This Visit To Pakistan

Tahmed:

(a) Ow!!
(b) Ouch!!
(c) No-o-o. Please, nooooo!!
(d) Silence (The horse just got beaten to death)
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In short, you`re fully convinced!

Glad to be of assistance :-)

Take Care

Re: FARANGI_KUSH # 49 and tahmed # 63

{``These Ba Ba Blacksheep are bleating at a higher pitch because they can feel the presence of the sniffing lions nearby.``}

Did you hear about the new anti terrorism law in Britain?

The darhi wala bakras in Montreal, London and Detroit are the ones bleating louder, Farangi Kush ji. They feel the heat of the Tomahawk on their Islamist behinds I am sure.

Can`t have it both ways sir. Living in the West while hating it and sending monies to terrorist maulanas for raising lashkars to destroy it! Such duplicity will no longer be tolerated.

{``It won`t be long.``}

Yessir, won`t be long now. Say good-bye to Ethel and other Jewish friends. You will soon be breaking bread with Omar and Osama in Afghanistan and will have Islamic (opium) farming instead of Islamic Banking as your vocation.

tahmed # 63

The bearded Islamist sphincter is twitching in anticipation as the Tomahawk closes in. Cheney and Powell are no ``commie liberals`` like Bill and Hillary and I see some serious Islamist butt thrashing in the next four years.

temporal

``Name one nation-wide institution that is intact, not aligned, maligned or tainted in Pakistan.``

..... what kind of silly question is that ? didn`t god himself promise to protect the only institution that really matters ? ... and didn`t he build a branch in mansoora and another in raiwind and one in the faisal masjid and another in jinnah-super overlooking the boutiques - those licentious and torrid dens of vice ?

......... all other institutes and institutions are man-made and therefore trivial and frivolous

.... farangi-kush and asif naqshbandi, tell this glosso-grapher literati not to bother us with rhetorical questions .... we don`t need no institution - we have our faith and ptv-4 and sacred rocks for watwani and that`s all we need ... so there !

P.S. the only other istitution which, i hope, is still intact, is that wonderful bazaar in the shadow of badshahi masijid where the faithful can get a preview of the promised houris as they chow down on manna from phaja ...... life was good in pakistan before islam was discovered in 1974 ....

Farangi_Kush,

{{If the farangis love to curse their father,mother,or prophets in public then it is their ``civilisation``.It is not progress,it is a sign of their impending collapse.}}

Its obvious you live in a different galaxy far far away... If you ever bump into Yoda, tell him earth says ``hey``.

Asif,

{{i`m saying is that yes the regimes and those with power, esp. political, ARE besharam but the majority of the masses are NOT. THEY DO bleed for muslims all over the world and would like to change things if they could but they are at the moment powerless.}}

Since you know more about these countries, I`m not in a position to dispute your facts. However, my perception is different. The people & govts in those countries have vocally expressed their anger at Israel. Anti-US & anti-Israel anger is OPENLY shown by those precious ``masses``. I have seen the US & Israeli flags burnt several times in those countries. The only time I`ve seen the Indian flag ever being burnt is by Pakistanis in Pakistan & by Pakistani & Kashmiri expatriots.

Are you trying to tell me if the Arab & Iranian citizens demonstrate in front of the Indian embassy, their govts will arrest them?!! I`m sure you`ve been amply informed by your govt how horrible the hindus are massacring & raping Kashmiri muslims for atleast 10+ (if not 50+) years. Havent the Kashmiris suffered more brutally than the Palestinians? as per your govt? Where is the outpouring of grief and anger by those ``silent`` masses? Why did they invite Jaswant & presented India magnificent Arab horses? Could`nt some of those ``masses`` of concience at least demonstrated about hindu genocide at that function?

Are you suggesting that the Arab govts are not taking an openly anti-India/pro-Pakistan stance because of US pressure?!! What kind of twisted logic is that?! Relations between India & US have always been chilly, with some thaw these last 2 years. US has always tilted towards Pakistan. If the Arab govts outrightly support Pakistan against India, it would take some heat away from their support of the Israelis. US & India`s interests have often been at loggerheads. What about Iranians? why havent they demonstrated against India? they frequently demonstrate against Israel. Please dont tell me that Iran is under Western pressure too. Also, please dont tell me that the Persians are Shias; therefore not REAL muslims.

