahab during the khulafa rashideen.

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Reply #: 630

tahmed321

My answer to your questions is in the eyewitness heading where the issue was first raised. I had further previously informed you of the reasons of my delay in responding early.

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re ahmadb#740

Professor, I am somewhat disappointed too. But it is probably better to postpone this till another board. Frankly, I wasn`t sure what you were getting at. I regret any unnecessary offence given.

In response to sigalph235 (Reply #: 739)
Dear Sigalph235:

I think, we are talking at cross-purposes. I was not comparing organized democracies with organized authoritarian regimes. Your lack of desire to sympathize with what I was trying to suggest (based upon my reading/interpretation of history) leaves no option for me than to suspend this discussion for the time being.

Sincerely, Bilal Ahmad

re ahmadb

``...placing their role within the political, cultural, social, economic historical contexts (focusing upon both internal and external relations) of Iraq, Libya, and the United States.``

You are asking me, sir, to write a thesis which I am in no mood to do. There is an old saying in Urdu that `aqalmand ko isharaa ji kaafi hai`. If you fail to fathom the political, economic and social difference amongst the contexts that the three countries function, I am not going to waste too many words. I have lived in two of those countries for extended peiods of time and I know the difference first hand. If it suits your intellectual satisfaction to find some rough semblance of parity between the mores of Libya, Iraq, and the United States, please feel free to. Those of us who have lived in both worlds know the difference first hand between a system that considers any voice of dissent to be treason and a system that generally ignores most extreme voices. Here is the difference between absolute tyranny and imperfect freedom. America is not perfect by any measure. But in the words of talk show host Ken Hamblin `...find a better country.`

Frankly, I am sick and tired of armchair political scientists criticising everything and anything the United States is and does. Have they ever wondered what the world would be like without a USA? No, that would be asking too much.

In response to sigalph235 (Reply # 737)
Dear Friend:

I was not trying to put Saddam, Gaddafi, and Bush (Sr.) in the same category. I don’t agree with you that my statement was “sweeping all-is-equal statement.” I think, you have overreacted.

Please explain to me the difference between absolute tyranny and imperfect freedom in light of the role of the three leaders, placing their role within the political, cultural, social, economic historical contexts (focusing upon both internal and external relations) of Iraq, Libya, and the United States.

If you really succeed in doing what I have asked to do (a very difficult task), you may appreciate why I wrote what I did.

Sincerely, Bilal Ahmad

re bahmad

Sir,

it is the sweeping all-is-equal statement like your `So, Saddam Hussein, Gaddafi, George Bush, and many more do not short-list to win a place in my intellectually derived list of preferred people. ` that bothers me to no end. We must resist the temptation to put all combatanats in the same category just to feel intellectually calm and sophisticated. When you and others put Saddam, Gaddafi, and President Bush in the same category, it is highly disrespectful of people like us who have known the difference physically between absolute tyranny and imperfect freedom.

In response to sigalph235 (Reply # 734)
Dear Friend:

In our complex world, we often base our views on an inadequate understanding of the “Other.” Goodness and evilness are relative terms and their meanings are often based on our perspectives and our level of information.

I don’t support people and movements that tend to prefer a violent/bloody resolution of any problem. So, Saddam Hussein, Gaddafi, George Bush, and many more do not short-list to win a place in my intellectually derived list of preferred people. Yet, each one of them possess some good and some bad qualities.

Although I don’t support Saddam Hussein’s billion dollar palaces and militarism, a vehement critique of such structures, practices, and policies should initially and preferably develop organically within Iraq’s domestic sphere. And any external critique which is likely to be politically and strategically motived be treated with reasonable caution.

Sincerely, Bilal Ahmad

Ahmedb#724 and Fuzair

I think Sumant`s analysis of the situation is quite accurate. One of the main reasons for the insurgency was denial of democracy several times in Kashmir including suspension of state govt in 1983. Article 356 of Indian Constitution empowers Central Govt to dismiss state govt in the wake of financial emergency, serious internal disturbances or the complete failure of law and order machinery. This provision of constitutio gives a unitary bias to the otherwise federal nature of Indian Constitution. Not only Kashmir, but a number of other state govts were unfairly dismissed using this article by the Center. There is a need for Constitutional reform especially with respect to this article.

However after the insurgency began, Pakistan entered into the picture with her own vested interests to convert what was previously a struggle against Central Govt for more political freedom into a religious war ``jihad``. No wonder Syed Shah Geelani, an APHC member, declared a couple of weeks back that Kashmir liberation movement is not a political struggle but a religious war. Entry of foreign militants like LeT, JeM etc further complicated the issue as ``jihad`` became a full fledged industry for these people. Any stoppage of ``jihad`` is not in the interest of these groups. The aim of these groups is to establish another Talibani regime in Kashmir. Meanwhile Indian military has its own share of blunders. In its struggle against jihadis, a number of innocent people were also killed that further embittered the relations between GoI and Kashmiri people. All this resulted in an impasse that we see today.

Through democracy, people get the right to rule themselves exercising their own free will. Hence the solution lies in restoring the democratic process. IMO, without going into great details, perhaps the only option for a reasonable solution would be:

1. The Govt should hold local body elections followed by State level elections to ensure the participation of people into the democratic process. The political, social, and financial power should be returned back to people through democracy and let the people shape their future.

In this regard, the holding of recent Panchayat elections in Kashmir was a good step.

2. The Army should be completely withdrawn, and th administration should be left in the hands of elected State Govt.

3. Provisions should be made so that Central Govt is no longer able to dismiss State Govt on flimsy grounds, thereby ensuring that the federal nature of Constitution is reaffirmed.

4. Jihadis have to be crushed at any cost. Until this ``jihad`` industry is allowed to flourish , there can be no peace. LoC can be declared a permanent border.

Sincerely