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Zehra Rizvi March 7, 2001
#33 Posted by ylh on March 8, 2001 10:23:37 am
PM
The comment was in response to Asim Hayat... it was not particularly intended at F Zehra Rizvi, who is an American.
I personally liked the story... hence my earlier comment
``Disgusting as ever, good job.``
sincerely
YLH
The comment was in response to Asim Hayat... it was not particularly intended at F Zehra Rizvi, who is an American.
I personally liked the story... hence my earlier comment
``Disgusting as ever, good job.``
sincerely
YLH
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#34 Posted by PM on March 8, 2001 10:55:43 am
Yasser:
re. ``Disgusting as ever... good job``
Good hedging! :-)
If I am to believe your #33, I have to find a way to ignore #28, or indeed convince myself that ``these `meaningless` stories`` and other references to ``drivel`` didn`t include the current piece.
rgds,
PM
re. ``Disgusting as ever... good job``
Good hedging! :-)
If I am to believe your #33, I have to find a way to ignore #28, or indeed convince myself that ``these `meaningless` stories`` and other references to ``drivel`` didn`t include the current piece.
rgds,
PM
#35 Posted by Zehra on March 8, 2001 11:29:20 am
yaar, yasser, that hurt the most...mujhe
american keh kar out the window kardiya.
that is the whole problem you see...i am and i
am not. they ask over here, do you go back
home often? back home ( pakistan) they dont
accept me as one of theirs. that whole shpiel
on take your foreign ideas out of here you
arent one of us is what pakistani`s will say to
me..not umreekans. (sac, so you see the PAP
comment need not apply to me...god waht a
horrible term that is)..
im not saying that i can waltz in and pretend to
know all it takes to be a pakistani living in
paksitan but god, when i do come home how
about listeneing instead of assuming foreign
bred, no good.
most everyone has assumed that im having
identity issues in the states...been there, done
that. i live in nyc, immigrant center...i ride my
exocticness for all its worth.
hope this is making sense...im heavily
medicated ( no, not prozac, tylenol cold and
flu)
rizvi
american keh kar out the window kardiya.
that is the whole problem you see...i am and i
am not. they ask over here, do you go back
home often? back home ( pakistan) they dont
accept me as one of theirs. that whole shpiel
on take your foreign ideas out of here you
arent one of us is what pakistani`s will say to
me..not umreekans. (sac, so you see the PAP
comment need not apply to me...god waht a
horrible term that is)..
im not saying that i can waltz in and pretend to
know all it takes to be a pakistani living in
paksitan but god, when i do come home how
about listeneing instead of assuming foreign
bred, no good.
most everyone has assumed that im having
identity issues in the states...been there, done
that. i live in nyc, immigrant center...i ride my
exocticness for all its worth.
hope this is making sense...im heavily
medicated ( no, not prozac, tylenol cold and
flu)
rizvi
#36 Posted by ferozk on March 8, 2001 12:16:46 pm
Re: Zehra
The article seemed like a dream sequence...interesting...almost real...but will it matter when I wake up?
Ciao!
The article seemed like a dream sequence...interesting...almost real...but will it matter when I wake up?
Ciao!
#37 Posted by ylh on March 8, 2001 8:12:37 pm
Zehra,
Pakistanis are usually very accepting to those who accept them. In any event, I heard you are doing a
film on ``Partition`` at Upenn... Hope you present both sides of the story...
:)
YLH
Pakistanis are usually very accepting to those who accept them. In any event, I heard you are doing a
film on ``Partition`` at Upenn... Hope you present both sides of the story...
:)
YLH
#38 Posted by ylh on March 8, 2001 8:12:37 pm
PM,
In the context of what Asim and I were talking about, this current piece is also drivel and meaningless...
YLH
In the context of what Asim and I were talking about, this current piece is also drivel and meaningless...