There is only ONE reason why the rest of the Islamic world is silent. They dont believe Pakistani propaganda ONE BIT. Not that they believe India. I think they either dont care or they think both countries are equal villans in this madness. If someone has an alternate explanation, I`m all ears.

URstuly,

Instead of commenting on my writing skills, at least have the guts to answer my questions in post?58. Whats the matter, cat got your courageous tongue?

I wonder why you think I havent taken sides. As far as I`m concerned, BOTH India & Pakistan are villans in Kashmir.

shankar #87

You`ve got to realize that the likes of F_K will be wont to compare the dirtiest linen of the West with the cleanest of the the glorious East (even using gross anachronisms and mass nostalgia to this end). This might be the only way for them to garner some long lost `self` respect. Show some empathy, will ya? You da shrink, are you not? :)

But it`s interesting to note that F_K and Urstruly subscribe so easiily to the ``my enemy`s enemy Must be not just my friend, but a better choice`` kind of (non)thinking.

Hello friends:

Ref. Asim Hyat # 45 & 48.

To be reading challenged is no reason for shame. I didn`t quite follow your #45 i.e., whether you were talking about Tahir-ul-Qadri [Ameer/President/Khalifa/Leader] of the Minhaaj-ul-Quran, or dr. Aneequa!

There used to be a ``Peter Principle`` before ``Murphy`s Law`` came to ascendancy. It is a rare delight to see two theories being validated in one day! Thank you AH. But stick to your town crier [#48] vocation. Enjoy life!

The ID Umairr seems to not be working, so a change in identity:

Interesting happenings. Haven`t seen this kind of action in Pakistan for a while:

``Crackdown on SSP continues in Punjab

By our correspondents

JHANG: The crackdown on Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP) leaders and activists continues in various parts of Punjab. In Jhang, its main leader Maulana Azam Tariq was taken into custody on Friday night and more arrests continued till late at night.

Maulana Azam Tariq was first shifted to district jail and then to some unknown place. Jhang police moved swiftly after the arrest of Azam Tariq and rounded up scores of SSP activists.

The raids to nab those who have gone underground were being conducted in various parts of the city. However, senior police officials were reluctant to divulge any information in this regard. Some police sources said that Maulana Azam Tariq was arrested after a shift in the government`s policy in connection with sectarian and Jihadi groups....

The arrest of Maulana Azim Tariq and mass-scale arrests of SSP activists triggered no protests. Jhang remained peaceful. Sub-Divisional Magistrate Jhang has, however imposed Section 144, banning playing cassettes of sectarian leaders, displaying objectionable posters, use of loud speakers and assembly of more than five people.

In Sheikhupura district 20 SSP activists were arrested during the last 24 hours. When police raided the residence of Rana Ayub, the city president, his family told them that he had gone to South Africa, while district president Abdul Ghaffar Qasmi along with his two gunmen had already gone underground.

In Okara district 20 SSP activists were taken into custody, while some activists have gone underground. In Toba Tek Singh, the district police arrested 10 SSP leaders on Friday night. They included SSP Punjab Students Wing President Maulana Abdul Hannan Farooq. They have been detained for one month on the orders of the district magistrate under Section 3 of MPO and shifted to Jhang district jail.

In all the four districts of Sargodha division, Sargodha, Khushab Mianwali and Bhakkar, around two dozen SSP office-bearers and workers were arrested. In Bahawalpur, police arrested four SSP activists. (The News, Pakistan)

Re : Sheesh Naag and cHello friends:

``To be reading challenged is no reason for shame.``

If only you would apply the advice you dispense to others to yourself,

``I didn`t quite follow your #45 i.e., whether you were talking about Tahir-ul-Qadri [Ameer/President/Khalifa/Leader] of the Minhaaj-ul-Quran, or dr. Aneequa!``

Please see me reply above. It was quite clearly mentioned that the response i had posted here was given to Tahir-Ul-Qadri, in another article, where he had accused people of the same things a dr aneequa had done. If you are that challenged to follow a simple argumnet, I have little hope of your aspiring to comprehend the #48.

