This Visit To Pakistan

ylh #330 I see what Zahra and ahmedb are complaining about. You only lower yourself when you make such remarks, not the person you are attacking. I appreciate many of your views (not all). But there can be no room for discussion when you make disgusting personal attacks like this.

Omarphoenix #3hundred something: ``Let`s keep Urdu and Arabic exclusive. It would be paying the language respect by using the correct pronunciations, spellings etc etc; so If I speak Urdu, then I say Mazhab, and if Arabic, then Madhab.``

Paying a language respect? How do you pay a language respect? Agreed on the substance though: As I said earlier, you can tell when something is fake, and when someone pronounces Z as D (presumably to please Allah), then he is a fake.

``Learning of the two languages should be made free to the public, i.e. there should be centres that exclusively teach the two languages.``

There is no free lunch. Who will pay for the centers? What you need is a broad-based education program that is strategically defined to address some real issues and certainly English - the de facto international language today - should be promoted. Interesting how nationalists in the third world as well as in the first world (in countries like France etc.) tried to fight of English for years, but natural and economic and technological trends are the real determinants in such things.

krashid #341 Agreed except about the bedoins: I dont think it is fair to put down any people since there are good and bad people in every group. I can understand your frustration though at the awe with which Arabs and Arabic is treated by mullahs: when I was a student, I once saw a Jammaati fellow respectfully listening and saying ``Ameen, Ameen`` while two Palestinians were chatting in Arabic - knowing those to Palestinians, they were probably chatting about how to get the girls` attention (an eternal problem with these fellows).

re ylh 330

Yasser, I join others in disapproving the language used in your retort to Asif Naqshbandi. Such words are inappropriate for a future Prime Minister of Pakistan. Remember the Maulanas called the Quaid ``Kafir-e-Azam`` but Mr Jinnah never stooped to those depths of depravity in return.

There is no greater insult to me, then someone calling me a slave... and I will respond in the most proposterous statements... if anyone has the audacity to say something like that.

RE: YLH # 330

ylh, the probablity that you conceived Asif is the same as the probability of you conceiving yourself.

This is known as recursion in computer science.

krashid:

1. Do u reserve the rt to use any tone u want?



2. Again u have made the fatal error in ur questions, it called ``begging the question``, u posed some rhetorical questions, that is NOT the way to argue.

As for the answers here goes (although this manner of questioning deserves no answer) but with bigots like u wht else can one expect.

Do you believe Yahya Khan was Mardi Momin. If .....

They did not, pl. give a reference, besides one that traces all roots of knowledge to urself.

The same question about Zia-ul-Haq.

Reference again, jamaats offical history is ``Rodaad e Jamaat e Islami`` pl. quoite from an authentic source



Why did Jamat-e-Islami supported the Army in its killing and rape of Bengalis.

R u for real. Is this a sane question. The simple answer is THEY DID NOT.

Why did Jamat-e-Islami accepted ministership in Zia-ul-Haque regime?

Because Jamaat has accepted politics as a legitimate way of implementing her ideas. Personally I and many other Jamaat workers were and r against this but u have to let democracy rule within the party and without.

My friend krashid, u see as i mentioned ur seething hatred leaves u no better a person than SSP and TJP followers.

This also proves my point that there is nothing such as a liberal person. We r all bigots in our own beleifs and ideas.

The right is better than the left in Pakistan cos at least we try to listen to the other side, we may disagree but we do not start cursing when we have no point to make.

Some advice, if u r really sincere in ur criticism pl. give some mature pts. of opp. Jamaats tht and path is there in its literature. Pl. read it with an open mind. And again these were simply very personlized views u exp.

adnan

hamidm #320,

now that was funny...

khuda hafiz rules!

ylh #330, ``.As for my honor, I lost it when I slept with your mother, and conceived you!``

Even if you don`t agree with Asif, or are angry with him, I believe you should apologize for that post.

Let`s keep our respect for mothers and fathers intact. You should have just called him an idiot and moved on.

krashid #340

The last line should read.

Aaj Kal Allah Mian Ka Arab Nationalism Urooj Pur Hai. Earthquake Bhi Non-Arab Pur Nazil Kar Raha Hai.