YLH
#39 Posted by Ronin on March 8, 2001 8:12:37 pm
zehra,
nicely written, convincing in its portrayal. i saw it as a work of fiction but after reading some of your posts, perhaps not.
i have no first hand-knowledge of suicide but i kinda imagined people committing it would possess a f * * *-the-world attitude. they don`t give a damn about ice cream, or toenails painted red. nothing matters at that point. they don`t care; they`re past the point of feeling anger about prom queens and religious upbringings. that`s why the ending felt a little abrupt, a little disjointed, to me.
but that doesn`t explain suicide notes and kamikazes, so once again... i don`t know. and i guess you do. maybe i just wanted more nihilism.
and i felt you on the muslim part. it hit a little too close to home.
and a little side note to akber (#15) - you do need to say more. nice way to take a person`s emotions, pain, outlook on like - and reduce it to a four-letter-term. `ABCD.` how original.
please keep writing, zehra. don`t listen to the political yahoos and the other folks with agendas. some criticize for the sake of criticizing.
nabeel.
nicely written, convincing in its portrayal. i saw it as a work of fiction but after reading some of your posts, perhaps not.
i have no first hand-knowledge of suicide but i kinda imagined people committing it would possess a f * * *-the-world attitude. they don`t give a damn about ice cream, or toenails painted red. nothing matters at that point. they don`t care; they`re past the point of feeling anger about prom queens and religious upbringings. that`s why the ending felt a little abrupt, a little disjointed, to me.
but that doesn`t explain suicide notes and kamikazes, so once again... i don`t know. and i guess you do. maybe i just wanted more nihilism.
and i felt you on the muslim part. it hit a little too close to home.
and a little side note to akber (#15) - you do need to say more. nice way to take a person`s emotions, pain, outlook on like - and reduce it to a four-letter-term. `ABCD.` how original.
please keep writing, zehra. don`t listen to the political yahoos and the other folks with agendas. some criticize for the sake of criticizing.
nabeel.
#40 Posted by sensualpaki on March 8, 2001 8:12:37 pm
Zehra,
I really enjoyed your article. It had some very poignant and powerful passages. Some would call me a BBCD, perhaps then i can empathise with you more...perhaps I can`t. Am I a Pakistani or a Brit? I feel Pakistani but I don`t know much about Pakistan! My accent, many of my views are more British..but at the same time I have a strong belief in Islam..I have never questioned it.I thank Allah for that! But often i have been torn between my religious duties and the bright lights and fast living of british life...
Someone mentioned post-masturbatory guilt...tell me about it!
You know suicide is something I have thought about but never seriously--certainly not as seriously as you describe in your article (then again perhaps a lot of this article is fictional? Is it?)...I think life is the greatest gift from Allah...too precious to lose...and of course it is forbidden in Shar`iah...:-) (I`m a Sunni--dont know about shia law though regarding suicide...)
Oh yeh, I didn`t think that Pakistani girls gave head...certainly the girls i`ve been with haven`t (apparently I`m missing out on something REAL good!)..perhaps the girls in the USA are more liberated sexually? Or is it just you?!
:-)
Keep on writing...you are great fun to read! Actually have thought of submitting an article to chowk myself...
Anyway, I`d love to discuss with you one-to-one
email me on sensualpaki@yahoo.com
I really enjoyed your article. It had some very poignant and powerful passages. Some would call me a BBCD, perhaps then i can empathise with you more...perhaps I can`t. Am I a Pakistani or a Brit? I feel Pakistani but I don`t know much about Pakistan! My accent, many of my views are more British..but at the same time I have a strong belief in Islam..I have never questioned it.I thank Allah for that! But often i have been torn between my religious duties and the bright lights and fast living of british life...
Someone mentioned post-masturbatory guilt...tell me about it!
You know suicide is something I have thought about but never seriously--certainly not as seriously as you describe in your article (then again perhaps a lot of this article is fictional? Is it?)...I think life is the greatest gift from Allah...too precious to lose...and of course it is forbidden in Shar`iah...:-) (I`m a Sunni--dont know about shia law though regarding suicide...)
Oh yeh, I didn`t think that Pakistani girls gave head...certainly the girls i`ve been with haven`t (apparently I`m missing out on something REAL good!)..perhaps the girls in the USA are more liberated sexually? Or is it just you?!
:-)
Keep on writing...you are great fun to read! Actually have thought of submitting an article to chowk myself...
Anyway, I`d love to discuss with you one-to-one
email me on sensualpaki@yahoo.com
#41 Posted by hamidm on March 8, 2001 8:12:37 pm
........ this is scary stuff for a father of two beautiful PAPs .......... as far as i am concerned, they can do whatever they please as long as they never, ever, contemplate committing suicide or marrying a fob from rutgers ............
#42 Posted by Godot on March 9, 2001 12:57:32 am
Re: hamidm, #41
Why would someone who comes from a stable family and who has a good relationship (more like a friendship) with his/her parents would contemplate suicide?
I think there is a direct relationship between a family that is stable and caring to those who commit, or even contemplate committing, suicide. That is, I believe the more emotionally stable and caring the family, the more emotionally stable and happier its children.
