unflinching idealism ... since 1997 archivessitemapabouthelpfeedback
ideas, identities and interactions
  • Home
  • InFocus
  • Themes
  • Columns
  • Articles
  • Fiction
  • iLogs
  • Gallery
  • Unplugged
  • Writers
  • Interactors
  • Tags
Sign in | Join Chowk
web chowk
  • Article
  • Interact
  • read writer comments
  • add to favorites
  • get rss feeds
  • print
  • email this link

The Damned And The Damnable

Samina Wahid February 23, 2001

Latest comments   flat   threaded   latest   oldest   all
listing 16-32   1 2 3

#30 Posted by Studebaker on February 25, 2001 1:09:32 am
=== Interact Filtered ===
view this users filtered interacts
reply to this interact write a new interact add to favorites flag objectionable content
#29 Posted by Urstruly on February 24, 2001 11:07:02 pm
Could someone please tell me what Ayn Rand has to do with this article?

Accusers of frogery: What is your basis of accusation?



reply to this interact write a new interact add to favorites flag objectionable content
#28 Posted by Kiran- on February 24, 2001 10:25:42 pm
Re: Aristotle

Next time you want to hurt someone, why don`t you go and bang your head against a wall. And if that doesn`t help, try doing it while you are running REALLY FAST!

Samina, ignore Aristotle`s comments for the only ``garbage`` around here, is the one spewing out of his mouth. Once again: You did a wonderful job!

K!



reply to this interact write a new interact add to favorites flag objectionable content
#27 Posted by Aristotle on February 24, 2001 10:25:42 pm
Re: Asim Hayat

For whatever you think Aristotle stood for I can assure you it wasn`t exactly Ayn rands objectivity...... for further info please read Aristotle`s ``On Politics`` and ``On Economics`` and then read ayn rands ``Capitalism: the unknown ideal``........ You will see that its not just a nuance but the difference is as bright as daylight.......

as far as intellectual dwarfism is concerned, Please save that crap for someone else. Why some ideas that are indigenous to west and are even refuted by the westerners are so readily accepted by some south asians is a concept that escapes my understanding. But I do know this that that is the cause for your problem of intellectual dwarfism. Work on it.

Aristotle



reply to this interact write a new interact add to favorites flag objectionable content
#26 Posted by Kiran- on February 24, 2001 10:25:42 pm
Re: Aristotle

Next time you want to hurt someone, why don`t you go and bang your head against a wall. And if that doesn`t help, try doing it while you are running REALLY FAST!

Samina, ignore Aristotle`s comments for the only ``garbage`` around here, is the one spewing out of his mouth. Once again: You did a wonderful job!

K!



reply to this interact write a new interact add to favorites flag objectionable content
#25 Posted by sharayar on February 24, 2001 10:25:42 pm
asim hayat#23

read it again..i must say again:)

forgery...nothing else..

and its a trait of chowk interactors...either they fight and bring india-pak debate even if out of context....or they start praising crappy material....



reply to this interact write a new interact add to favorites flag objectionable content
#24 Posted by Asim on February 24, 2001 7:07:00 pm
Re: Aristotle

Its the easiest thing to do;critique for the sake of critique. I would have thought, you, i.e. Aristotle of all the people would have known that.

Shame we all aspire to be great names, not knowing what they stood for in their wisdom, and their outlook. Intellectual Dwarfism is a congenital disease of us south asians.

Adaab,

Asim



reply to this interact write a new interact add to favorites flag objectionable content
#23 Posted by Aristotle on February 24, 2001 4:43:03 pm
NO really people this article is GARBAGE...... and its no surprise that the most cynical and contemptous of all are the followers of Ayn Rands theory of objectivism...... oh yes because you have to look down on everyone to feel you are up on the sky......... Really people...... Bravo to this article for atleast making that point clear........ instead of Ayn rand you should read Iqbal and his theory of ``khudi`` ........... the explaination of ``I`` and the strength of an ``individuall`` and how he can be productive to the society........... read the life of Jinnah see how individuall strive and masses follow.....

