They Changed My God

tahmed #99

Please spare us the sermon. Every major religion preaches something on the same lines as you did. I am sorry if you are still delusional about Islam not being an organized religion. Are you saying madrassahs and jihadi outfits are not organized around the Islamic religion. Please spare us!

I know you feel compelled to believe in the infallibility of your own religion and being a decent person wish that it is true.

I am sorry to burst your bubble. Man made religions based on religious books written by men are bound to end up in the same bin.

If it is all about just God and Man, why have a book and Prophet Mohamed, why even call it Islam? Every man should have his own name for it and call his own God the way he wants to.

I know it is really hard to get free of the fetters of religious indoctrination because fear is the basis of most religious teachings.

You can have a rules book or a penal code to deal with what is right and wrong based on the society and times, but don`t call it religion.

True religion is universal and nameless. It is about the individual human spirit and one universal God.

Tahmed:

Congrats on your very sensible and straight-forward posts!

Personally, I find it very strange that the merlot-lovers will openly go and insult what is very sacred and close to other human beings, but will become defensive about their own mental illness. And these fools[I am withholding my urge to use a strong adjective]will have the nerve to boast about their mental filth; thinking others should religiously accept that. Simply, disgusting!

An FYI:
If there are religious hypocrites, then there are non-religious and merlot-loving hypocrites as well!!! Nature has a pretty weird sense of humor, I guess.


Take Care!

Peer pressure:
`` Authors note: Anwar Iqbal was threatened with death by an unidentified group after reciting the Urdu original of this poem in Islamabad in late July 2000.``

a classic example of `peer pressure` where no one had the guts to tell hamidm sahab (chowks very own charlie chaplin) to take his budtameez ramblings up the tail pipe..tahmed sahab..more power to you...

Re: hamidm

``convert Brother RSaxena joined him later``

I will go join Kurt Cobain in hell before I ever, ever do such a thing. I can`t imagine a worse thing.

Godot #92 ``I`m in complete agreement with scout and tahmed321, and vehemently disagree with hamidm re mocking religion and God.``

Nice to have some expression on support on a point which no one would have a problem if only they gave it some thought. But thinking (as Professor Higgins says) is something some folks (these in our case being the mullahs on the one hand and Pakistani ``elite`` on the other) never do.

hamidm #97 ``The Inquisition set out to purge the chowk of all those who did not have pure quraish or islamic blood during a time of merry-making by the apostate hamidm ( may he burn in eternal fire) and his heathen companions.``

I never said anything like this, and have in previous posts spoken out against people who think such talk has any basis in Islam - indeed, talk about Islamic blood and the superiority of the syeds or quraish over ordinary people (muslim or non-muslim) is a travesty of Islam.

You aim is confused and misdirected when you attack Islam when you should attack maudoodism (those who seek to gain absolute political power by exploiting the name of Islam). It is just as misdirected as that of the Taliban when they fire at harmless relics from the past rather than attacking the real problems - of hunger and civil conflict and refugees - that the poor people of that country fact.

PS: A Qari is someone whose focus is on reciting the Quran, not on understanding its meaning and far less on acting accordingly. My focus is on the meaning of the Quran as opposed to the dysfunctional traditions that have been built up over the years in contradiction to the Quran - with the mullahs being the driving force behind the emergence of these traditions that all too often in violation of Islam.

aikrinnd #98 ``the mullah can finally stand up and not be ashamed of his many shortcomings in life while at the same time is now capable of retaliating with force against those who may choose to point out the shortcomings. ``

Physical force is the weapon of the pharaohs and the followers of the devil. The mullahs in Pakistan kill people while they worship, they roam around the countryside like bandits, with guns and intimidate people. The muslim fights with the power of the Quran and by convincing people in their hearts of the great wisdom that it provides. Muslims and all other good people will win - the mullah will lose.