What I know of you from your posts, hamidm, you have nothing to worry about. You probably are a wonderful father, and I bet your daughters adore you. And I can probably say it safely that they would not do anything to embarrass you, or would do anything that you would not want them to do. You must be instilling very good moral values in them.
hamidm, as Dominique tells the atheist Howard in `The Fountainhead`, you are very religious in your own way. Good for you.
Why would someone who comes from a stable family and who has a good relationship (more like a friendship) with his/her parents would contemplate suicide?
I think there is a direct relationship between a family that is stable and caring to those who commit, or even contemplate committing, suicide. That is, I believe the more emotionally stable and caring the family, the more emotionally stable and happier its children.
What I know of you from your posts, hamidm, you have nothing to worry about. You probably are a wonderful father, and I bet your daughters adore you. And I can probably say it safely that they would not do anything to embarrass you, or would do anything that you would not want them to do. You must be instilling very good moral values in them.
hamidm, as Dominique tells the atheist Howard in `The Fountainhead`, you are very religious in your own way. Good for you.
#43 Posted by krashid on March 9, 2001 12:57:32 am
F.Zehra Rizvi #
I would say I was carried away by reading the earlier part of your story on my previous remarks.
I have read the whole story now.
I would say. You are a born writer.
If you made up those emotions you are master. If you felt or seen so. You know the art of penning it down.
I will try to read other stories by you.
I would say I was carried away by reading the earlier part of your story on my previous remarks.
I have read the whole story now.
I would say. You are a born writer.
If you made up those emotions you are master. If you felt or seen so. You know the art of penning it down.
I will try to read other stories by you.
#45 Posted by ylh on March 9, 2001 2:39:04 am
Hamidm,
I think the venerable writer is also a graduate of Rutgers... Personally I dont know what you have against me, but I dont particularly fancy marrying the daughter of stoned-drunkard good only for criticizing and without solutions....
No offence
:)
YLH
PS I dont have an engineering degree so lay off will ya!
I think the venerable writer is also a graduate of Rutgers... Personally I dont know what you have against me, but I dont particularly fancy marrying the daughter of stoned-drunkard good only for criticizing and without solutions....
No offence
:)
YLH
PS I dont have an engineering degree so lay off will ya!
#46 Posted by slink on March 9, 2001 2:49:45 am
yasser hamdani,
lay of pakistani intellecutals whydonctha, they`re already a threatened species. if they exist at all :) finish up your nice little education at rutgers, come back here, slave away for a couple of years (or three, or four, or twenty) and them make speeches about who they are and what they do and why they`re failures. the pipe through which you voided that particular little tidbit is best used for faeces :)
godot,
sometimes people from perfectly stable homes kill themselves. sometimes 12 year old girls kill themselves because their daddy didn`t buy them eid clothes, sometimes 22 year olds college graduates kill themselves in chem labs abroad rather than come home, sometimes pakistani women get sick of life and kill themselves, sometimes pakistani men get sick of life and kill themselves. is suicide a waste? who knows. do we have the right to try and convince someone life is actually meaningful and positive when we know it isn`t so?
lay of pakistani intellecutals whydonctha, they`re already a threatened species. if they exist at all :) finish up your nice little education at rutgers, come back here, slave away for a couple of years (or three, or four, or twenty) and them make speeches about who they are and what they do and why they`re failures. the pipe through which you voided that particular little tidbit is best used for faeces :)
godot,
sometimes people from perfectly stable homes kill themselves. sometimes 12 year old girls kill themselves because their daddy didn`t buy them eid clothes, sometimes 22 year olds college graduates kill themselves in chem labs abroad rather than come home, sometimes pakistani women get sick of life and kill themselves, sometimes pakistani men get sick of life and kill themselves. is suicide a waste? who knows. do we have the right to try and convince someone life is actually meaningful and positive when we know it isn`t so?
#47 Posted by ylh on March 9, 2001 4:37:15 am
Slink,
Believe me darling, you are top of the list...
Pseudo-intellectualism will not take our nation anywhere...!
Yasser Hamdani
Believe me darling, you are top of the list...
Pseudo-intellectualism will not take our nation anywhere...!
Yasser Hamdani
#48 Posted by Neptune on March 9, 2001 9:18:00 am
Re: slink #46 and ylh #47
Who are you and what have you done with Shandana and Yasser?
Who are you and what have you done with Shandana and Yasser?
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