Porn for Girls

Is this the complete porn, I mean poem, or half of it is eaten by cyber-genie?

I see the face of Mahim

with whom I merge

not almost but more



In flagarante

dear Mahim the ante

has been upped



please stop the porn

the buildings torn

under a heavy Friday noon

full of beardo`ns.

Banging my door down........emphasis is on the word ``BANGING`` hmmmmmm, sounds ironic to me.

Is this the contribution you want to make to Pakistan after returning from your ``foreign education``, where you wroite you wanted to give something back to Pakistan. So the ifrst poem was in spanish, the next is in erotica. Wonder-bloody-ful.

You were probably better off staying back here than returning back to Pakistan to add to the chaos, by giving ideas to ``gullible`` young 16 year old female virgins about the benefits of self gratification. Oops! maybe i have been away too long to actually make a factual statement on the status quo, so convincingly.

Asim

what the hell is this?

I surely would want to contribute now...

it makes three crappy submissions now..

I can write as bad as this...actually even worse:)

knocking at the editor`s door

thorn for [editorial] guys

Re: Asim

Jeez, Asim, lighten up. Aren`t you giving me YOUR version of right and wrong. There is nothing wrong with 16 year old female virgins sticking their fingers for it in a place full of 35 year old sexual retard Men who don`t know the A.B.C of sex.

Mahim,

Nice & simple yet evocative & layered. Like it!

Funny thing is, such a harmless pretty little string of thought is going to ruffle some feathers on the baggage belabored backs of these relics!

But something tells me you don`t give a rat`s.

Keep writing.

Mahim,
Interesting work that will not be easily digested
by the readership here on CHOWK. When I was younger and reading such fantasy work was more important I could perhaps relate better. But in the absence of subtitles and the much needed author explanations that appear to be needed here, I have to resort to speculation.
Are you trying to emulate Fahmida Riaz here whose ``Meray aur tumharay beech, is neeli chadar kay siwa kuch bhi to nahi....`` by using tantalizing symbolism here to say something else or completely different from porn?

Ras

This strip-tease was a sad attempt to look like a radical.Please reconsider.

#9 ``understands`` a lot,such kinds extend lots of officious welcomes too,to recruit to their own mindsets.

The genuine ones have turned even that into an art.At least they do not seek approval as the ``respected`` ones.

Fahmeeda Riaz is an insult to female chromosomes,let alone urdu poetry.

Please try to live up to the respect & glory of the Taimurees(if your first name is any indication.)

__________________________________________________

wassalaam

Mahim,

I am sure there must have been more depth in this piece , but somehow it just went whoooosh !six feet above my head !

I dont see channel 40 in any case so just could not relate !!

take care

shirin

Mahim, I did not comment on your previous work, but I thought it was inventive and imaginative, a breath of fresh air.

I really liked this one as well. Passionately delicate, sensual. Well done! I am sure you are going to madden some chowkies with this, but that`s half the fun sometimes.

Asim, why is it so hard to digest that 16 year old virgins are *gasp * sexual creatures too? It`s a fact of life. Or is that only reserved for 16 year old (and up) guys who can leer at, touch and violate others. Better self gratification than molestation or even actually having sex at that age.

Mahim,

I took the liberty of altering your poem a bit, here`s my version of it:

And just as I feel my

end is near

when I almost merge

with the two onscreen...

...Urstruly is there,

banging

my

door

down.

I try to ignore him

but he drags me by the hair

and throws me out the window

as I fall to the ground

he shouts to me

badchalan badzaat behuda aurat

tu isi laiq hai

:)

sorry

I hope the writer is either very famous, a known writer/journalist/author/critic, or is operating at a literary level far above the comprehension of us literary mortals.

If not, then this piece is a waste of disk space on the Chowk server.

=== Interact Filtered ===
view this users filtered interacts

Scout# 13

hummm! that was interesting. My barber says that almost all women fantacize about sadist men. Unfortunately I am not. In addition I am pot-bellied, half-bald, couch potato. When I sit on my computer chair for my cyber-jihad against hindus, 20% of my behind hangs on the sides of the chair. I am not a good fantasy either. Try to forget me.

This is very elegantly written, I love it!

You want to contribute to Pakistani society? Write more, please! :)

Re : Waheed

``Jeez, Asim, lighten up. Aren`t you giving me YOUR version of right and wrong. There is nothing wrong with 16 year old female virgins sticking their fingers for it in a place full of 35 year old sexual retard Men who don`t know the A.B.C of sex.``

Dear Waheed,

Its great to hear from you.

Mian you seem very charged(no pun intended). :)

Okay hear me out. Mahir`s aspiration in her earlier article, which happened to be in Spanish(not French, Non e bella lingua italiana, not saraiki) hovered optimistically around trying to contribute to Pakistan society. ...``trying to define a way to contribute to Pakistani society and by this poem am shaking hands with Chowk and all its readers, who will learn to hate me in the coming months.``

Now, I had made some ``reservation: about her earlier work, in relation to the heroic aspiratiosn as per above;i.e. contrary to her belief by writing in spanish, she is never going to fulfil her objective of reaching out the masses and contributing. Despite the ``foreign`` language the last poem had some merit, contrary to the current debacle.

Its a bit like our national poet Mr Iqbal;He disparaged and was disdainful of the use of urdu vis-a-vis the sublime ``Farsi`` as a suitablke medium. He seemed rto be under the impression that the sophistry of the country could appreciate the farsi better as oppsoed to the ``pedestrian`` urdu during his metaphysical exploration days;thereby indicating his full passion for two petty snobbishness and class consciousness. Later when he turned ``socialist``(and i have no idea how and why did he have to let go of his ingrained superiority complexes), he became a people`s poet.

Frankly, I fail to see any semblance of literature in this poem. I know Oscar Wilde, and DH Lawrence both indulged in the ``intimate`` scenarios, and why is it their rendition of such themes was much more poignant, graceful, and potent, as compare to the current dabblings of our friend. Not to mention the fact that the poem appears to have been ``abridged``, thereby taking away its potency, if it had some.

