This Visit To Pakistan

Rsuxena #363, `` ...take home either the Norwegian amabassador`s daughter or 40-year-old Mrs.Khopdiwala (if you don`t mind the paunch).``

Ohhh, that must be why India has the highest rate of prostitution in all of the third world countries and the highest incidence of AIDS.

Wow what a paradise!

Send me a ticket, I wanna go to Bombay, dammit.

(I know Karachi`s not a paradise city either, so don`t go misquoting me)

TAhmed 321# 347

Please see Ayah:

9:90, 9:97, 9:98, 9:101, 48:11, 48:16, 49:14

regarding Bedouins.

Adnan 672 #349

Since you did not want to answer those questions because of lack of reference, I will not presss, But they are facts.

The only question you answered was that Jamat-e-Islami joined ministership in Zia`s Cabinet for some sort of democracy.

So tell me why did they resign after seven months. Did they realize after seven months that it is not some sort of democracy?

hamidm and scout:

ur postings truely reveal wht arbakan said

there r no secular ppl. they r just as bigoted in their opinions.

ur hatred for the commands of allah simply shows ur narow minded veiws.

u see u have made opposing allahs commands a complete religion.

be brave enough to declare that u will fight at every step against allahs commands

So long fanatics

adnan

sigalph:

ps: the democracy issue: bhai at least read the posting properly, i was talking abt democracy internally within jamaat, those opposed to an alliance with zia had to follow the verdict of the majority.

btw jamiat launched a campaign against the ban on student unions, speaks volumes for indep. of IJT from Jamaat

Is there another example of this in the student groups in pakistan??

adnan

Dear sigalph:

Some observations on ur posting:

1. Dont u realize ur hatred makes u as much a bigot as any mullah.

2. I do not know abt the statement and of the moulana himself btw. but ill find out. Till then i take ur word and condemn this statement in unequivocal terms. It is indeed a shameful statement IF made by any mamber of jamaat.

3. My friend there r certain limits set forth by Allah. Drinking is expressly forbidden, so either come out in the open and declare that u have chosen to rebel against Allah or is it merely trying to gain attention by shccking?

4. Try to be a true liberal, do not hate ppl. or groups, u may be opposed to them but hatered will get u nowhere.

5. Finally i would like to point out, to other chowksters as well, that the statements abt the rt. wing in Pakistan which many make on chowk simply shows the narrow mindedness and bigoted mentality of the so called secular liberal elements.

adnan

Re: hamidm

``next time you are on the wrong side of wagha, call me, and i will take you to heaven on earth ...... you bring the whiskey``

If you ever make it to the right side of the border, you call me and I will bring all the whiskey and merlot you want. And if you leave the wife and kids home, I will get us into Nineteen Hundreds at the top floor of the Taj Mahal Hotel in Bombay where you can shake your booty to Daler Mehndi and Wu Tang Clan and take home either the Norwegian amabassador`s daughter or 40-year-old Mrs. Khopdiwala (if you don`t mind the paunch). And guess what? It would all be legal and no one will drag you to Mahalaxmi temple for a beating or a conversion.

Of course there are exceptions, but hamidm is kinda right, most of these middle aged ``hijabans`` and confused ABCD ``hijabans`` have discovered God after doing their share of ``sinful`` behavior.

nau sau chuwain khakay billi Haj ko chali

ylh #361, ``Pakistani Professional Women seldom wear the Hijab!``

I agree. Only the ones inspired by their Iranian counterparts.

Rsaxena,

I can assure you that I had never noticed a woman in Hijab untill I came to the US. Kindly reserve your judgements till you see the real deal for yourself. Pakistani Professional Women seldom wear the Hijab!

To The Rest,

I think Hamidm`s comment is misunderstood by most people, he obviously was speaking out against the Maulvi attitude towards professional women!

Yasser Hamdani

Its been a very long time since Chowk people posted anything from the Pakistani Nationalist perspective... Why is there selective screening ..

with either ``Pakistan was a desperate measure, Jinnah, a good man, was wrong and made an error in creation of Pakistan`` view or there is ``Pakistan is wrong, Jinnah is a communal Monster, and we should unite India or have United States of South Asia`` view. Why isnt the view ``Pakistan was our right, sovereignty belongs to the people who want it, and that the principle of self determination allows us the right to our own future`` ever published. Whatever the merits of all three views, we know very well that all three views are held by a great number of people.... and that Indian Nationalist and Pakistani Apologist point of views are not the only two types of views on Chowk.... there is a third view the ``Pakistani Nationalist`` view... when will this repressive denial of identities (in the name of Humanity ?) end? Dont we have the right as human beings to be what we want to be?