Yasser,

[Asif Naqshbandi, I asked you not to call anyone my masters.......]

I just logged on to write my thoughts on Humza Yousaf, when I came across your post. I often write on other forums as well when I am in the mood. But I like Chowk, for its interactions - as they reveal a lot. The revelation process involves many steps - people argue, listen, agree, disagree, confront, convince, relate, and narrate to exchange views in a sensible manner. This effort also proves to be a learning experience. You also get to hear your own people whom you won’t have heard otherwise.

Personally, I am shocked and disgusted to read your post! Apparently, it was written in Josh than in Hosh. Whatever. It was in a very poor taste! You may be on a crusade to have everyone agree with you, but I am sorry you`ll be very disappointed if you think that will ALWAYS happen. In short, by writing derogatory comments you will NEVER EVER attract anyone as your follower or a comrade, Yasser.

I thought you believed in liberalism/secularism? I also thought liberals/seculars held more tolerance than the [rigid] fanatics or sweet fundamentalists. In reality, that`s not true! Liberalism/Secularism, does not let fear of God kick in? Or does it?

Very Disappointed!




Asif Naqshbandi,

I’ll certainly write my question and your hero, Humza Yousaf`s answer. I wanted to ask you: What do the religious authorities say on calling a person with a name[in this case, ``your masters``] that is not acceptable to him? And also, if that person has repeatedly raised his voice that he stands by his views and is not a puppet?

Thanks.

In response to ylh (Reply # 330)

I am ashamed to read Yasser`s response to Asif Naqshbandi.

Sadly yours, Bilal Ahmad

TAhmed 321 #317

Not only that the Quran is in Arabic, but also the reason is given in Quran i.e. All the prophets have been sent to their nation in their own language.

Does it make sense that the other languages in which ``Wahi`` came were less Godly.

Not only that according to the history, upto the time of Hazrat Usman people used to recite Quran acording to their own dialect and wording. And it was thought that with time original message will be lost or corrupted and that was the reason of having collection of Quran in its original form. So recitation of Koran in other dialects and ways were allowed upto the time of Hazrat Usman.

As far as Arab BEDOUINS are concerned, they have been mentioned in Koran as bad people.

Siagalph237 #237

On your response to Naqsbandi of asking in Arabic after death.

It looks like that according to ylh assertion Prophet PBUH was Arab Nationalist (I have very different opinion) but even God is Arab Nationalist sending his angels to talk in Arabic. And anyone not knowing Arabic will not pass the TEST of ``Akhara``

Not only that if you realize that God has given Oil wealth to mainly Arab nation my belief strengthens further that HE is Arab Nationalist.

Hai Raam Ub Kia Ho Ga.

Arab Mullah--Arab Allah Ittihad Yahudiun Aur Kuffar Ke Liye Maut Ka Pegham Hai.

Aaj Kul Allah Mian Ka Arab Nationalism Urooj Pur Hai. Earthquake Bhi Kuffar Pur Nazil Kur Raha Hai.

Dear Urstruly, Yasser, TAhmad, Asif, Hamidm and everyone else,

Let`s keep Urdu and Arabic exclusive. It would be paying the language respect by using the correct pronunciations, spellings etc etc; so If I speak Urdu, then I say Mazhab, and if Arabic, then Madhab.

For what it`s worth, Arabic should be either made compulsory or promoted for the Muslim only so that we may read the Quran as a book as opposed to the usual heirogliphics that one reads on a dusswaan, chaaliswaan (in my opinion a complete disrespect to the language and a useless abhorant tradition). Meaninga of the words are lost when you translate a language (and this has nothing to do with Islam being timeless etc etc). English should also be made compulsory or promoted as it`s the language of science.

Learning of the two languages should be made free to the public, i.e. there should be centres that exclusively teach the two languages.

If possible, the cause could be promoted by more NGOs, charities or even educated people participating in these activities. (I`m refraining from mentioning Urdu becayuse it`s our national language).

I`m ready for the backlash.

Allah di spurd.

Umer Murtaza Phoenix.

..so the query was directed only to those like Asif #263