Lets Destroy The Bamiyan Buddhas!

krashid #165, sigalph235 #173

krashid wrote, ``That is why Compaign finance reform is a demand of Democrats mainly. Because once the influence of money is gone, democrats will find it easy to win the election because of their position on social issues, minorities, workers right, enviornment etc which appeals to majority of people``

really? take a look at this:

``Key Democrat to vote against campaign finance bill``

http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/03/14/breaux.mccain/index.html

the article writes, ``...Democrats say after reading the language more carefully they believe banning so-called ``soft money`` would put Democrats at a disadvantage.``

...like i said before, for all their rhetoric, democrats will vote against mccain campaign finance reform more vehemently then the republicans. not for the right reason -- that it would violate the 1st ammendment -- but b/c democrats are too addicted to special interest ``soft money`` donations from unions and the like.

krashid, you said the republicans are the party of the rich and democrats are the party of the minorities but you`re just brainwashed by democratic propaganda.

a more accurate generalization would be that the republicans are the party of ideas (individual liberty, small government, markets, etc.) and democrats are the party of identity politics (for democrats, you are not an individual, but a member of a voting block -- asian, african-american, female, etc. -- and the only way to get your vote is to keep you ignorant (that`s why they`re against education reform!) and dependent on gov. through high taxation and welfare programs).

if you don`t agree with this, ask yourself what are democratic ideas? traditonally democrats from franklin roosevelt to lyndon johnson had socialistic ideas of income redistribution (social security) to welfare, but socialism has been a catastrophic failure (look at india) and this has left the democrats with no ideas. clinton knew this and talked like a conservative. al gore isn`t as good a liar and became an embarrassment to his party last year. at present, the best democrats can do is to simply oppose republican ideas. republicans want a tax cut? democrats say we should pay down the debt -- not b/c they believe debt reduction is better then giving people back their money, but simply b/c they have nothing else to say and can`t bring themselves to acknowledge that republicans are right.

unile the the current democrats, whether you agree or disagree, republicans have a view -- that individual liberty, small government, and a free market are the only way to prosperity. the best democrats usually do is to say something like ``we are for X`` where X can be minorities or poor people or whatever -- but it means nothing. the democrats are populists. they just try and say what they think an ignornant population wants to hear.

To All It May Concern!

I have decided after careful thinking that I will from now on severely limit the amount of interaction I do on Chowk.Though i will probably continue to read the articles I will only reply now if i think it is truly necessary. For life is short and I must worry about myself more and preparing for the Afterlife instead of wasting valuable time here debating with others. All I will say to those who call themselves Muslims on here is as some sincere advice i urge you from my heart to study the aqidah of the Ahle SunnaH w`al Jama`at with an open mind and may Allah give you and me all the tawfeeq to accept it. ameen. To the non-Muslims i will say peace, for you your religion for me mine: I hope you will read the following books: Muhammad (sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam) -His Life Based on the Earliest Sources by Martin Lings and And Muhammad Is His Messenger: Veneration of the Prophet in Islamic Piety by Anne-Marie Schimmel. In addition I urge all Muslims to read Ash-Shifa` by Qadi Ayad al Maliki translated by Aisha AbdurRahman Bewley.

Some websites I recommend also (for all)

www.sunnah.org

www.nfie.com

www.alahazrat.net

www.masud.co.uk

well...that`s it i guess. wa salaamu alaa manitaba al Huda (and peace be upon those who are rightly guided.)

Praise be to Allah Lord of The Worlds and Peace and Blessings Be Upon Our Master Sayyidina Muhammad al Mustafa The Beloved of Allah and His Illustrious Companions, each and every one of them, His Pure Family and Household, His Chaste Wives, His Awliya e Kamileen and all His righteous followers till the Day of Judgement.

abd al Mustafa

Asif

More cut-n-paste..

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Taliban say they will spare Hindu statues: KABUL, Mar 14 : Foreign minister of the ruling Taliban movement said today they would not smash idols of the minority Hindu population in their campaign to eliminate statues from Afghanistan. ``There are a limited number of Hindus and Sikhs in Afghanistan with their temples,`` Wakil Ahmad Muttawakil told a news conference. ``Their statues will not be smashed as they are worshipping them as part of their religious rituals. (Reuters)

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I wonder if this adds to the theorizing that the Buddhas were destroyed because of the Taliban being pissed off at noone even acknowledging their eradication of the poppy plantations (amusing that someone should rant about their poppy cultivation..).

Interesting article from Nasim Zehra. Nasim, along with Ayaz Amir, in my opinion, are the two best journalists in Pakistan. They usually come up with very insightful analyses, quite a bit different from the generic stuff that most journalists come up with. Nasim was a senior member of Imran Khan`s party. She left due to a difference of principles:

``Why the Buddha bashing?

Nasim Zehra

Beyond the controversial and widely unacceptable religious justification that the Afghan government has given for destroying the Buddha statues, there is need to examine this unfortunate development more closely. While the Taliban`s literalist interpretation of Islam shaped by their education and traditions has always been apparent in their government`s social policies, why did they not opt for the destruction of these statues earlier?

They have after all been in power for the last five years. More significantly, only last year, this very Taliban government invited Nancy Dupree, a veteran American anthropologist, to inaugurate the Kabul museum. After restoring some of the Buddha statues and pulling out others from the basement, the museum was re-opened after more than two decades. Why then this sudden war on the Buddhas?`` (NEWS, Pakistan)

http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/index.html

Savages- there are barbarians at the gate!

