The Meaning of Pakistan

Siraj #580

Be Gharet Mohajir are shafted by Punjab.

This is not entirely true. But at least we are not killed in 70,000 numbers. Nor are there raping and pillage of our homes.

In short, F- with India forever.

We are creative and brave enough to solve our problem.

Concentrate on your F-ing country which on the map of world is called India. And where raping, killing and burning and looting of minorities are very rampant.

YLH #584

Beta Insaan Bano.

And be happy that operation clean up can only happen in Karachi.

Who you are to say about Karachi.

And don`t let water to flow downstream and barren the lands. Even enemy nation like India has kept the promise of Indus Basin Treaty even with All adversity.

But since my mother has been a very decent lady, and has taught me to behave in appropriate manner which remains with me even at this stage, I will not use the same word as you used (although I can). Not because of you. Only because of your mother whom you alleged has been a decent lady.

Sarwari #585

All the politicians,all the intellectuals are speaking from experience off course. For example how can you be blind of the fact that Pakistan has been ruled directly and indirectly by military in most of its history. And there is another attempt now to do such thing. Majority of Pakistan population has no education moreso standard education. Majority live below poverty line. You and I can only imagine, but who suffers knows best.

The purpose of Pakistan has been to uplift the Muslims of sub-continent in education and prosperity and not to be perpetually kept illiterate, without potable water, without proper nutrition. I never knew Pakistan was created so that people will remain perpetually in poverty, illiteracy and without future so that our army can continue to fight against India and keep all the benefits to them. Tell me how much nation contributes to Army every year and how much it contributes to educatoion and health.

And the situation is not going to change. With all prosperity in 1960`s Pakistan had a majority living in extremely poor condition.

As long as people cannot decide their own fate through their own elected leaders, there is no hope.

Do you think our army which has been involved in the rape, killing and looting of its own people will let us choose our own representative.

These days army is making a hue and cry against Nawaz Sharif. Wasn`t it army and General Zia and General Jilani who thought that Nawaz Sharif is in the best interest of the country and its people and brought him in forefront. Wasn`t it the army and ISI which brought Altaf Hussain as a counter to People`s Party and Jamat-e-Islami in Sind.

Do you think keeping a blind eye to history and current condition is going to make life more happier.

Aamir #587

Isn`t Karachi the only place in Pakistan where Punjabi (some) curse Punjab.:-)

rsaxena #590,

tumharay moo main ghee shakar...

where`s the shehnai...

but we`re treading on shaky ground here, there could be a big explosive rumble from the ``y`` direction.

Aamir,

I think you are a new comer to the board and hence are unaware of my political views. Kindly refrain from assuming.

Thankyou

Yasser Hamdani

In response to Eklavya (Reply # 583)
Dear Eklavya:

Thanks for introducing Aslam Siddiqui’s book. The excerpts suggest that he has written something interesting and timely.

Sincerely, Bilal Ahmad

P.S. Regarding you other post, I would like to discuss in much more detail on some other board. Maybe, it is time to write another Chowk article. Or, you may e-mail me for a one-to-one discussion at: bahmad@home.com.

In response to sarwari (Reply # 585)
Dear Aisha, Assalam-o-Alaikum:

There are two parts of your post. I want to respond to some aspects of the first part.

Your statement: “The problem with experience is that it tells you too much about what won`t work, you and Mr. Ahmed are not conscious of that fact and hence will not act in the direction you ``know`` will not work, that is what PhD’s do.”

My reply: I am sure that you don’t know me. I do have some experience of life, but I don’t want any person to uncritically accept any of my explanations, interpretations, or worldviews. I am very careful in saying what will work and what won’t. Why? Because, it is us, I and you, whose actions often make things work or not work, given certain constraints.

Aisha, I think, most scholars view a Ph.D. as only the first step toward scholarship. Please note that I don’t hold a Ph.D.

Your statement: “I on the other hand don`t know something won`t work, and even when I find out I leave room for the fact that people don`t know the real thing and the only way to find out in dive in. So more often than not I get it done.”

My reply: I was, and still am, a very ambitious (not in a personal sense) person. All my life, I have also dived in (though, in Yasser’s view, I am a defeatist, which I don’t care). I have deep likeness for young people, especially if they are full of zeal, zest, and active habits.

