The Meaning of Pakistan

ylh #58, ``The intolerance shown by Indians on this thread is a clear indication of who wants peace and who wants confrontation.``

Tell me about it. Even mentioning the word Islam in innocence and positivity (as Aisha did) gets them excited and salivating like Pavlov`s dogs.

It`s truly pathetic.

Zahra #60

Atom Bomb Bechara Qadeer Khan Hamein De Gaya.

Or Fauj Ne Hamare Kandhe Pur Atom Bomb Rukh Kur Ab Hur Faisla Karna Hai.

Is Tarah To Hota Hai Is Tarah Ke Kamon Mein.

[...Quaid-i-Azam was fully aware of the fragmentary role of the 72 sects that had marred Islam`s pristine glory....]

72 sects and 72 houris...! remarkable!!
may allah be praised...!!!

from zahra`s helpsavepakistan.com link:

Information Technology Blues
by Masood
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Re: soda bottle #65

{My post was about his assertion that you guys (you especially) ``never get on the high horse and think others are dirt.``}

Why were you twisting his words? You know what he said, why twist it? Has the prescription gone up?

Ref anil #: 63

[Sometimes, I wonder if Nehru did not have the ambition to be the Prime Minister what would have happened to TNT, and if he had given Gandhi a free hand to offer in all sincerity to Jinnah, then what would have happened to South Asia.]

Another namby-pamby, hand-wringing Hindu apologist with no idea of history and no willingness to learn.

Gandhi did tell Mountbatten that he would willingly accept Jinnah as the Prime Minister of a United India. But the religious divide had gone so far that it would have been as unacceptable to Hindus as a united India was unacceptable to Muslims.

The issue was NOT one of appeasing that megalomaniac Jinnah. It was a question of democratic majority rule for the first time in India. Anointing Jinnah as the Prime Minister would have been the equivalent of selecting a Khilafa for India.

Please write your inane postings, read them, and trash them rather than put up that absolute crap on the Chowk.

Ref scout #: 64

[harimau #43, ``Must have been reading The Life of Prophet Muhammed.``

Oh wow, you Indians are a tolerant lot aren`t you?]

I offer my humblest apologies for saying that Reddy-garu must have been reading The Life of Prophet Muhammed.

He would have chosen PRE-pubescent girls if he was reading The Life of Prophet Muhammed. Obviously, he was slightly more sensible than that, though the girls were definitely underage, being about 16.

[I tell you about a perverted Indian in California, and you go on to blast my religion.

Very impressive, keep it up.]

Aren`t we talking about Pakistan on this board? Pakistan ki matlab kya? Answer that, if you can.

How about the authoress` repeated references to Hindu treachery in her posts? That was praising the Hindu religion, I suppose.

Weren`t you the one who applauded Anand Patwardhan on his introspection over Babri Masjid? How about introspecting on Ayesha for a change -- I mean the child bride of Prophet Muhammed, not the authoress.

[I hope Humsab read your post.]

Humsab and a bunch of other namby-pamby Indians aren`t my concern; you can take comfort in their words. Those idiots don`t have any answers when I post history.

Ref concerned #: 61

[the jang report yesterday had some lines to the effect that dr khan was accused(?) by a court in holland for theft of some kind many years ago.]

For theft of blueprints and list of equipment suppliers for uranium enrichment. THAT is the contribution of Dr. Abdul Queer Khan, who has a PhD in metallurgy, not nuclear physics.

[the ce`s statement that there are hundreds of equally good scientists in pakistan should be of some comfort to the disappointed people.]

Yep, they have more thieves.

Ref Zahra #: 60

Zahra

[Dr. AQK the government of Pakistan may have betrayed you, Pakistan Military may have betrayed you, Pakistani rulers may have betrayed you -

But the people of Pakistan have not. The Pakistani Nation and the Muslim ummah at large are indebted by your service. History of Pakistan and our coming generation will remember you as the Golden Child of Pakistan - who served his Motherland with dignity, honor, and pride.]

Pakistan is Abdul Queer Khan`s motherland? That is rich! Adopted motherland, maybe. The guy was born in Bhopal. No matter what Jinnah might have wanted, Bhopal remains a part of India.

