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and realizng that she stands on a slippery field,mahim takes a tangent and says it was a humorous poem.

hahahahahaa:)

what a loser:)

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To Mahim and to old Chowkies.(A politically incorrect post)

There was a time when chowk.COM had yet to Make It. That was the time when people like sifwan bina saima shandana arif etc etc. were on the mainstay. The discussions here were normally revolved around the writer`s Work rather than his/her own person. Labelling each other was simply unheard of.(although i know its a Desi dilemma specially at the West-End of the Des)

But then times have changed, so Mahim brace yourself for more religious/nationalistic(patriotic?) trash on these Boards.

bugger off!

Re: Spout

Are you allowed to be reading material of adult nature such as that on this board? Isn`t it against your ``morals?``

Re: shrink

Another pot of the obvious from you. Do you have an original bone in your body?

Re : Mahim

One has to become slightly thick-skinned to deflect off the mostly adhominem attacks over here at Chowk. Its very easy to drag the personality of the writer, for many Pakistanis, as opposed to keping their evaluation focussed solely on their writings.

You dont have to get all worked up, about the ridiculous, abusive namecalling; or to get worked up enough that you respond in kind by generalising.

Taboos in our society are bigger than the size of some cathedrals. Our egos being even bigger. Its difficult for some of us(not mysefl personally, mind you :)) to see a western educated young woman writing about masturbation. It lends credence to their myopic views about the stereotypcial western woman, who is willing to get it ``on`` with any Tom, Dick and Harry;, a view built up by repeated exposure to the very blue porn movies which you wrote about. Ironic that such movies ar watched by the ``ye old faithful``, natuarlly in isolation from the females of the clan;

Hypocrisy knows no bounds! Yet, I was not moved by the poem, its aafter all a personal opinion. I am not a literay critic by any stretch of the imagination, even after having read the Times literary supplemnt for a long time. One does not become a pilot just by reading the flying manuals. You see :) But i know what appeals to me and what does not. So dont take it seriously. Opinions will vary. Youc ant please people all the time, even if you were an ``angel``; Not that i am doubting for a moment, that you are not :).

Keep writing, but be selctive in what you print here. As it is, this level of interaction is pretty cutting age for us token ``liberal`` Pakistanis.

Sincerely,

Asim

Shankar

I thought the world is now even beyond Jung(s). Gosh! I hope you dont prescribe beating and hanging upside down to your patients as a treatment.

Mahim:

Or is mayhem? Just thought should tell you that was a great write up on `Brackish Gate`. Would have sent the kudos letter there but have tried in the past and found their system is partial to psedonymns. And, ofcourse, I don`t have a life outside.....:)

lve,

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Mahim Reply #: 65

My ``nasty`` reaction was to your post # 27 and not to the poem itself. Please re-read your posting and you might realize why.

hi mahim! I agree with you that people are a bit uptight on Chowk about matters sexual! It is a common Pakistani failing...

Wanking is one of the most pleasurable activities!

There are those who admit to it and then there are liars (amongst normal humans); it seems our people have a problem with it!

And is that anecdote about the coke bottles really true?

take care

keep on writing on Chowk!

I had sent an errata posting about the name mix up,right after my other response. It didn`t make it on here yet.

My point still stands. People write books for public consumption. This web site is for public consumption. Why is writing about sex in one medium, okay, but not the other?

I never said you were a mawlana but since you saw fit to ask Mahim not to write about such things on a public forum, I believe I have a right to ask for clarification. Right?

So, please tell me.

THE POEM WAS NOT ABOUT ME!!

This poem was meant to make people laugh. It is about a girl watching scrambled porn, which is rather pathetic because she doesn`t pay for it. Then someone, her lover perhaps, arrives at the doorway and disturbs her. Its that simple.

However, the enjambment or the line breaks are supposed to create a sense of suspense and surprise at each turn, which is one of the pleasures of free verse I tried here.

Wearing your heart on your sleeve is not a crime. And when I write back I do not snap at my readers. What about the readers who have called me Mahim Wanker Maher? People get really nasty on chowk which I am learning to get used to.

You don`t like the poem, that`s fine. It won`t appeal to everyone. It was not meant to be a serious poem.

You don`t think its literary. I never claimed it was The Inferno.

You don`t think it`s art. That`s a fine opinion.

Just laugh when you read it. That was what I did when I wrote it.

Mahim.

you can contact me...any time.. for your needs ..

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fabs

Even Freud`s greatest critics (in his field; ie--not laypeople who havent read him & call him a pervert) agree with his basic theory of human sexuality. His genious lay in the fact that he was the first person who theorised how the human sexual instinct matures from infancy to puberty.

God has given every NORMAL human a sexual instinct. That instinct is as normal & essential as eating, drinking & defecating. The survival of a species is dependant on it. Prudes generally get offended by Freud because he says it so matter of factly. To make matters worse, when Freud first proposed his theories to the scientific world, it was during the Victorian era--when Britain (& Europe as a whole) was extremely prudish & considered it very bad manners to talk about such things in ``civilised`` society. You can imagine how society reacted to him. Even his mentors, who had previously recognised his genious, denounced him publicly. Despite that, his basic theory (albeit with numerous revisions) is universally accepted by analysts.

Human sexual instinct is present right from birth. From birth to puberty, it goes through several stages of maturation. When an infant puts a rattle in its mouth, its expressing its sexual instinct. At that stage in life, the mouth is the ``erotogenous`` zone. These erotogenous zones the change as the human being matures from an infant to adulthood. Thats why you have the oral, anal, phallic ,latency & finally the genital phase of normal adult sexuality. I dont want to go into details because it would take hours.

When a person says he/she has NEVER masterbated, its as ridiculous as saying he/she has never defecated! Mind you, that person is NOT lying. He/she is not conciously aware of it. We humans have an inbuilt ``censor`` mechanism called ``repression`` that automatically ``banishes`` thoughts that are offensive to our sensibilities or our moral percepts. The more prudish a person is, the stronger the repression. Hence, the more neurotic he/she becomes. We hardly ever see any typical cases of ``hysteria`` these days, in the US. In societies where sex is not talked about openly, ``hysteria`` cases (as described by Frued in his case presentations) are still seen frequently.

Saxena,

Satisfied! I could go on & on. But I took your advice & made some friends & am going skiing this weekend. So I`m going to miss your insults. Sigh,too bad,I enjoy them.

To discuss matters does not mean you have to discuss them on a public forum.

It was not Rumi but Imam Suyuti who i said wrote the islamic love making texts.

Please do not twist my words.

and i am not a mawlana but a sinful, weak, muslim in need of the duas of the righteous.

There is no ``sharm`` in shar`iaH matters..but you have to talk about it with the right people.

Alhaj Asif Naqshbandi porno waley:

Kindly provide us some guidance in the light of Quran and Sunnah. What should one do if ones partner(lets limit this to wife/husband for now) doesn`t satisfy ones sexual urges? Did any of the six Muslim Kama Sutras mention any remedies short of ice and vaseline?

respectfully

-sac

Mahim: Listen to the Maulana. No more poetry for you till a bearded pabind-i-saum-o-salat significant other arrives in your hedonistic life!!