``There used to be a ``Peter Principle`` before ``Murphy`s Law`` came to ascendancy. It is a rare delight to see two theories being validated in one day! Thank you AH. But stick to your town crier [#48] vocation. Enjoy life!``

Obscurantism is the domain of the feebleminded and the devious. The above is a rare example of both these attributes.

I do enjoy life to its fullest. Its about time you started to see what life is all about. If you have trouble comprehending my quite unambiguous writings, please feel free to ask again, so that i may elaborate. But if your soul purpsoe is denigration and adhominem, may i request you to stay away from myself. I am not that big a philanthropist to take pity at every Tom dick and harry that i meet on the net.

Sincerely,

Asim

Urstruly #73 or 74

I asked you questions, which you tried to do the same as one of your mate did meaning Adnan 672.

Go read this book that book etc.Man present your arguments.

1- Pakistani people have been killed and jailed and tortured in the name of Islam and Pakistan for asking and struggling for their rights. What was the reason of killing, rape and murder of Bengalis in 1970-71. What was the reason that Bengalis were ruled from West Pakistan from 1947 to 1971? (Give your logic after reading those books and don`t be Mabel of Patras Bukhari).

2- What was the reason of denying Baluchistan and NWFP their elected leaders and killing of Baluchis in 1973. Don`t tell me Bhutto b.s.. It was Army`s decision?

3- What was the reason of massacre of Sindhis in 1980 or so in Zia`s regime?

4- What was the reason of operation clean up against MQM and denying their rights to form their Governement later? Don`t tell me Nawaz Sharif B.s. It was Army`s decision both during NS and BB regime.

And everything was done to protect Islam and Pakistan.

As far as Islamist are concerned. Contrary to your thinking they are never happy with will of people and people`s decision. And have sided and colluded with people performing these crimes and supported these at that moment, giving it Islamic legimitacy.

Whether it is in Bengal, or Baluchistan or Sind or MQM.

2- I asked you whose responsibility is Afghan people? Their Government. Instead of improving the condition of their people, they are fighting their own people in the name of Islam. And instead of alleviating poverty, educating their people and provide them a better living condition, they are jailing them for not keeping beard and shaving their head for wearing shorts?

Farangi Kush Bhai# Mujhe Ba Ba Black Sheep Bilkul Yaad Nahin. And I fully agree with you regarding the fear of West of Islam. But let me assure you West will have to do nothing to get rid of this fear. We are enough for it. I have not yet understood your philosophy after reading your multiple post except that being friends of English speaking people is Ain Islam as long as they don`t belong to your country. Identity of Muslim is verses of Ghalib, Faiz, Iqbal and Meer.

Western educated should develop an indigenous philosophy and outlook instead of parroting West.

But when someone tries to do that he is already Ba Ba Blacksheep.

Have you ever heard of a word ``Ghan Chakkur``. Let me know the meaning. Don`t tell me to read your post to find its meaning.

Krashid

I dont think that you have asked me any questions in this post or any other post. You are TELLING me; and not asking me. So my answer is: Thank you very much, I have been told.

Shanker: The above goes for you too.

Urstruly,

#95

Youre welcome! Truth hurts, dont it? Live long & prosper with your mindset. If your precious ``conservative`` mindset prevails in Pakistan, I pity its citizens. People like you will make Pakistan totally isolated from the rest of the world & she will be another pathetic Burma or Afghanistan.

With your paranoid hatred of anything Indian, esp hindu or the West, Fortress Pakistan with rot & decay from within. By the time guys like you are finished with her, she will be so rotten that even we hindu vultures wont want to pick on its remains.

Coming to Chowk, I`ve met many Pakistani liberals who`ve won my respect. I`ll believe them & bank on the fact that the majority of Pakistanis (at least the educated ones) are those besharam liberals. They are Pakistan`s last hope. Even if they have genuine (& sometimes irreconcilable) differences with India, they are willing to get past our mutual differences to build a better subcontinent. Too bad their voices are not heard loud enough.

With all the noise you conservatives make these days, Pakistan is fast becoming the laughing stock of the world. Alone & increasingly isolated in the world, Pakistan is losing credibility--- even in the rest of the Islamic world.