My comments about 16 yr old virgins were written in jest, more like a satire on current 16 yr old female ``virgins``(now that is hopeful thinking alright), in the glorious Islamic Republic of Pakistan. I am all for sexual experimentation. Its just i dont think an average reader is interested in my findings from my adolescent days, or for that matter yours. On the contrary I strongly believe that these 16 yr old Pakkistani virgins could perhaps give ideas to our erstwhile noble writer I take it, you and others are clear on where i was coming(no pun intnded yet once more) from.

Read up Farzana Varsey`s treatise on sex and religion. She has my complete support for breaking hell loose here with her salacious insights. Now there is a lady who is unbridled, who is passionate, yet not restrained, and who knows how to maintain a stand and argue for it, and who knows the importance of sex and religion to entwine the two, without any reservations. She comes all the way unlike halfway, half hearted, withing realms of acceptance Mahim.

Break all rules!

Sincerely,

Asim

Re: Jawahara

``Asim, why is it so hard to digest that 16 year old virgins are *gasp * sexual creatures too? It`s a fact of life. Or is that only reserved for 16 year old (and up) guys who can leer at, touch and violate others. Better self gratification than molestation or even actually having sex at that age.``

Hi Jawahara,

Perhaps i should have put a large smiley next to my observations about the corruption potential of 16 yr old virgins from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

You are absoluetley right. That is not to say that these ``creatures`` dont already do all that and more.

Sincerely,

Asim

P.S My friend, a female doctor, told us how one such girl from Kinnaird College (naturally), broke a bottle of coca cola inside of her and had to be brought to the emergency in a Lahore hospital, where the shards of the bottle had to be painstakingly removed.

oh glorious leader farangicushion...

please unveil yourself in all your 2`` glory so we insults to female chromosomes can prostrate ourselves at your feet and beg to be taken into your harem like the doormats we are. we all apologise, together, again and again, for having offended your delicate sensibilites and beg to be taken in and reprimanded in a suitably sadistic fashion. in desperate need of some discipline..

shandana (i have seen the light at the end of the tunnel, and i now know it is the tubelight in f-k`s rectum) minhas

Urstruly #16,

Whoaaaaaaa, easy there buddy.

#13 was a JOKE not a fantasy

However, the description of your ``blubber`` invokes

fantasies of halal jello, vanilla pudding, and twinkies....

Human fat looks like a deep yellow vanilla pudding anyway, let me know the date of your liposuction surgery, I`ll be there with a straw and napkins.

yummm

Beautiful!

Chowk editors3

What is this.

A third rate poem regarding such acts.

Yahan Bhi Koi Pawwa Chal Raha Hai Kia.

Spanish Bhi Jaez or Suchha or Khara porn Bhi.

Agar Is Qissim Ke Muamlat Ki Hadees Chapne Ka Wadah Karen to Bhej Doon.

Shandana

I feel sorry for your students and more for their un-suspecting parents.

There just was not enough to this poem to actually analyze it or dissect it in any meaningful way.

Hello fellow Chowkies,

1.This is my second submission, not my third.

2.It is a complete poem, not abridged.

3.Channel 40 is scrambled porn on Canadian Cable.

4.Everybody wanks off, including girls.

5.Men have come into Jinnah Hospital with coke bottles broken up their rectum.

6.Sex in this society is girted round with taboo.

7.This poem in no way encourages sex, it is about

masturbation.

8.Not all poetry is about Jihad.

9.This poem was shortlisted for the Irving Layton Creative Writing in Poetry Award in March 2000 at a Canadian University. And it has been read at various venues to open audiences there, which included plenty of Muslims/Pakistanis.

Thank you for all your interactions, your comments are helpful, even the scathing ones. I joined chowk for the interaction.

Thankyou to the chowk staff.

Love Mahim.

who was there banging the door down?

he should have waited.

Could anyone please explain what channel 40 is? Never heard of it.

farangi #10:

[...Fahmeeda Riaz is an insult to female chromosomes,let alone urdu poetry...]


A poet bares his/her soul. They may those immediately around them, or the world at large with their words. Whether the poet is effective or not, good or bad is decided subjectively by the reader. The objective test is Mother Time. The great ones live forever and the rest are thrown in the landfill of history. Based on this the jury is still out on Fehmida.

Your words are demeaning to yourself. Please reconsider.

rgds,

t

Asim Hayat #18:

[...Okay hear me out....]

Yes, I will if you do the same:)

How do you know Mahim does not spend every single hour available after work in a leper’s colony there? Or volunteering at some local hospital at the expense of social life women her age have? Or donates a substantial portion of her salary to Edhi?

Easy, yaar, don’t be in a hurry to be so judgmental.

For me this is a tongue in cheek rendition of basic human instincts. My friend Saqi has coined a word for it in Urdu ---’khood-was’ali’.
We can interpret this one of two ways.

This may be a minor poem, indulgent and indulging. The reader is led to share a moment -- that moment of self-awareness and release with the poet.

On another level (with some minor re-write and am being subjective here) this can be very introspective and thoughtful. What makes men poets get away with carte blanche. And why do we impose a different morality on women poets? What is it that we (desi males) take unusual and sometimes logic defying stance on discrimination?

Us vs. them. India vs. Pakistan. My Islam vs. your Islam. My Allah vs. your Allah. Desis vs. the West. Sindh vs. Punjab. Deobandis vs. Barelvis. Ahle-this vs. Ahle-that.

And finally men vs. women? Is that male chauvinism or is it in our desi genes to always think of them from the lower extremities?

regards,

temporal
PS: What say you now, B?

PS to #29:

Please read `They may move those immediately...`

Mahim # 27

I object to your point # 8. Are you implying that there are two catagories of poetry, Jihadic and indecent. You be careful here at Chowk. Dont get sucked up by the rantings of:

-Quadianis
-Christians
-Hindus
-Pseudo-Liberals and
-Gays

Be yourself. You dont need to prove anything to anyone to show that you are one of the gang-unless this is your original agenda.

Four kinds of women to avoid:

http://underwire.msn.com/underwire/itspersonal/love/106love.asp


Five worst male types:

http://underwire.msn.com/underwire/Itspersonal/love/94love.asp

Mahim:

Irving Layton of the ``Dribbling Farts`` fame?How proudly did he cackle about the coining of this phrase.

Since when has it become an honour to seek approval from Canadians,especially in ``literature``.