Re: Hazrat Naqshbandi (ra)

I am supposed to change my mind after reading all that crap you posted. You don`t need to prove again and again that your misc. Shaikh ul Islam`s are idiots of the highest order. I already know that. Considering Ali superior to Abu Bakr makes you a Kafir? What`s wrong with that you jackass? A person can`t choose which sahabi he/she likes the best. I find Ali`s personality much better than Abu Bakr and Usman (a comparison with Umar is tougher). How can that be an insult to Abu Bakr or Usman. Do you know that at Jamal al-Zubair b. al-Awam and Tallah ibn. Ubaydullah fought against Ali b. Abi Talib. Do you know that all three are what we consider as ushra mubashira. Do you know that their armies consisted of sahabies who took sides. That there was carnage which resulted in the deaths of hundreds of sahaba including al-Zubair and Tallah. These were all sahabies who butchered each other. They did`nt call each other Kafirs in that extreme situation-who in the hell are you and these so-called shaykh-ul-islams to call anyone Kafir. They should be called shaykh-ul-jehalat. You have never come up with a decent reliable source. All you do is quote some idiot`s ridiculous fatwa or refer to hizmet books. If you want to make an argument come with reliable historic sources to back your arguments.

This is relatively recent history and is very well documented-You don`t need to go to some shaykh (who probably spent most of his life scratching his balls, eating halwa and worrying over whether doing his misc. wives doggy-style would be islamic or unislamic), you can look up this stuff in a history book yourself.

re asif n

If brevity is the soul of wit, then you have little. I read your references going back to a long line of long dead men from centuries past by and wonder if you have any original thought at all.

You attach strange and long winded titles before and honorofics at the end of every name you revere. Pray tell, did these gentleman address each other the same way? If they did I am glad that there was no parliament then-imagine the length of the debates when the Speaker called on the Breaker of Statues, Conqueror of Heathens, Glory of Muslims, Invader of Iraq, the Rightly Guided, Right Honorable, Defeneder of the Faithful Hazrat so-and-so Rahmatullah Alaihe etc etc to answer the question on beheading of converts from the Light of the Faithful, Glory of the Rightly Guided, Sword of Truth, Leader of the Scholars Hazrat so-and-so Rahmatulah Alaihe.

It is sad to see that you enjoy the pure blessings of liberty and free speech only in an attempt to deny it to others should you have your way. While as an idealistic student I was apalled to see the elctions in Algeria annulled, your posts confirm my realism that it was the right thing to do. Hitler used democracy to destroy freedom, Khomeini did the same. NEVER AGAIN!

Dear Asif:

Why my last post (Reply # 192) did not deserve your attention/reply? Please explain.

Sincerely, Bilal Ahmad

sigalph235 #235

``You attach strange and long winded titles before and honorofics at the end of every name you revere``

HA HA HA!

I hope he doesn`t stop doing that. I have been laughing to my heart`s content everytime I read this nonsense.

Reminds me of a movie in which a fraudelent character went around as Something Something Sri Sri 420. I just didn`t know there were so many of such characters outside India too.

Now, let me go and laugh some more :)

Harish 3 #

I am not here to argue with you.

Neither I am much interested in this debate of democrat vs Republican.

But my point of view is correct and your wrong is the last analysis of mine.

Bye Bye.

AhmedB #112

I think both point of view are correct.

Turning the blind eye to famine stricken people and making hue and cry for Buddha is shame.

That is being done to handover Osama Bin Laden. What is the guarantee that after handing over Osama Bin Laden West will stop supporting dictatorship in Arabian countries in contradiction to the demands of people for elected Government. Oil is always more important than democracy till 11;45 pm on 3/14/01 in Texas.

(I also believe that Taliban should take care of their people. But does two wrong make a right. My maths is weak)

re harish 216

Right on brother! The Democratic Leadership is scared of any tax cuts for one simple reason: it goes to benefit the most working poor and wean them away from the all encompassing welfare state created by LBJ. And any ``Republican`` plan that helps the working poor chips away at the Democratic plantation system of identity based politics. The Kennedys, the Rockefellers, the Clinons thrive on the plantation system where a bonded class of second class citizens delivers their votes to the massa`! Once these citizens can help themselves and get rid of the `helpful` civil servant, they will not need the Dems any more. That thought is life threatning to the Democrats and their closet friends-the liberal Republicans (whatever these things are).

Ras Siddiqui#

Probably the writer is unaware of the history of peaceful CO-Existence of Afghans/Central Asians.

Or anybody with a pen is writing these days.

I think all the males are writing these days.

sigalph/janjua/krashid...

When it comes to islam, i don`t have any original ideas--alhamdulillah. And janjua, yes i am aware of the history you refer to. Why don`t you learn some respect for the islamic savants? Please don`t bother replying that was a rhetorical q.

Dear Bilal,

Please email me on naqshbandijamaati@yahoo.com and we can continue our discussion there if u like. i would prefer that. thank you. as i am cutting down severely interactions on chowk.

:-)

re: Naqshbandi

That gentle soul, Ibn Affan who had to suffer so much at that late age was also accused of biddat by jahils like you. Its time you start thinking some original thoughts.

Re Asif 217

Dude, go ahead and pray 24/7/365 and give my regards to the man above if one really exists in the first place. Heck, aren`t you better off immigrating to heaven aka afghanistan where you can live the life you`ve always wanted to--instead of living with infidels and kafirs of all hues.

Cheers