JR #95 You write:

``You are peeved because Hamidm has thrown open the doors to reveal the utter hypocracy of organized religion, Islam included!``

There is no concept of an organized religion in Islam - the Quran stresses that it is something between the individual and God and it is the individual`s responsibility to distinguish between right and wrong and to act accordingly. And actions and intents behind those actions (the latter being known only to the individual and to God) are what is important in Islam. It is the mullahs who seek to form a priesthood and an organized religion and try to mix Church and State when there is no Church to begin with in Islam. It is against this hypocrisy that I protest. As for hamidm, he (like you and most other Pakistanis) confuses Islam with Maudoodism - the latter is for organized religion and power to the priests, the former placed responsibility on the individual and is not concerned with how individual organize themselves in society as long as it is done in a fair and just manner.

The Mullah had to go a long way before he could successfully hijack God. Scholars have pointed out the trials and travails of the mullah in various forms of literature over the past centuries. From being ignored as an ignorant imbecile unworthy of any recognition whatsoever to one being conspicuously ridiculed, the mullah can finally stand up and not be ashamed of his many shortcomings in life while at the same time is now capable of retaliating with force against those who may choose to point out the shortcomings.

Maulana Asif Naqshbandi headed up the Chowk Inquisition during its early years; other great Muslim cyber-warriors such as Qari Tahmed and the convert Brother RSaxena joined him later. The Inquisition set out to purge the chowk of all those who did not have pure quraish or islamic blood during a time of merry-making by the apostate hamidm ( may he burn in eternal fire) and his heathen companions. Its main targets were Hindoos, Ahmedis, Jews, Hypocrites and Dots ( people who claimed to be Muslims but were disciples of George Carlin and spoke in dots ) and its preferred methods included torture and ritual burning at the stake. The Chowk Inquisition peaked with the expulsion of all Hypocrites, Comedians and Dots from the Chowk in the summer of Zilhaj 1421.

......... this means i still have a few months to try and reverse the course of history. Maybe, this time, humanity will triumph over fear and superstition.

All I can say is

I just love it.......

tahmed #82:

You are peeved because Hamidm has thrown open the doors to reveal the utter hypocracy of organized religion, Islam included!

The biggest problem with religions, particularly Islam, is that the believers assume exclusiveness and superority over others.

PM,

I think you will appreciate the difference between nation and state... and also appreciate the fact that I spoke about Culture, not religion.

I spoke of a reality, but Jinnah`s speech is the ideal which we have to work towards.

YLH

Re: Godot #92

Wow, you`re an insightful fellow.

Hamidm #85 The Quran indeed has many references to hell and to the Judgement Day and to Hypocrites as well. But read carefully how a Hypocrite is described, and I think you will agree that the description fits that of the mullah like a glove fits a hand: A Hypocrite is one who makes a show of prayer and piety when his mind is on other things. A Mullah does precisely the same, while lusting for power and unearned wealth. The Quran is good news for ordinary people, muslim or otherwise, since it speaks of them with affection and that they have nothing to fear on Judgement Day. It is very bad news for the fundamentalists and Mullahs, whose behavior and attitudes are described quite accurately in the Quran and the harshest words (people who claim to have some special inspiration that sets them apart from ordinary men such as pirs and ulema are termed the most wicked of men). When I discussed these issues with people like Mr. Adnan and other Mullah apologists on chowk, I found they either (a) deny the clear words of the Quran by calling them out of context when that is clearly not the case (b) simply drop out of the argument and stop responding, but re-emerge somewhere else (as I see Mr. Adnan has done) quoting their own sources (the finality of the prophethood of which these people talk so fervently means no more to them than to the Ahmadis, except the latter are no more vocal in Pakistan).

Hope this explains my point. Dont just accept the mullahs words, and try and understand what the Quran says. You will then agree with me that it is truly a great gift to mankind and good news for all good people. Sorry if I sound like a preacher, but I really feel the Quran can be a great force in promoting decency and character (badly lacking in our greedy and venal elite), rather than the evil and destruction and cruelty that the Hypocrites (aka Mullahs, fundamentalists) are so inclined towards.

Congratulations on writing a full para. with no dots. I knew you could do it, buddy.

Zahra: Looks like Hamidm is cured. Hallelujah.