For that matter why was my poem ``awaited Messiah`` selected in a yet to be published anthology by a Jewish Arabicist ``Ironic Islam``... was rejected by the chowk staff?... and I wonder why, my article

``Revisionism amongst Pakistanis`` an article which won praise from the likes of Mr Cowasjee... I can quote the email, was rejected as below standard by Chowk people? Clearly there has to be an end to shameless censorship and Pakistani Apologetics!

Pakistan is here, and it is right... for that is why it is here!

Real Humanism is to realize and appreciate a people`s right to their sovereignty... Real humanism is to accept differences!

Long Live Pakistani Nationalism!

Down with ``fake`` Humanism!

Down with Pakistani Apologists!

rsaxena

....... you are an idiot - and i say that affectionately ...... next time you are on the wrong side of wagha, call me, and i will take you to heaven on earth ...... you bring the whiskey and i`ll get phaja to deliver his paye to her elysian boudoir, aka, kotha .....of course, after we are done with all the merriment i will have to hand you over to naqshbandi and urstruly so that they can take you mansoora and try to convert you to the faith, or beat you to death ........

.....and forget this nonsense about hijab-clad moon-faced islamic nuns at the banks; it is not that bad - yet ..........the gals at citibank and askari bank never fail to warm the cockles of my heart ..... i do share your concern that naqshbandi`s brothers in misguided faith are driving our women behind the walls of newly created convents like the one that once housed rafiq tarrar`s equally clueless predecessors ....... and yes, i do see a lot of women starting to drape themselves in bedsheets as a badge of piety and to save themselves from the wrath and lustful stares of the pungent bearded hordes........luckily for us most of these women are the broad-bottomed middle-aged variety who, now that they are past their prime, have discovered god .......

re adnan 672`s

``Why did Jamat-e-Islami supported the Army in its killing and rape of Bengalis.

R u for real. Is this a sane question. The simple answer is THEY DID NOT.``

Have you ever been to Bengal and spent some time there talking to the average folks? Everybody worth his/her salt knows how deep the Jamaat`s involvement was, political and later physical, in suporting the Pakistan Army`s ethnic cleansing. In a speech during the 1996 parliamentary elections Jamaat leader (and now MP) Maulana Delawar Hossain Sayeedi claimed that a lot of the women who were violated by the Pakistani soldiers could take comfort in the fact that it would be considered a matter of mut`a marriage in the defence of the Islamic homeland against Hindus (somebody later pointed out to the maulana that this concept of `temporary marriage` is a Shiite thing but he didn`t retract his filthy statement anyway). The simple fact remains that everybody who thinks and knows (obviously this rules out the assorted bigot class of JI, JUI, JUP etc) knows the fifth column role of Jamaat-e-naIslami during the War of Independence.

You joining Zia`s cabinet was an act of democratic participation? Yeah, only a Jamaati can convolute the facts so much.

Frankly all of you pseudo-mullah wannabees should relax your mind and have a drink or two. That might let your minds and souls regenerate the precious brain-cells lost under the whip of the mullah nonsense.

I wouldnt have crossed this limit had Naqshbandi not repeatedly used that word. I have the greatest respect for every mother, sister and daughter...

How about Asif Naqshbandi apologizes for his slave comment, which he has made repeatedly, and I will

apologize!

Laton kay bhoot baton say nahin mante!

Re : Hamidm

``should i be writing this note in arabic ? asthagfirullah ! ........ this is the kind of nonsense that will drive a man to drink and blow up giant buddhas ........... ``

This was priceless. ROTFL.

Thanks for cheerinmg us up on this cold, dark, grey morning inn California.

Hamid Sahib, it really is about time that yoiu come out of the closet and take full responsibiliy for your guffaws coded small pieces, by writing a full article, in the same tone, and with lots of dots in it. I tell you, you will be the biggest thing on Chowk, next to ginat buddha smashing Talibans.

Best Regards

Asim

Re: hamidm

``...but that still doesn`t take away from the fact that heera mandi is a far better place than GP road``

Fine, i haven`t been to either so i`ll take your word for it.

``.... our professional women, or whores as they are called in less sophisticated circles, are better than yours``

I don`t think so. Running around at an Islamic bank in a hijab chanting ``khuda hafiz`` at every customer doesn`t say much about professional Pakistani women.