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Asim #114:

A (brahmin) acquaintance from UP was there recently due to a death in the family, he was talking about the ghats and the water in the hills.

``at places i.e precisely the volume occupied by a lepton(a subatomic particle, whose existnce is very much under debate)``

Have you seen the river?

On second thoughts, dont bother to answer, maybe I just wrote that to indirectly say that you dont have such a river in Pakistan, I am sure Jagdeep would agree.

The only thought that struck me when I read this little piece wasm ``Oh, I didn`t get that..`

Nit then I thought it might be interesting to read the replies. I certainly wasn`t ready for all taht I read there.

I find it exceedingly sad how frightened people, and Pakistanis in particular are frightened of losing their ``identities``, in anyway whatsoever. Chill out people. It`s literature. It might not be to your liking, or you might not have any experience with this kind of work. But the writer has a license for free art.

And if the chowk editors let it in, who`s anyone to complain?

Open up those minds and let some sun in! Things are getting mouldy in there.

cheers

Haniya

I`ve been reading articles and replies on chowk for a long time now. But this kind of petty mid-slinging at each other`s religions really goes beyond any limit. I mean, what`re you people achieving by posting these stupid(I can think of no other word to describe these remarks) replies, aside from a smug grin on how abosolutely celever you`ve been. I mean, come off it! Camels in Mecca and a stinking Indian on a subway in NYC?

As for the Taliban, I beg of everyone to please STOP equating them with the world of Islam in general. These people are, well, different. Most, if not all have lived since childhood in Madrassay, brought up by illiterate mullahs. What is one to expect?

And if anyone expects them to see reason in not destroying the Buddha statues, forget it. They just think like the rest of us. And I`m very serious.

As for the destruction of art, be it of religious, historical, sentimental, any sort of significance, destorying art is a heinous crime. Afghanistan was once the centre of art, literature, and music for Central and even South Asia. The city of Herat was known for it`s culture and beauty. That was all razed thanks to the combined powers of the ex-Soviet Union, the grand old United States d`Amerique and our very own Pakistan. Why does war justify this kind of destruction?

Umm...I see I have strayed. Beyond repair. I`ll leave it at this. Please repects all religion, all art, and all knowledge.

Thanks for listening to me rant. :)

cheers

haniya

Re: shrink

Wow. I am honored that you`ve devoted 5 paragraphs to me. I must push your buttons very well.

``It burns him that I get along well with nonbigots on Chowk``

Hehe. It ``burns`` me? You think I give a hoot if you wanna stick your tongue where the sun don`t shine?

haniya #128,

I`m sorry dear.

Rsaxena,

I know, deep down, you`re a good person. Behind the heavy armor of harsh words, there lies a beautiful heart. Let the beauty of your heart shine through the armor.

Lay down your weapons and embrace love for all people, of every race, of every religion, and sexual orientation.

Be a warrior of love instead of a warrior of hate.

I will (sincerely) pray to God for your well being and future happiness.

Where is the person I once happily chatted with about NY Bridges and Ferragamo shoes?

peace

scout

Post 135:

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Post 135:

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Jawahara #119

Looks like you are an editor on chowk. Living in Connecticut.

That can make anyone a word churner and not a literate.

Behind good literature is not only a lot of experience, but lot of observation and only the final part is how to present it.

I am pretty sure you will find a story dumb where the contradiction in society and a person`s thinking regarding himself and others has different criteria. (Any way that dumb writer of short stories got acolade for his book from Farman Fatehpuri and others if you know who they are).

Particularly it cannot compare with a talented story where a girl while watching porn is putting a finger in her crotch and at the very movement someone knocks at the door. What a great story.

I am sorry, I am yet unaware of good literature and had wasted most of my life with unnecessary words.

# 115 Studebaker

I am grateful you took the time to reply to me in a thoughtful manner.

I won`t bore you with long statements. Let me only build on what you wrote.

Hindus and Muslims (and others as well) should try to understand each other`s fears, hopes, and memories. I see you are afraid that Hindus are trying to turn the clock back to some earlier period. You are determined to hold on to things you feel you have gained.