Indain & Pakistanis still have better writers even in the english language.This ``awards`` racket is for the birds.Those who live in US & Canada know all about them.Maybe some Paki wannabees might look at you in awe.But then.....what else is new there.

Tell me what else is new.Just because some men are capable of oral farts does not mean that you too try to seek parity in such endeavours.

Today in literature everyone desirous to get noticed is trying to ``overwhelm a skunk in heat and underwear a fish``.

Please note that the Victorians & their lackeys discovered the human body & its various functions only a little over a 100 years ago.Like the other ``discoveries`` by the white man,this too is new info to them.

Rest of the world watches all this with amusement and pity.

There are perhaps over 2 billion chinese all over the world.Ignorance about them does not invalidate their existence.There are others too.

It becomes ``knowledge`` only when reported in the languages of those still enslaved.

Ask somebody to give you the porno-poetry written by Dulhan,Hayaa,or Urooj among so many others,during the last century.

(It is never read or recited publicly----THAT`s the difference)

You might turn so red,that you might be mistaken for a Red Indian--the ``Discovery`` of Columbus!

__________________________________________________Shandana:

A pretty good clinical analysis.What else can you expect when you come so close to anyone.

No you cannot be admitted to the harem.....only women need apply.

__________________________________________________

wassalaam.

Re: Temporal and misinterpretation.

``How do you know Mahim does not spend every single hour available after work in a leper’s colony there? Or volunteering at some local hospital at the expense of social life women her age have? Or donates a substantial portion of her salary to Edhi?``

The answer is simple. I dont know. If she does thats fine. If she does not thats fine too. By the same token may i be brazen enough to ask you that because i dont clamour about contributing to Pakistani society, that i dont do zilch for it. I hope you see the error in this line of thinking, T.

What i do object to is the initial advertisement of her philanthropy towards Pakistani people and for contributing to Pakistan. Writing here about issues affecting Pakistan is contributing to Pakistan. Since she wrote here, her mission objectives, and in such an unambiguous terms, I took it that she was going to write about events, solutions and changes she would like to bring being young and energetic. I have always believed that Actions speak louder than words.

``Easy, yaar, don’t be in a hurry to be so judgmental.``

Okay i will grant you that. Her first contribution was in Spanish. She wrote afterwards that she did not get an education to get a job. Very glorious words spoken from the comforts of her high horse. Well Surprise! Surprise! Like mamny others, I did not have such luxury to go for a foreign eduation abroad at my own expense, and to study exotic subjects, which would enlighten me so that i could come back and sit in the ostantaious drawing rooms of Karachi and boast about how i tried to discover my identity and whatnots while over there in sunny Canada. This is the sort of attitude i have seen in various ``rich and upwardly mobile`` friends of mine back in Lahore too. This fellow whose dad owns one of the largest corporations in Pakistan told me how he chose to go for a non vocational subject like History of Philosophy at Cambridge, compared to my Electrical Engineering at Edinburgh. He had the option to go study mating habits of langoors, for all i care, and that too at Cambridge, for he knows he does not have to worry about day to day job woes, as he is the CEO in waiting for that corporation, living in a swank residence in Lahore, and driving a Merc 500SEL. Do i envy him one bit. Hell No. I am what i am today based on something which he has never possibly used. Self reliance! His life was always mapped out for him by others. I mapped out my own life.

``For me this is a tongue in cheek rendition of basic human instincts. My friend Saqi has coined a word for it in Urdu ---’khood-was’ali’.

We can interpret this one of two ways.``

Did not get this one! Sorry!

``This may be a minor poem, indulgent and indulging. The reader is led to share a moment -- that moment of self-awareness and release with the poet.``

The subject matter granted is esoteric on a Pakistani intellectual medium. Yet Farzana Varsey has dealt with similar theme much more elegantly and not left her readers feeling a sense of incompleteness and abruptness.

``On another level (with some minor re-write and am being subjective here) this can be very introspective and thoughtful. What makes men poets get away with carte blanche. And why do we impose a different morality on women poets?

I doubt it! Like i have said standards of Chgwk have indeed taken a nose dive in terms of the literary quality of the artciles posted here these days. This is ordinary, trite, and not even good porn. I know Mahim you cna do better than this.

``What is it that we (desi males) take unusual and sometimes logic defying stance on discrimination?``

Please dont attribute stuff to me which i never wrote. I have nothing against Pakistani female writers writing about sex. Ismat Chughtai did a wonderful treatise on the subject with her numerous short stories, with immortal,lines likne ``Razai mein kuhc phuddak sa raha tha``. This poem, if it can be called that, is too short and lacks in a lot of things, as you almost agreed elsewhere in your critique..

``Us vs. them. India vs. Pakistan. My Islam vs. your Islam. My Allah vs. your Allah. Desis vs. the West. Sindh vs. Punjab. Deobandis vs. Barelvis. Ahle-this vs. Ahle-that. ``

I dont have any religious hangups whatsoever. Rest assured its not on religious ground or the taboo grounds that i felt compelled to write. I would like to think of myself above the misogyny practised in my country, and a believer of an egalitarian set of values for both sexes. My parents take pride in the fact that they were ``equal opportunity Parents``,i.e they gave the same educational assistance to my sisters in terms of a western education as they bestowed on myself, at mucn financial difficulty for themselves. So, please dont misinterpret my words. Had a sister of mine written such ``poetry``, she too would have been chastised, perhaps in harsher terms not ebcaudse i consider these genre to be obscene and full of taboos, but because this poem lacked subtance.

``And finally men vs. women? Is that male chauvinism or is it in our desi genes to always think of them from the lower extremities? ``

I think to a certain extent i agree with you. Its nature and not us, which compels us to do what you are prescribing. Not that all men are the same. At least some of us dont indulge in marital rape etc, just because Allah has given us the carte blance to deal with them as we please,..``take them as farmers till their soils``. No wonder the bearded clan uses Islam to terrorise and contain women.

As an aside they recently hanged two women in the glorious and divine Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, for being prostitutes. So in the absence of education for women and career opportunities what are these desperate supposed to do to feed themselves and their ``often illegitimate`` children. Glory be to such an Allah, who cares to look the other way while he has unleashed such dastards to wreck havoc on women in the name oif HIS ISLAM.