On the other hand, Dr. Queer`s hatred for his natural motherland is quite clear. It goes with being a Muslim of certain bent of mind. And the Pakistani`s grasping at straws to show that they are equal to India.

hamidm,

You have serious competition in the humor department. I would like to thank all for an evening of giggle attacks.

First there is Aisha with the wonderful ``its definitely better than having a father of a nation who was member of the London Vegetarian Association.``

Then there is ylh, some new Galileo must be learning to mark time by him; so periodically and predictably he slaps his forehead in disgust at almost forgetting that Hindus are sub-human. But then it is not ylh`s fault. As Aisha put it, ``YLH has a head on his shoulders not mine.`` Perhaps ylh`s periodicity would be interrupted if someone else`s head were on his shoulders.

Then there is the incomparable scout, with her salivating Pavlovian Hindu dogs, with Islam like a piece of meat hanging just out of reach. Wait, these dogs have a cursed vegetarian as their father !!!!

:-)

-Arun

Reply to #39

Aisha says:

``However, you rightly pointed out that attempts of this kind are Hindu strategy for ages and are threatening as they should be.``

What precisely is this ``strtategy``? Please elaborate.

tantralogician

Ref Ras Siddiqui #: 62

[However, the Muslims did not listen to religions giants like Maulana Abul Kalam Azad and Maulana Abul Ala Maudoodi and voted for a clean shaved, much westernised Jinnah, and despite their tooth and nail opposition, Pakistan became a reality. In the post-partition Pakistan, the religious extremists found a common cause in their tenacious effort to seize victory out of the jaws of defeat, and now want to destroy its civil society in the name of Islam.]

The only thing common between Maulana Abul Kalam Azad and Maulana Maudoodi was their beards.

Maulana Azad passionately believed in a secular united India under democratic rule.

Maulana Maudoodi thought Pakistan wouldn`t be viable and so wanted a united India.

Despite the clean-shaven much-westernised Jinnah, Maulana Maudoodi migrated to Pakistan, outlived Jinnah, and started his brand of Islam. Nothing better than being the interpreter of the Prophet, since the Prophet had ever-so-thoughtfully declared himself to be the last of the prophets to forestall future competition. That way, Maudoodi could impose his interpretation of Islam without being labelled a heretic. The brain-dead Pakistanis have got to put up with Maudoodi and his successors. That is actually snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

By the way, where are those tolerant, peace-loving Muslims in Afghanistan that all of you talk about? Or in Pakistan, for that matter?

Ms or Mr Harimau?:

Your post to Scout was in a very poor taste. Many things from your respective faith[whatever] may appear abhorrent and disgusting to Muslims. But that`s a hit below the belt! Whatever Aisha wrote or implied that was her perspective, and you should have had the guts to question her than stooping low in your post to scout.

No Regards!!!

R-sh.it-hena #70,

I think it`s the other way around.

Please dig a hole and bury yourself in it before I pull you apart with my bare fingers.

Zahra #60: helpsavepakistan.com is really an interesting website. I had never seen it before. Are you involved in it at a professional level? Does it have a presence in Silicon Valley?

I am not sure what the reasoning behind replacing Dr. Qadeer maybe. Basically, he had a beaurecratic post. And people are assigned to those positions for a limited number of years. Dr. Qadeer had reached a larger than life status in Pakistan (rightly so, in my opinion), so it seems odd that he would be removed from any position. That is why he was repeatedly given extensins.

However, in my opinion, barring any conspiracy, when people become larger than the government organizations they represent or run, it is time for them to move on, and let fresh blood come in. Otherwise, it becomes quite frustrating for the people working below them.

In any case, he has done his job, and Pakistan has a deterrent now. Perhpas his services are needed more in other sectors like IT.

Ref Zahra #: 77

[Ms or Mr Harimau?]

Mr, if you really want to know.

[Your post to Scout was in a very poor taste.]

It was meant to be, sweetheart.

I have only begun to speak after a silence of 3 weeks. Watch for the fireworks on the Open Letter to Vajpayee and Bamiyan Buddha boards.

I intend to skewer each and every one of you Pakistanis, Hindu apologists and fellow-travellers.

Read my posts, that is, if Chowk Editors will post them. You might actually get an education.