Aside from you philosophy your style of narration is not very becoming either...... you didnt build the character properly....... he seems more like a lunatic than a sane pessimist to whom atleast I might have been able to relate that is when my emotions would be at the lowest ebb....... oh and one more thing it really lacks originality...... for all the afore mentioned reasons your article deserves a thumbs down...... hope you do a good job next time......

Aristotle



reply to this interact write a new interact add to favorites flag objectionable content
#22 Posted by hamidm on February 24, 2001 2:55:01 pm
samina

........i hate to disappoint you, but all you can hope for is that in twenty years you will go from being angry to cynical - unless, of course, you take krashid`s advice and join the tafseer circuit ...... my generation tried the che posters and mazdoor-kissan party conventions and miraj muhammad khan and study cirles with professor sahib in his tiny bhaitak in purani anarkali and pot and mandies and those little blue pills and goethe and rousseau and psychedelic music ...........

......... on second thought - listen to krashid, or you might end up a blabbering idiot like me ..........



reply to this interact write a new interact add to favorites flag objectionable content
#21 Posted by sharayar on February 24, 2001 2:55:01 pm
Sorry people, after reading it again....

It`s Nothing but pretentious and ostentatious forgery......wonder why can`t you see through the charade.......

It`s all so glaringly made up!





reply to this interact write a new interact add to favorites flag objectionable content
#20 Posted by Omarphoenix on February 24, 2001 9:48:32 am
Hi Samina,

Read the work, loved it, partially because I could hear myself in it. I could really feel a sense of frustration. Everyone accept myself were mugged (though not at gun point), so I cannot fully empathise with you but am very close to it.

Loved the descriptions e.g. ``My head throbs with pain, bursting at the seams, threatening to explode just like an overripe tomato that meets an eventful end as it splatters onto the ground.``

Just one thing; dedicate a special place in your brain for your failures, fears and miseries and cherish that part of your being. If you have a strong will to survive, this part will become your treasure, provided of course, you can tap into this reservoir and transduce it into something positive.

Ride the waves, do not drown in them ļ

One day, Samina, I`m gonna write with you; then again, you`ll be famous and I`ll be just another soft cog in society`s steel cold machine.

From another frustrated pissed off individual in his 22s.

Take care and best wishes

Omar Phoenix



reply to this interact write a new interact add to favorites flag objectionable content
#19 Posted by jay on February 24, 2001 9:48:32 am
Shamina,

Dont waste your time and more importantly energy in writing to chowk, as some one said, to deliver raw emotions, the subcon hatred over the internet. Join Atlaf Hussain, create a future. What is needed is not an interpretation of the present, nor rage against it, but the energy to change it. Try a new path.

regards

jay



reply to this interact write a new interact add to favorites flag objectionable content
#18 Posted by Ronin on February 24, 2001 9:48:32 am
Samina -

Powerfully written article - You showed the vulnerability and anger that results when an illusion is shattered. The struggle to control chaos, to find meaning in madness so the mind can understand. It`s refreshing to read an article with emotion expressed clearly, and anger is the most expressive emotion of all. Faithful be damned indeed. Stay cynical for now - time will take care of all.

On a side note - I like ice cream and oreos too, but never developed much respect for Ayn Rand. Found too much pseudo-philosophy and pseudo-intellectualism for my taste. I might take another look.

Keep writing.



reply to this interact write a new interact add to favorites flag objectionable content
#17 Posted by sac on February 24, 2001 12:22:05 am
Samina:

Anyone who loves Ayn Rand deserves oreos and ice-cream.....lots of it :)

Welcome.

later

-sac



reply to this interact write a new interact add to favorites flag objectionable content
#16 Posted by krashid on February 24, 2001 12:22:05 am
Samina Wahid#

A very good read.

Why don`t you turn to Islam. It will cure all evils as it has done for last fourteen hundred years.

And these commies and liberals who are in police and law enforcement agencies should be shot dead.

Governemnt should be hailed in its endeavour for the betterment of its own lot.

And you are not people but scum fit for a Islamic Danda.

Have you researhed history of those criminals. They may have come due to their needs and their need might be more than yours. At least that is Islamic spirit reached to us through stories.

Similar sentiments were expressed by my mother when I told her about my going to Pakistan. She mentined three incidences of gun point robbery in my lane in one month.