Perhaps the much disparaged Nietzsche was right after all. God is dead!or at least HE does not give a damn about the debacle his ummah(consisting solely of Pakistanis and Afghanistanis) is heading.

Sincerely,

Asim

Mahim ``the wanker`` Maher:

Here is a re-do of your poem; hope you like it:

I lay heaving

on a heavy Friday night.

A Chiquita banana

in my left hand

and a 2 liter Coke bottle

sittin on my right.

Banana turns mushy

with the heat in my tushy,

but my end is no where in sight.

Channel 40 is soft porn

otherwise I would`ve known

about the new devices

that fill the crevices

and turn wanking into an absolute delight.

RE: # 27

[``4.Everybody wanks off, including girls.``]

No. No way. I don`t believe this!!

Sadna, could this possibly be true??

Mahim,

Some get it some don`t. Just the way it is.

You said: Everyone wanks off, even girls.

Agreed, but very few whack off to scrambled blue-green pay per view porn. Pimplefaced snotnosed thirteen-year-old housesitting boys come to mind :). The image of a woman jerking off on Friday night to wavy blue green pornstars accompanied by that unique background music may evoke nostalgia, mirth, sadness & celebration at the same time but.... girl, you gotta (your first person protagonist that is...not you per se) go get yourself some videos or DVDs!

I know some good web sites. Your (your first person protagonist that is...not you per se) credit card will be discretely billed to Executive Entertainment Inc. :)

Latif Chappu.

Masturbation Rules!

FOR WOMEN:

3-point shot

Air the orchid

Audition the finger puppets

Buff the beaver

Couch hockey for one

Dialing the Rotary Phone

Douse the digits

Erase the problem (cuz you rub `til it comes off)

Fan the fur

Feed the bearded clam

Fingerpainting

Get a Lube job

Get a Date with Slick Mittens

Grab the goatee

Grope the grotto

Hee-Haw with wrinkled Mee-Maw

Hitchhiking South

Jill off

Jocelyn Eldering

Leglock the pillow

Let your fingers do the walking

Nulling the Void

Polishing the Peanut

Play the Clitar

Ride slidesaddle

Rride the unicycle

Soaking the Whisker Biscuit

Squeeze the Peach

Strumming the Banjo

Surfing the Channel

Shuck the oyster

Stinky the pinky

Stir the yogurt

Stuff the taco

Test the plumbing

Thumb the button

Two Finger Taco Tango

Visit Father Fingers

Wax the carrot Checking for Squirrels

FOR MEN:

Answer the Bone-A-Phone

Assault on a Friendly Weapon

Batting Practice

Bash The Candle

Beating the Bishop

Bludgeon the Beefsteak

Boppin` your Bologna

Box the Jesuit

Calling Down For More Mayo

Charm the Cobra

Choke your Chicken

Clean your Rifle

Crank the Shank

Doodle Your Noodle

Drain the Dragon

Drain the Monster

Five Knuckle Olympics

Flogging the Dolphin

Flute Solo

Giving the John Hancock

Holding Your Sausage Hostage

Hone your Bone

Jiggle the Jewelry

Launching the Hand Shuttle

Making the Bald Guy Puke

Mangle the Midget

Manipulate the Mango

Meeting with Palmala Handerson

One Handed Clapping

Paint the Pickle

Pat the Robertson

Roughing up the Suspect

Rounding Up the Tadpoles

Slammin` the Salami

Slappin` Pappy

Spank your Monkey

Squeezing the Burrito

Staff Meeting

Yank your Crank

Have Fun (I dont mean it that way ;))

Latif Chappu

Zahra #33:

Your post finally brought the smile of the day:)

Will add this to the top of the KIND OF WOMEN TO AVOID. E&OE! (Been out of that circuit for such a long time that if I were to write memoirs they would begin with once upon a time----this for the boss’ eyes!:)

1: The fast eye-lash blinking with soft sighs. Lots of blinking interspersed with barely audible sighs. In the beginning totally, utterly un-readable. And misleading! And how!

And for the MEN TO AVOID FOR LESS THAN OBVIOUS REASONS I can add the obvious:

1: Hazrat Mowlana Omar-Clone. Oozing sincerity. Very protective. Not listening nor understanding no means no. When confronted or protested will readily quote certain injunctions of divine origin citing permission granted to the believers for marital rape....ouch!

still smiling,

t

Okay, T, you force me to speak in public...

Taken without the title, it is a very gender-neutral piece. The narrator could be male OR female. Did Mahim or the Chowk staff make up the title?

I don`t think this poem should be raising all the issues of ``freedom of speech`` and ``Girls shouldn`t do that`` that it seems to be. Freedom of speech seems a moot point to me, especially here on Chowk. I remember when the article about Pakistanis discussing sex on the phone came out, people were equally defensive/supportive/critical.

BUT I think all the personal comments in the interacts about the author (the alternative poems, comments on personal habits etc.) are in rather bad taste. If she wrote a poem about stealing, would you automatically call her a thief and assume she had stolen? (Mahim`s assertion that ALL girls w_nk aside.) Finally, what does this subject matter evoke in people that they have to start name-calling and all the other stupidities?

By the way, Irving Layton`s poetry is very good, though rather more explicit than Neruda. If you are easily offended, don`t go there.

Dear Farangi Kush,#34

You mentioned Columbus ‘discovering’ the Americas which got my head spinning. Are you aware of the other theory too? I use theory because I’m still learning.

Are you aware of a Muslim navigator by the name of Khashkhash Ibn Saeed Ibn Aswad of Cordoba, Spain, who set sail from Delba (Palos) in 889 CE or Ibn Farrukh of Granada, who began his journey from Kadesh in February 999 CE? How about the traveller, Shaikh Zayn-eddine Ali ben Fadhel Al-Mazandarani, or the famous cartographer and geographer by the name of Al-Sharif Al Idrisi? There are so many more names that I could give but at the present moment, there is no point.

How about the canary Island of Guanahani (named by the natives) renamed by Columbus in 12.10.1492 as San Salvador. Guanahani in Modern Arabic is Guana (Ikhwana = brothers) and Hani is a name, i.e. Hani Brothers.

Sorry for bursting in with this. It’s just that I got excited by what you said. And finally, this is just a very small piece but I’m sure it will bring a smile to your face…

Columbus, on his 2nd Voyage was shown spears by the Indians of Espanola (Haiti) that were tipped with a yellow metal the Indians called Guanine.