My questions to you were not all rhetorical. Your inability to answer them is proof enough of your stupidity. At least answet this one: why the HELL are you living in the West?

Shankar

Your ``droning wails and messages of doom and gloom`` are nothing new to us either. We have been hearing them since the day Pakistan was born. Unlike liberals we know that it is not just rhetoric, you mean every word of it. Your naked aggression on East pakistan and its succession is a living proof of your intentions for a ``peaceful`` subcontinenet. And why wouldnt you love our liberals, they speak your language-dont they? They facilitate your work of destruction in Pakistan-dont they? Yeah they are working hard for your version of ``peaceful`` subcontinent, so keep loving them. You do your job and we do ours.

Please read first 35 posts that are in support of Mr. Gardezi (by liberals) and try to figure out yourself why we (him and me ) are living in West. And let me know.

Hassan,

It is all too easy to come `home` and criticise above all the fog and go back depressed. Read the following article from dawn befor your next vivit to pakistan and befor your next article. I look forward to Qartaba as the capital of pakistan, may be I will accept the invitation from ylh after that. I liked your article for telling some truths, info about the demands by the jihadists, and as can be expected, has upset a few, who can see only the name dropping.

The role of intelligentsia

I refer to the letter of A.H. Maker dated Feb 19 on the on-going debate focussing on the theme of `Going Away`. I wish to add my point of view:

There are a lot of literate Pakistanis, whether living abroad or within the country, who have a strong desire to take on a proactive role in the development of Pakistan because they think it is their duty. However, their desire is not succeeding. It gets frustrated singularly because of the lack of will on their part to take the course of change into their own hands.

Their will is now gradually dissolving because of the onslaught of manic depression which is being caused by the dispiriting message that the intelligentsia of this country almost daily feed them. One has to endure just a day`s exposure to the media, whether it be print or electronic, to gauge the intensity and horror of its happening.

As the letter very graphically shows our intelligentsia is bent on further weakening all hopes that we people still cherish. Through print media they are playing a sweeping role in generating feeling of great unhappiness and despair amongst us. They ostracize all and spare no one.

The infusion of despair is now reaching pandemic proportion. Because of this, by some obscure process of irreversible osmosis the outlook of educated people towards Pakistan is gradually changing. It is all adding desolation to we people.

The custom of instigating and proliferating despair and unhappiness is now institutionalized especially in the print media and is slowly becoming an established part of their operations. This is leading to the gradual erosion of our cultural and social system.

It is acting as a catalyst in fast converting people into escapists. They now avoid tackling their own problems in the ordinary life and ostracize social and cultural systems. It is perhaps not improper to ascribe or partly associate the brain drain or the inertia or inhibition of overseas Pakistanis to the picture of impending doom that is forced onto their minds by our very intelligentsia.

The educated people can still make the difference. What they singularly need is healthy impetus from the intelligentsia that can propel them towards breaking the inertia and start thinking to take the course of change into their own hands. We desperately need people who can spread out the reassuring message to hold out hope and that in the end, we will triumph.

MEHMOOD AZIZ NAVIWALA

Karachi

URstruly,

I took your advice & scanned a couple of the first 35 posts that were written by Pakistanis. Since you & I dont operate on the same frequency, please be a little patient with me. If I dont understand you, you can insult me all you want--but please have the courtesy of giving me a straight answer. Hey, if I`m wrong, I`ll admit I`m wrong. After all, I`ve been wrong before. One glaring example was that I used to respect you at one time--before you showed your true colors. Neither of us are going to win or lose an argument here.

So here are a few questions

1) Are people like temporal, the 2 ahmeds, godot, krashid etc besharam liberals?

2) Why are the other Islamic nations so reluctant to take an outright anti-Indian/pro-Pakistan stance?

3) I can understand why liberals live abroad. Pakistan is becoming increasingly ``conservative``. I DONT understand why people like you & F_K live in the West? Are you guys like Khomeni living in besharam Paris, waiting to enter Islamabad in triumph when the real revolution takes place?

I`ll just confine myself to these three questions, for now. I was debating whether to include question #3 or not. I`ve asked this question several times to F_K. He is an expert in evasion. I`m hoping youre not as besharam as he is & give me a straight answer.