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scout,

Please don`t run down heeng/haldi/pakoras. It`s cruel of you to remind a hungry desi of those heavenly things.

regards

The bend-over mela in mecca turns violent.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1203000/1203108.stm

``Thirty-five Muslim pilgrims have been killed in a stampede as the annual Muslim pilgrimage, the Hajj, reached its climax.

They died during the Stoning of Satan ritual on Monday``

``In 1998, at least 118 people died and more than 180 were injured in a stampede during the third and last day of the stoning ceremony.``

`` Like Muslims around the world, the pilgrims also slaughter sheep, goats, camels and cattle ``

ok i truly rest my case `stud(?)baker`...the filth just flows endlessly...a regular gutter i tell u!! and u know what? u deserved to be generalized with the rest of those crass and undeniably vulgar people that i named previously!! :)

rsuxena #102, ``Yeah but playing with their urine in mecca is not.``

What? I`m sorry, but even some jokes/insults make sense, but this one doesn`t.

Try again buddy boy, you`re running out of ammo.

``by the way, do you too have to line-up 5 times a day with someone`s behind in your face? how does that work if you`re in a crowded nyc subway?``

Heard this one before too. What`s happening to you? Too much beer and Alice on the weekend again I presume.

Regarding crowded nyc subways, standing next to an Indian is sheer torture, with the smell of heeng/haldi/pakoras emanating in close quarters.

phew!

You guys are walking stink bombs.

krashid, hmmm, so please tell us what you define as good literature? Because apparently, we are in disagreement over what that elusive creature called good writing is.

Studebaker, in answer to your question, when the Babri Masjid was destroyed I was in India for a visit and was horrified, angered, frustrated, scared and saddened by the events.

As to whether the Babri masjid, (a mosque that was no longer in use and was used by the rabid Hindutva forces as a stick to beat muslims with), was a priceless relic I personally disagree. I have seen many more gorgeous, beautiful and significant structures, even mosques in India than that. But as you said that is a matter of personal preferences. It was, however, a historical building that needed to be preserved. I agree with you on that.

However, just because someone else destroyed a historical mosque in India does not make it okay for others to destroy millenia old art in another country. Where is the logic in that? An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, does it not?

Besides the buddhists have never anything bad to anyone and have always been screwed over, so I have a soft spot for them perhaps.

I think as a human community we are diminished by the destruction of creativity, history and art wherever that is, in India, Afghanistan or Timbucktoo.

It`s not an either or situation. I mourn the destruction of both, not because I think either of them were particularly beautiful or artistic even. But because incidents such as these displays the barbarity of human beings and makes any hope I might have, a fruitless dream.

And in some ways destruction of history and art is symbolic for the atrocities perpetrated on real, living, human beings. And those are more important than the buildings, I never forget that. If the Taliban had destroyed the statues but had treated their own people well I would not be so angry. But along with destroying others` art and history and religion, they are also killing their own and stifling all those who may disagree.

Just because I don`t think something is art does *not * give me the right to destroy it. That`s my point. I choose to look past many things in the world that I don`t like or agree with. But I also don`t take weapons and destroy them. What the hell is wrong with just agreeing to disagree for god`s sake?

Just because you or I are not agreeing on something here, does not mean that we will come gunning for one another does it? We`ll just go on and say, this one time, Studebaker and Jawahara disagreed vehemently. Perhaps, next time it will be different.

I am sorry for rambling, people. Just had to get all these different, rambling thoughts out of my head.

Re: Spout

``Camels are beautiful animals by the way. ``

Yeah but playing with their urine in mecca is not.

by the way, do you too have to line-up 5 times a day with someone`s behind in your face? how does that work if you`re in a crowded nyc subway?

studebaker #99

Bhai jaan. What is this?!

From another board, I learnt that like many others here, you fully support Afghanistani Muslims`s actions destroying Buddhist statues. Now, it seems you are still sore about Hindu fanatics` criminal destruction of a priceless (sorry bhai jaan, to me every ancient relic is priceless) mosque?

What is it that you believe in? Do you have the courage to clearly state your core beliefs?

studebaker #99

Bhai jaan. What is this?!

From another board, I learnt that like many others here, you fully support Afghanistani Muslims`s actions destroying Buddhist statues. Now, it seems you are still sore about Hindu fanatics` criminal destruction of a priceless (sorry bhai jaan, to me every ancient relic is priceless) mosque?

What is it that you believe in? Do you have the courage to clearly state your

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Jawahara #89

What is so difficult to understand.

The choice of article is done by Chowk Staff.

If we are doomed to read third class acts by fourth class writers due to this who should we fault.

I agree that sometimes by mistake they publish some good literature, but that is rarity.

Particularly two or three pieces in succession make it more urgent to implore the chowk staff.

As far as self proclaimed Messiah analogy.

Our country is ruled by Military once every decade by self proclaimed Messiah without our participation or sentiments. Who cares.

Scout #95

LOL. Good one.

Saxena Sahib, Maanana padega ki she is good :)

Godot and Zahra,

Thanks :)

Rsuxena #92, ``Go to mecca and bury your head in the sand and bathe with a camel.``

That`s much much better than bathing in millions of people`s germs, urine, and God knows what...

Camels are beautiful animals by the way.

Sadna,

Thanks.

Re: scout, #86

Scout, you have a great sense of humor. I like your style! Sometimes you say it so well!

Your post #87: Agree with you 100%.

Latif Chappu, #75

Dude, I give you credit for putting it together. It takes imagination (no pun intended). Loved the second take as well!

Re: sharayar, #77

``she stands on a slippery field``

It is not a ``she`` who stands on a slippery field, it`s a ``he.`` [I`ll let you figure that one out.]

Re: Mahim Maher

Mahim, I want you to know that none of my posts here is directed towards you. I`m only responding to some of the posts in this thread. I hope you don`t take me the wrong way.

To me, you are very bright and intelligent. You know so many languages and can express your thoughts in them so well. Not everyone can do that. Women like you make me proud of Pakistan. Be what you are and keep writing for Chowk. You`ll have many fans. One thing I learned long time ago is that you cannot please everyone. The best way to be is be yourself.