Columbus took this guanine to Spain and had it tested. The Guanine was 18 parts gold, 6 parts silver and 8 parts copper. Crazy as this sounds, this was the same alloy produced in African metal shops of Guinea, part of the North African Islamic Empire.

Guanine is a word of West African derivation meaning ‘gold alloy.’ The Arabic word, ‘ghinaa’ is also related to this and means wealth.

Take care and best wishes.

Umer Murtaza Phoenix.

.......... why all this hubhub about some silly little limerick ?..... i have seen better stuff sitting on the toilet at a truck stop ...... and don`t you know that this practice leads to blindness and eternal damnation ? ... may satan have mercy on your rotten little souls .... stop it ! now !

=== Interact Filtered ===
view this users filtered interacts

Bina # 41

I agree.

But it is poetess` responsibility (more than reader`s)to be explicit about her intentions. Her comment #8 in her last post makes it very political and `infringing on religion` issue. She must understand that if there was any opposition/critique to her work, it was due to the quality of her work and to some extent the content (not the political and religious side (there aint none)of it but the decency). She must not snap back at her readers and blame them for being biasd against her.

Mahim....

Get a life rather than this vibrator up ur -----

DHUH!

Thanks Bina.

Personal attacks and ribald permutations on my poem seem to be very popular at Chowk.

I did have the good fortune to study abroad. That should not be held against me or anyone else. As for my comment that I would like to help Pakistani society, how do you know I am not already? And why does everyone take it upon themselves to judge my supposed social contributions or lack thereof?

I do not wonder how each poem `helps` Pakistan when I write it. I just write as the words come.

As Pakistanis we certainly do not need the awards of Canadian universities to justify or applaud our writing. But I am proud of the fact that I did represent Pakistan in that way at the University. I used some poems to enlighten people I met there about Pakistani Culture. Why are some comments so xenophobic then? Xenophobia does not equal patriotism. it means narrow mindedness.

Irving Layton might have written what many consider obscene poems, but sending work in for an award doesn`t mean you have to write like Irving Layton himself.

And just as I feel my

end is near

when I almost merge

with the two onscreen...

...you are there,

banging

my

door

down.



so what did that person find you with....coke,pepsi bottle.....before you ended up in Jinnah hospital?

Omarphoenix:#43

Thank you for the info.

Nothing is a ``theory``.This ``methodology`` of finding & reporting facts somehow elevates the university type to a brahmin/mullah/priest level.

Some of them are knowingly intellectually corrupt,which thus aggravates their crime.This ignorance coupled with authority is the greatest curse upon us today.

Anybody,even the most ``uneducated``/``backward`` can hold an opinion/conviction.If the ``educated`` one does not understand something it is not anybodys fault.

This is simply written to chip away at the tyrrany & hegemony that our ``learned`` ones exercise.

__________________________________________________

All the west coast of Africa has similar local names.Guinea,Ghana----till recently Gold Coast,Ivory Coast[the english raison .. for their `appreciation`].

Until recently,A guniea was the name of the purest Gold Pound coin.

__________________________________________________

Idrisi was no doubt the greatest cartographer.His maps are still amazingly accurate/detailed.Incidentally they also show the American continent.

Columbus got hold of some maps from Portugal,which really had become a navigational hub because of Prince Henry`s deep interest in the subject.

In those days map makers were a wile bunch(they had to) because they did not want illegal copies of their efforts made.So they incorporated either extra info or omitted some key info to lead astray.

It was important to have the cartographer around to ``explain`` the map once a voyage charter was granted & the map-maker duly acknowledged.

Columbus was lucky to run into one of these & he ran away to Spain with them-----ever fearful for his life!

__________________________________________________

Columbus`s own diaries record his observations that the caribs of the Islands which he ``discovered`` dressed & performed similar acts of worship as he had seen among the muslim moors of Africa.He talks about veiled muslim women & turbanned muslim men in another ship sailing by.

Columbus exterminated EACH & EVERY person of this heritage from ALL the islands.

__________________________________________________

``My name is Mahir Abdal Razzaaq el and I am a Cherokee Blackfoot American Indian who is Muslim.I am known as Eagle Sun Walker.I serve as Pipe Carrier warrior for the Northeastern Band of Cherokee Indians in New York city.There are many muslims in our group.

For the most part,not many people are aware of the Native American contact with Islam that began

over a thousand years ago by some of the early muslim travellers who visited us.

The Peace Treaties,such as one on Delaware River in 1787 bear the signatures of AbdelKhak and Muhammad Ibn Abdullah.All these documents are in the National Archives or Library of Congress.

If you have access to records in the state of South Carolina,read the Moore Sundry Act of 1790.

Almost all the tribes vocabulary include the word Allah.The last Cherokee chief who had a muslim name was Ramadhan Ibn Wati in 1866.

Cities across the US & Canada bear names that are of native & Islamic derivation.Tallahasse,for example,means Allah will deliver you sometime in future.

Etc,etc,etc..........``

( an excerpt from Digging for the red roots,by Mahir Abdul-Razzaq El.)--------courtesy the Message,July 1996.

__________________________________________________

Omar:

This is a very fascinating subject & Pakistani Muslims must be made aware of such lost treasures.

You would be happy to know that the State of Gibraltar has printed a currency note with the picture of the Muslim Conqueror of Gibraltar---the Jabal el Tarique----Tarique bin Ziad.

Pass it on.

__________________________________________________

wassalaam.

Surprised that perverted shrink hasn`t shown up and devoured this board yet.

Re: Mahim and

``As for my comment that I would like to help Pakistani society, how do you know I am not already?``

Agreed. But why mention it so specifically as if you are going out of your way to make a contribution of epic proportions. Islam suggests that one helps another fellow, in need or contributes something to somebody the left hand should not learn of what was given through the right hand.

Creativity without context is a pitfall. You feel ever so proud to represnt Pakistan at some nameless ``canadian`` university, by presenting sub par, unoriginal, poems, which have no literaray basis at all. Serves to show the rather dismal taste and standards of such a forum.

This has nothing to do with religion or taboos. The diatribe you are being forced to listen to is on account of your heavy-handedness and arrogance in dealing with the replies; not for a moment taking the time to realise that your masterpiece might not actually be worth of being called literature much less art.