Assalamalaikum,

My apologies for those who had to read it more than once, and if you are an Indian please go through the torment again, so you can know that the bug that is biting you has got nothing to do with Islam being the best, Muslim`s knowing better or loving our enemy’s after we fight them, indeed its confusing because there is nothing easy about justifying compassion and co-existence being part of religion. The greatest ills are committed under the name of religion. My Elder brother who is a professor at AKU, Karachi, currently in Virginia begs me to write numbered points, scientifically and clearly, and I tell him repeating the observation is scientific imposition on the reader. So... Rsexana if I ask you to talk of attempting to present India as a tolerant nation you too will stutter and stammer so leave my grammatical errors alone, I was born and brought up in East Africa. Or simply sit on a seat with less biting worms.

Aristotle:

I gathered form your name that you would appreciate a fav. line by Theophrastus of Eresus, ``Divinity is not in motion`` ``Whosoever ponders and reflects upon how laconic, and yet how full of meaning and rich in yield it is, will get an understanding from it of his knowledge, his profundity, and the august position he holds in the sciences. It means that divinity neither changes nor alters, either in essence or in acts.`` (Rutgers University Studies in Classical Humanities, VOl II, THEOPHRASTUS OF ERESUS, on his life and work edited by William Fortenbaugh.)

So therefore, no, Fundamentalists should not be tolerated. Though I really liked the concept of being whole and independent togetherness of diverse groups, but we have to, say something is ridicules when it is. The reason the Taliban got wings is because people chose to shout up when they should have spoken.

Cheema:

Thanks for your comments, you are right when you say that the Quran is a book of guidance and not a book of science or a constitution, that is a loophole in my article and I was unaware of it at the time I wrote it. Thanks for pointing it out :)

Mr. Hayat:

Your criticism is appreciated, but kindly stop attaching my sentiments with the GOP, at least not yet, I am simply trying to discover something and sharing the journey. Alienating non-Muslims is wrong, I am pointing out that the Islam which is a contributing factor to language, culture, belief systems etc, is more accepting than we let it be, more true than we give divine intervention a chance to be and more based on human experience than we believe it to be. GOP zindabad! :)

Scout:

I didn`t realize you are this cool :p

Harimau:

Mere muu naa laag!

You don`t want me to start with Hindu beliefs and Bhoopal?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go to rsexana so he can show you what a genius you are. PS: don`t eat onions ;)

Purple:

Hope you re in the pink of health :) Pakistan is anything but a symbol, its the triumph of realism over idealism and henceforth an establishment of a real ideal, the mission to jointly create a good country, with the flags of faith, unity and discipline. And if the symbols have ceased to remind us of our mission and have become sacred hollow straws, they ought to be blown away.

Jay:

Idher aa and I`ll show you AK47`s intricate and complex design form the inside (sound and all), and my skill despite having no Pakistani education and no madrassa training, and not calling myself secular. Aisha Sarwari cannot be a starw figure for the Indians to shoot, in fact, I converted my mission to make at least 20 people self-sufficient, to killing 20 Indians. Much better? what do you say?

Anil:

a. I am not searching for a meaning of Pakistan. Pakistanis don`t find they pave. And you are right things should evolve and take their due course.

b. My baby... neighbors baby? zero-sum game? I`m sorry if I confused you so much... anyway, no I don`t care about the neighbors baby, in fact I think for example that Pakistan is unique, it has very different sets of combinations thus in things like IT, comparisons should not be made with the neighbor who has 10,000 babies per mama. :)

c. I don`t, I walk into it and win with a landslide, yet the Indians continue to blab.

d. True! Waisey Martin Luther King was not too lit up, up there for admiring Gandhi, though both men had what it took to lead and influence. You know that is the difference between us and them. Where we are trying to manage, they lead, where we try to save they try to make money, where we are thinking of luxuries they are thinking of their flock of chappal wearing relatives back home. I admit Indians are very good at marketing their cause. In fact that is the only thing in Indians...good marketing. We should learn and combine our talent with it. By the way I live in Saratoga, CA on Quito, where is that video store and I`ll give them a copy of Jinnah. Why didn`t you come to the PSA show of the movie?

e. No.. they justify it by the false image of Jinnah-and true Image of Gandhi that`s why they succeed in fooling the masses.

f. hummmmmm.....

Rsexena:

Go get a life!

Wassalam.

Aisha