Hindus and Muslims should both arrive at some sort of solution in which both are able to get a few things they value and give a few things to the other in the spirit of brotherhood. For this to happen, we need the WILLING cooperation of everyone. It can not be all one sided, either all Hindu or all Muslim.

Let me provoke you for a moment. I hope you will not be angry. You are afraid of losing things you gained. Should Hindus not get a few of the things they have lost for a thousand years?

If we think of the emotional needs of both Hindus and Muslims, we can find a way to forge a great future together.

PS: Earlier, I had asked a question in all seriousness. You mentioned that all Buddhist viharas and stupas were forcibly converted by Hindus into temples during a particular period. Is there any reliable source of information on that? I have always believed that Hinduism has not, broadly, been aflicted by the curse that many other religions have suffered - large-scale and systematic destruction of other people`s religious places as a matter of religiously prescribed or state policy. At worst, there might have been an odd king or two in some places.

I would really want to know if I am wrong.

Zahra, itni sophisticated shairi...

:)

Re: scout

Truce it is. Ylh and I called a truce, so why not you and I too...

I dont know if the following news item is relevant to this discussion, but what the heck: ``Countries that promote women`s rights and increase their access to resources and schooling have lower poverty rates, faster economic growth and less corruption than countries that do not, says a recently published World Bank report.`` (This is based on a carefully designed study, incidentally, and is not subjective opinion.)

TAhmed:

``Countries that promote women`s rights and increase their access to resources and schooling have lower poverty rates, faster economic growth and less corruption than countries that do not, says a recently published World Bank report.`` (This is based on a carefully designed study, incidentally, and is not subjective opinion.)


Do * *we * * need any report or study to tell us something that is very obvious?

Why?

Note: This * *we * * has been left ambiguous intentionally.

What about the following? Is that true?

``Countries that promote men`s rights and decrease their access to resources and schooling have higher poverty rates, slower economic growth and higher corruption than countries that do not.``
[This was a spontaneous reaction than any famous discovery.]





Scout:

There was no sophistication in those verses. I think you wanted to say, ``pertinent - husbae` haal.`` :X)

On another note: I *think * the following will be more poignant than the rest. I hope you value my invaluable suggestions :-)

krashid # 138

I am not an editor on chowk. Where did you get that idea? And I don`t live in Connecticut any more. More than that, I have never claimed to be more than a word churner, so if that was meant to be an insult, it really wasn`t. Sorry!



Perhaps your sample story suffered from your retelling here and was actually a great piece of literature. I will concede that, since I have not read it.

Now I am an avowed word churner, but what exactly are your credentials to being the judge and artbiter of good literature?

Also, I did not understand this sentence. I am sure you won`t mind explaining it to this less than literate person:

``I am pretty sure you will find a story dumb where the contradiction in society and a person`s thinking regarding himself and others has different criteria.``

Also, just because that story was good literature does not mean that this poem was not. In fact, if the rest of world literature began to ape just one great story, the copycats would not qualify as good literature.

All good literature (I am sure I don`t have to tell you that) is not the same. Each person`s muse moves them in different ways and it is how they take that creative spark and translate it into words, the style, the skill; that differentiates a good writer from a not so great one.

Now, this poem was not the best I have read, not even close. But it was refreshing, funny, sad and interesting at the same time. Regardless, not publishing a poem such as this, with definite promise, just because you (or others) find the subject matter offensive is my pet peeve and smacks of censorship.

Jawahar #144

Some good literature for your thoughts.

When I saw those black eyes.

The hairs flowing in air.

And a heavenly beauty.

My neighbour, I called you.

You did not listen at that time.

And now I am living happily.

As much as I can.

Smiling to myself sometimes.

On childishness to be carried away. By the flowing hairs.

Black eyes and heavenly beauty.

So how would you rate it.

I will rate it with the same category which you are defending so ardently (or worse)

Is it necessary to be credentialed to judge Literature for its worth.