I miss my young days, and I would still love to become 30-35 + years younger). So, keep doing what you think is right (but try to replace your emotions with intelligence and creativity).

Your statement: “I will try not to be like you or Mr. Ahmed...or many people who look at me and say ``I was like that at your age`` Not because they are not great enough but because their imagination is replaced by experience.”

My reply: My imagination works in conjunction with my experience. And, I don’t hesitate to learn from the experiences of other people (both young and old).

Sincerely, Bilal Ahmad

Interesting South Asia site, if anyone is interested:

http://www.samwonline.com

Oh whoops, wrong post.

Sorry!!!

Dear Shirin, 110,

This is basically a rehash of what I said to Patrick,

There are quite a few sites but there`s nothing there that goes into the technicalities (or at least nothing that I`ve found). We all know the names and perhaps their missions and a few achievements but that`s all. It would be interesting to have the formulas and systematics of organisations. When I say everything about a model organisation, I mean EVERYTHING. I just feel that not many of us no exactly how that money is spent or how can the systems be made more efficient.

I was in a charity for some time many years ago and I became fascinated with the system, right from scratch to finish. I wanted to learn more but could not. Eventually, I came to the conclusion that their `charity began from home`.

If there are three things I learnt, they were:

1) Sadly, for many, charity is a home business comprised of fathers, mothers, brothers and sisters. Their charity begins at home.

2) So much money is wasted on administration costs or people`s salaries.

3) There is a lack of co-ordination/ direction for the overall big picture. Everybody is trying to do their bit but there seems to be no sense of direction.

This, The Fluid Bubble Model, (ha ha ha- I feel very scientifiky today) is just the random thought of a vela mind but using Pakistan as a model:

1) A central non political organisation should be responsible for the activities of every single charity within the country.

2) Small bubbles (individual charities) come inside regional bubbles that come inside provincial bubbles that are ultimately controlled by the big bubble.

3) To qualify as a registered charity, you must adhere to criteria posed by the central organisation (the big bubble), after which you become part of the society and a legitimate organisation.

4) There should be a reserve of volunteer workers that are `fluidic`, i.e independent people with special skills that can be channelled into various places for any particular purpose.

5) The central organisation should be endogenous, i.e. born in Pakistan and governed chiefly by Pakistanis so that it`s answerable only to the Pakistani government.

6) One of the major aims of the `big bubble` should be learning and passing on the experiences. The recent earthquakes or droughts are good examples, so that info to cope with the situation may be spread across to all relevant small organisations.

7) The Big bubble could serve as an intermediary, allowing communication between the small bubbles serving the same mission, to communicate more effectively. The exchange of ideas from one bubble to the next would certainly make specialisation and improvements far more efficient.

8) As a collective, the `Big Bubble` (I`m sorry, I can`t help myself) could work alongside the government and prove itself a worthy aid. It could attract attention from oversees folks whom I sure, seeing a structured organisations, would be able to provide a better contribution.

9) What would the biggest of the bubbles comprise of; Influential people and people with good genuine track records and I talk of such folks as Imran Khan, Edhi etc etc; people whom everyone know and love and respect who are able to create positive influences. All people excelling in their field could enter, e.g. medical professionals, economists, lawyers, artists, engineers, social workers…everyone minus the politicians.

I`ll bugg off now…take care and best wishes.

Umer.M.Phoenix

Ref krashid #: 575

[So are you denying Sita, Hanuman thing as crap? May be other Indians or Pakistani can help. I am totally unaware except in film I have seen people chanting. `Hanuman Ji Ki Jay. Bajrang Bali Ki Jay``]

So, according to you, ``Hanuman ki Jay`` (Victory to Hanuman) means Hanuman had sex with Sita.

By the same token, the fact that you guys say ``Allah Hafiz`` means that Allah is taking it in the rear from Muhammed`s favorite camel.

Re: Scout

With the power vested in me by the devil, I hereby pronounce an unholy union of a certain someone whose name begins with ``y`` with another someone who attends San Jose State.

Amen.

Now someone bring out the mithaai.

Well, preliminary census figures are in and since the topic had come up before, the (bad) news is that the gender ratio in the 0-6 age group is down from 1991. So, any grounds for optimism that I had expressed in the past were mistaken.

About the only good news in the census for India is that literacy is up.

-Arun Gupta

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