Perhaps it would be advisable to not wear you heart on a sleeve in terms of contributing to Pakistani society, while juxtaposing your adolescent cravings, onto unsuspecting readers. Granted according to you everybody wanks; Not everybody wants to glorify it to new and previously unscaled heights of notoriety,

Sincerely,

Asim

Mahim:

That was a nice little gem of a poem. Don`t worry about the naysayers. Most of the time they are either incomprehensible (get help studebaker), and at others they are akin to the corner mosque mullah who find Islam in danger at the mere sight of a sleeveless female. Maybe they should be given a map by Idrisi and allowed to set sail in their tiny rowboats to discover new Islands.........

later

-sac

Mahim

I guess your commnet re contributions to society in your earlier piece - was seen in a hallowed light. Nice peom - but frankly without the suggestive title - would not have been able to make the connection. Thouhg I wonder what people`s reaction would have been had this poem been written by a man and was titled ``Porn for Boys``.

Hi Mahim!...I am not a big fan of poetry in free verse (whether in Urdu or English or Farsi or any other language) preferring rhyming prose but i do not see what the hullaballoo is all about just because your subject was about an activity which many in our community indulge in but do not like to talk about it; and though it is naive of me, i never thought that muslim girls from pakistan would wank off...)

Personally, I think that it is not vey becoming to discuss such private matters in public but what you do in the privacy of your own bedroom is your own business...;-) As for those people who are saying/himting that you are not a Muslim becoz you admit to masturbating (or certainly writing about it)...come on! Traditional Islam, unlike modern paki society, has discussed all matters sexual openly and frankly as being a complete code of life it legislates on all things and sex is a major human activity. The blessed ulama have also discussed this matter and the general ruling is that though it is generally not encouraged, and considered haram, it is considered better than doing zina (but inferior to controlling ones appetite by fasting) and the Hanafis have said that in some circumstances, if one is weak, it might even be necessary (if for example you have a lot of sexual energy and no halal means of dissipating it --i.e. a husband) or if your hisband/wife is far away from you and you feel the need for sex then it is better for you to wank than to commit adultery. And Allah knows best.

Yraditional Islam is v. candid about female sexuality (just read the hadith!) and some of the greatest ulama have written treatises on how to enhance ones love-making and the various positions, techniques, etc.

The great Jalal uddin Suyuti rahmatullah alayhi wrote EIGHT separate books on this topic!

The great Proof of Islam Imam Ghazzali discusses in a v. candid way how to ensure that the woman reaches orgasm as well so as not to deny her her right...subhan Allah!

It is our shame that we do not KNOW Islam; unfortunately, the trend amongst our so-called elite and ruling class is to mock islam and its ulama based on an insufficient and biased view (aped from the western media)!

To summarise, you seem like a talented writer and that is good :-) But it is better to not discuss such private matters in public as a Muslim....

welcome to Chowk!!! And may Allah give you a Muslim husband who can satisfy all yuor sexual needs (and you his)!!! That is also a part of being a good Muslim. (BTw in shar`iat it is allowed to wank off your partner till he/she comes. A person asked Imam Abu Hanifa about it and he [rahmatullah alayhi] replied that it is allowed and may those who do it get great reward for it.)

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

May Allah forgive me any mistakes. ameen.

Re: Latif Chappu, #36

Where did you get this? If you wrote it, you are a genius (seriously.) I liked it so much that I copied it and e-mailed it to few people. It is not only humorous but is stunning in its straightforwardness, unlike that obscure ``Porn for Girls`` that beats around the bush (excuse the pun) and doesn`t get anywhere.

Asif #56

You said that Islam encouraged frank discussion of sexuality and that Rumi had written eight books on the topic. Then you said that it is unbecoming to talk of such matters publicly, as a Muslim. Sounds contradictory to me. If the religion is open about it as are other religious people, why should only Mahim not be open about masturbation???

=== Interact Filtered ===
view this users filtered interacts

Asif Naqshbandi #56,

Toba astagfarullah!

In your shariah/hadith-loving/etc etc fundamental Islam, it`s haram to talk about such things with members of the opposite sex who aren`t married to you.

Please refrain from such ``shaitaani`` postings.

Alhaj Asif Naqshbandi porno waley:

Kindly provide us some guidance in the light of Quran and Sunnah. What should one do if ones partner(lets limit this to wife/husband for now) doesn`t satisfy ones sexual urges? Did any of the six Muslim Kama Sutras mention any remedies short of ice and vaseline?

respectfully

-sac

Mahim: Listen to the Maulana. No more poetry for you till a bearded pabind-i-saum-o-salat significant other arrives in your hedonistic life!!

To discuss matters does not mean you have to discuss them on a public forum.

It was not Rumi but Imam Suyuti who i said wrote the islamic love making texts.

Please do not twist my words.

and i am not a mawlana but a sinful, weak, muslim in need of the duas of the righteous.

There is no ``sharm`` in shar`iaH matters..but you have to talk about it with the right people.

Even Freud`s greatest critics (in his field; ie--not laypeople who havent read him & call him a pervert) agree with his basic theory of human sexuality. His genious lay in the fact that he was the first person who theorised how the human sexual instinct matures from infancy to puberty.

God has given every NORMAL human a sexual instinct. That instinct is as normal & essential as eating, drinking & defecating. The survival of a species is dependant on it. Prudes generally get offended by Freud because he says it so matter of factly. To make matters worse, when Freud first proposed his theories to the scientific world, it was during the Victorian era--when Britain (& Europe as a whole) was extremely prudish & considered it very bad manners to talk about such things in ``civilised`` society. You can imagine how society reacted to him. Even his mentors, who had previously recognised his genious, denounced him publicly. Despite that, his basic theory (albeit with numerous revisions) is universally accepted by analysts.

Human sexual instinct is present right from birth. From birth to puberty, it goes through several stages of maturation. When an infant puts a rattle in its mouth, its expressing its sexual instinct. At that stage in life, the mouth is the ``erotogenous`` zone. These erotogenous zones the change as the human being matures from an infant to adulthood. Thats why you have the oral, anal, phallic ,latency & finally the genital phase of normal adult sexuality. I dont want to go into details because it would take hours.