Your writing took me back again to memories of the vibrant city which feeds poor to billionaire equally well and where people used to laugh and smile in bad times.



reply to this interact write a new interact add to favorites flag objectionable content
#15 Posted by Studebaker on February 24, 2001 12:22:05 am
=== Interact Filtered ===
view this users filtered interacts
reply to this interact write a new interact add to favorites flag objectionable content
listing 16-32   1 2 3

Interact Index

    #46 Seemi
    #45 LadyAna
    #44 bhidep
    #43 scout
    #42 sadna
    #41 sac
    #40 anNy
    #39 Studebaker
    #38 Aristotle
    #37 sac
    #36 scout
    #35 Urstruly
    #34 sharayar
    #33 Tidbit
    #32 taimurmalik
    #31 CarboLoad
    #30 Studebaker
    #29 Urstruly
    #28 Kiran-
    #27 Aristotle
    #26 Kiran-
    #25 sharayar
    #24 Asim
    #23 Aristotle
    #22 hamidm
    #21 sharayar
    #20 Omarphoenix
    #19 jay
    #18 Ronin
    #17 sac
    #16 krashid
    #15 Studebaker
    #14 FarzanaVersey
    #13 SaadPAslam
    #12 Godot
    #11 Aristotle
    #10 Ras Siddiqui
    #9 temporal
    #8 Urstruly
    #7 jasmin
    #6 achtung
    #5 sharayar
    #4 oniazi
    #3 ShirinAhmed
    #2 Kiran-
    #1 Kiran-

Also by Samina Wahid

  • Fat-Free!
  • Frost Bite
  • Thirty-Eight
more »

Similar Articles

  • Resisting Subjugation Ikramul Haq
  • Where Billions Vanish Pervez Hoodbhoy
  • Corruption and Freedom of Press in Pakistan Shayan Manzar
  • An Alternative Approach to International Development Thorsteinn Gestsson
  • The Recluse Anand Mahajan
more »

US Elections 2008 Primaries

  • Hillary Clinton a Better Presidential Candidate
  • Leaders, Heroes and Mountains
  • Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and New American Dreams
  • Pakistan Elections 2008 - An analysis
  • Political Issues Ahead of Pakistan Elections
more »
get rss feed Get Chowk RSS Feed

Get Chowk Newsletter

Latest Interacts

  • Shah2: We gave you one... An Indian Muslim
  • nkg: Re: # 202 Parde... If some... An Indian Muslim
  • nkg: Re: # 178 zeena(h)... "Both India... An Indian Muslim
  • Eklavya: Pardesi and salimbro Ms Dawa... An Indian Muslim
  • nkg: live as nuicense creator... An Indian Muslim
  • nkg: Re: # 197 beduin32... ....or leave... An Indian Muslim
  • Pardesi: #150 Salim I dont think... An Indian Muslim
  • tahmed32: #200 you can "bear... An Indian Muslim

THEMES

  • Pakistan's Struggle for Democracy
  • The Indian Story
  • Indo-Pak Relations
  • Personal Narratives
  • Religion Today
  • War on Terror
  • Role of Media
  • Call for Social Change
  • Hold Them Accountable
  • Environment and Us
  • Way of Life
more »

Top 5 Articles This Week

  • Popular
  • Mumbai Attacks: Shocking
  • An Indian Muslim
  • Sexless and Loveless Marriages
  • A Big, Decadent Pakistani Wedding
  • Terror in Mumbai.....and also in 'Bannu or somewhere'
  • Featured
  • There are a Lot of Monkeys
  • White Charade
  • Words of a Woman
  • FOX News and the Smelly Shoes
  • Dilemmas of Creative Children
  • 10 Years Ago
  • Azadi
  • A Letter to the Prime Minister of Pakistan
  • March on! Fellow Robots and Cyborgs!
  • Say No to Indian and Pakistani Bombs
  • Nuclear Strike Warning or Green Card Application?

Write on Chowk Interact Guidelines Privacy policy Terms Contact

Copyright © 1997 - 2008 chowk.com. All Rights Reserved
Reproduction of material on any www.chowk.com pages without prior written permissions is strictly prohibited