When a person says he/she has NEVER masterbated, its as ridiculous as saying he/she has never defecated! Mind you, that person is NOT lying. He/she is not conciously aware of it. We humans have an inbuilt ``censor`` mechanism called ``repression`` that automatically ``banishes`` thoughts that are offensive to our sensibilities or our moral percepts. The more prudish a person is, the stronger the repression. Hence, the more neurotic he/she becomes. We hardly ever see any typical cases of ``hysteria`` these days, in the US. In societies where sex is not talked about openly, ``hysteria`` cases (as described by Frued in his case presentations) are still seen frequently.

Saxena,

Satisfied! I could go on & on. But I took your advice & made some friends & am going skiing this weekend. So I`m going to miss your insults. Sigh,too bad,I enjoy them.

you can contact me...any time.. for your needs ..

reply.. fabs@zeenext.com

fabs

THE POEM WAS NOT ABOUT ME!!

This poem was meant to make people laugh. It is about a girl watching scrambled porn, which is rather pathetic because she doesn`t pay for it. Then someone, her lover perhaps, arrives at the doorway and disturbs her. Its that simple.

However, the enjambment or the line breaks are supposed to create a sense of suspense and surprise at each turn, which is one of the pleasures of free verse I tried here.

Wearing your heart on your sleeve is not a crime. And when I write back I do not snap at my readers. What about the readers who have called me Mahim Wanker Maher? People get really nasty on chowk which I am learning to get used to.

You don`t like the poem, that`s fine. It won`t appeal to everyone. It was not meant to be a serious poem.

You don`t think its literary. I never claimed it was The Inferno.

You don`t think it`s art. That`s a fine opinion.

Just laugh when you read it. That was what I did when I wrote it.

Mahim.

I had sent an errata posting about the name mix up,right after my other response. It didn`t make it on here yet.

My point still stands. People write books for public consumption. This web site is for public consumption. Why is writing about sex in one medium, okay, but not the other?

I never said you were a mawlana but since you saw fit to ask Mahim not to write about such things on a public forum, I believe I have a right to ask for clarification. Right?

So, please tell me.

hi mahim! I agree with you that people are a bit uptight on Chowk about matters sexual! It is a common Pakistani failing...

Wanking is one of the most pleasurable activities!

There are those who admit to it and then there are liars (amongst normal humans); it seems our people have a problem with it!

And is that anecdote about the coke bottles really true?

take care

keep on writing on Chowk!

Mahim Reply #: 65

My ``nasty`` reaction was to your post # 27 and not to the poem itself. Please re-read your posting and you might realize why.

Mahim:

Or is mayhem? Just thought should tell you that was a great write up on `Brackish Gate`. Would have sent the kudos letter there but have tried in the past and found their system is partial to psedonymns. And, ofcourse, I don`t have a life outside.....:)

lve,

t

Shankar

I thought the world is now even beyond Jung(s). Gosh! I hope you dont prescribe beating and hanging upside down to your patients as a treatment.

Re : Mahim

One has to become slightly thick-skinned to deflect off the mostly adhominem attacks over here at Chowk. Its very easy to drag the personality of the writer, for many Pakistanis, as opposed to keping their evaluation focussed solely on their writings.

You dont have to get all worked up, about the ridiculous, abusive namecalling; or to get worked up enough that you respond in kind by generalising.

Taboos in our society are bigger than the size of some cathedrals. Our egos being even bigger. Its difficult for some of us(not mysefl personally, mind you :)) to see a western educated young woman writing about masturbation. It lends credence to their myopic views about the stereotypcial western woman, who is willing to get it ``on`` with any Tom, Dick and Harry;, a view built up by repeated exposure to the very blue porn movies which you wrote about. Ironic that such movies ar watched by the ``ye old faithful``, natuarlly in isolation from the females of the clan;

Hypocrisy knows no bounds! Yet, I was not moved by the poem, its aafter all a personal opinion. I am not a literay critic by any stretch of the imagination, even after having read the Times literary supplemnt for a long time. One does not become a pilot just by reading the flying manuals. You see :) But i know what appeals to me and what does not. So dont take it seriously. Opinions will vary. Youc ant please people all the time, even if you were an ``angel``; Not that i am doubting for a moment, that you are not :).

Keep writing, but be selctive in what you print here. As it is, this level of interaction is pretty cutting age for us token ``liberal`` Pakistanis.

Sincerely,

Asim

Re: shrink

Another pot of the obvious from you. Do you have an original bone in your body?

Re: Spout

Are you allowed to be reading material of adult nature such as that on this board? Isn`t it against your ``morals?``

To Mahim and to old Chowkies.(A politically incorrect post)

There was a time when chowk.COM had yet to Make It. That was the time when people like sifwan bina saima shandana arif etc etc. were on the mainstay. The discussions here were normally revolved around the writer`s Work rather than his/her own person. Labelling each other was simply unheard of.(although i know its a Desi dilemma specially at the West-End of the Des)

But then times have changed, so Mahim brace yourself for more religious/nationalistic(patriotic?) trash on these Boards.

bugger off!

=== Interact Filtered ===
view this users filtered interacts

and realizng that she stands on a slippery field,mahim takes a tangent and says it was a humorous poem.

hahahahahaa:)

what a loser:)

=== Interact Filtered ===
view this users filtered interacts

Re: Godot

No dude, I didnt come up with those myself. Most of them are already in common circulation.

Do a search in google for `Masturbation Terms` and you`ll get to see many more!

Now if you`ll excuse me I have to indulge in a little bit of:

BaayeN Haath Ka Khel

Apna Haath Jagannath

Pocket Table Tennis

Khoodkhooshi

MooThia Maaring

Hastha Maithoon

Naag Pooja

IksaTh BaaNsaTh (61,62)

Pandavas V. Shakuni

Ling Vadh

LETTER TO MYSELF

Yaar temporal:

Are you not amazed at the irony?

The other day on another board you wrote,``....and no mention of sampada, mausala, gramye, ratiposha, lataveshta, shankha or splitting bamboo....`` and there was nary a murmur or even a solitary whimper by the usual righteouos brigade!

And here at this solitary display of safe sex in these dire times all hell is let loose on the messenger.

(Zair-e-dafa teen so dou, taazirat-e-Hind/Pak mujrima ko phaansi ki saza di jati hay. Allah Allah khair sallah!)

What a display of displaced Victorian disprudence!

What irony, you ask?

With sex, we practice but tolerate little writing about it.

With religion, we practice little but write in abundance!

yours etc.,

the other temporal

......... in the words of the great pornographer :

``We are all guilty of crime the great crime of not living life to the full.

But we are all potentially free.

We can stop thinking of what we have failed to do and do whatever lies within our power.

What those powers that are in us may be no one has truly dared to imagine.

That they are infinite we will realize the day we admit to ourselves that imagination is everything.

Imagination is the voice of daring.``

- Henry Miller

Jawahara #66

Everybody has a right to write whatever he/she can.

But everything is not published.

You probably will be aware by now that selection of article is done by Chowk Staff and not the writer.

It is useless to blame Mahim. What about my five year old writing for PUBLIC Consumption.

It only denotes the standard and taste of Chowk staff regarding literature.

Have you ever heard of self proclaimed Messiah.

hamidm sahib,

I`ve been meaning to add my voice to those that have praised your superlative satire... Now I must commend you on that reproduction of Henry Miller as well.

You enliven and enrich the interacts as few others can. For which I guess we are indebted to Asif and Urstruly, amongst others :)

do keep posting!

P.

Not that this is related, but...

There is an 18-yo recent immgrant to the US who is going through some serious identity crises,and (I think) is need of some cultural lifelines and emotional support as she deals with some scary issues. She is from the Jackson Heights area. If anyone knows where she could find such help, pleae email me postmatser@yahoo.com.

Thanks,

P.M

Mahem,

It is indeed a daring poem. There are a lot of taboos in our society, people don`t wanna talk about them, yet in their heart every one knows how pervasive these are. I think its lack of tolerance and religious hegemony that has turned our society so hypocrite. Its sad that instead of talking about the subject, people have started personal attacks on you, many of them may even masturbate too!

But I still think you should have some sort of priorities. Sex is not the biggest issue for our society, what about socio-economic injustice, suffering of the poor, poverty and injustice. I guess u have heard this debate of ``art for society`` or ``art for art`s sake``. When Manto wrote ``Thanda Gosht`` he was prosecuted for using obscene language, and surprisingly Faiz criticized him too, on the grounds that there are more pressing issues to deal with in literature than liberating sex in society. True. There should be freedom of expression, but responsibility for our society too

PM #84
This maynot be what you are looking for, but some organisations listed here in NY/NJ Area:
www.maitri.org/resources/index.html
www.manavi.org

R-sux-haina? #73 ``Are you allowed to be reading material of adult nature such as that on this board? Isn`t it against your ``morals?``

Oh no! You should have stopped me or warned me.

You see, I didn`t have glasses on when I clicked on the title, I thought it read ``Corn for Girls,`` and I love Corn, so I thought why not?

Now I have to jump in the river Ganges to absolve myself of my sins and perhaps catch a few diseases to help repent.

For all you male idiots bugging Mahim for writing this harmless poem:

I`m sure your wives and girlfriends are doing the same thing, so go ``bang their doors down.``

Mahim,

Please ignore these ``righteous`` morons. Had a guy written this poem, they`d be agreeing, chuckling, and sharing stories etc.

It seems to me that we have turned into a nation of critics. All we do is criticize and point fingers at others. Mahim wrote a poem that seems to have raised quite a few eyebrows simply because it talks about a rather taboo subject. Granted that her style was nothing to write home about but then perhaps thats the way she interprets things. Its shocking the way `we liberal desis` treat new writers on chowk. When you don`t like something, criticize all you want but criticism does not necessarily have to be so harsh. Sheheryar, studebaker, Aristotle and the likes...if you all think you can write better than this, then please by all means go ahead coz I would certainly like to see you all do something `creative` (does the word ring a bell?) apart from the usual name-calling and filth that you all seem to be putting up on these message boards. Perhaps you all should give it a rest cuz its getting really really FAST!!!

krashid

I fail to get your point. Most written material, including the others who wrote texts on sexuality and Islam go through some kind of editorial process, except the Quran I suppose.

So did Mahim`s poet. Are you saying chowk editors need to act as censors of subject matter?

Just because material goes through an editorial process does not make it not a publicly consumed piece. Most things we read, including newspapers and magazine articles, all publicly consumed material, have all gone through a selection and an editorial process.

If your five year old has talent, s/he should defintely be published.

I trust the chowk staff`s literary taste and views more than that of the mullah brigage which is destroying priceless historical artifacts even as we speak, all in the name of what people can be *exposed * to.

I also don`t understand your self proclaimed Messiah comment/question.

Please elaborate on your points because I am still at sea and cannot see what you are talking about.

When mindless bigots jump upon you, you can not be far off the mark.

Stay your course, Mahim. Write what you like. You make a contribution simply by being creative, by being open-minded.

You can not `explain` anything to closed minds. Don`t try to.

Ignore them.

Scout: Post # 86

:-)

Re: scout

``Now I have to jump in the river Ganges...``

No, no. You should do no such kafir things. Go to mecca and bury your head in the sand and bathe with a camel.

Re: scout, #86

Scout, you have a great sense of humor. I like your style! Sometimes you say it so well!

Your post #87: Agree with you 100%.

Latif Chappu, #75

Dude, I give you credit for putting it together. It takes imagination (no pun intended). Loved the second take as well!

Re: sharayar, #77

``she stands on a slippery field``

It is not a ``she`` who stands on a slippery field, it`s a ``he.`` [I`ll let you figure that one out.]

Re: Mahim Maher

Mahim, I want you to know that none of my posts here is directed towards you. I`m only responding to some of the posts in this thread. I hope you don`t take me the wrong way.

To me, you are very bright and intelligent. You know so many languages and can express your thoughts in them so well. Not everyone can do that. Women like you make me proud of Pakistan. Be what you are and keep writing for Chowk. You`ll have many fans. One thing I learned long time ago is that you cannot please everyone. The best way to be is be yourself.

Sadna,

Thanks.

Rsuxena #92, ``Go to mecca and bury your head in the sand and bathe with a camel.``

That`s much much better than bathing in millions of people`s germs, urine, and God knows what...

Camels are beautiful animals by the way.