Is IT the Panacea?

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jay #62: The IT revolution in India is definitely quite impressive. I have hired and recommended the hiring of quite a few Indian IT people myself; some straight out of India. This progress has little to do with any structure put up in India, and more to do with the number of IT graduates produced by India. There are private individuals in Pakistan who own structures like the one you have described. Physical structures are never an accurate description of the state of a society.

However IT progress alone does not define a country. A country is defined by the views of its people. And as long as their are people in India with similar views as yours, I do not think Pakistan has too much too worry about. In fact it is people with such views within India who, in my opinion, are Pakistan`s greatest asset.

The more I read your remarks, the more my admiration for Jinnah increases. He was a man with a great amount of foresight.

Zahra #64: ``You should try to submit that in the ``Announcements Section`` as well......

``If you are feeling uncomfortable posting the message on a women`s forum - that is something else. In that case, I will be more than glad to take over :-)``

Actually, I did not post the message on the iopwe forum myself. It was posted by the person who sent it to me. He posted it there, before he sent it to me. I will contact him and ask him what he did with it.

As far as feeling uncomfortable posting a message on a women`s forum, I would have to say quite the contrary. Both my friend, his wife, and I are member`s of iopwe (we attended a function, paid some money, and were told we were members in some sort of a capacity; I am not quite sure which capacity). However, like nearly all Pakistani technical organizations (contrary to popular beliefs, there are quite a few now, popping up all over the place), the iopwe website has been stagnant forever. These organizations tend to start with a lot of enthusiasm, get going pretty quickly, reach a plateau and then freeze (at least their websites).

Hopefully, you will see the message in a day or two.

Re:Reply #: 62

jay

``Next to the IT park is a marble/sandstone granite structure, new, resembling some grant palace of the yester years, and that is Cardiac and Nuerology hospital by Satya sai baba. All of the treatments are free, there are no papers, fully computerised, it is a paperless, cashless hospital. The force behind it is Sai baba,...``

This is just between me and Jay,so others need not respond. Jay, i visited Puttaparthi,the holy place where Sai baba lives and was wonderstruck by the spiritual aura that emanated from him and felt very blessed. There is also a superspeciality hospital at Puttaparthi which among other things performs free Cardiac Bypass operations (i am told 2 to 3 per day). Highly qualified doctors from U.S and other places volunteer their services.

regards,

sridhar

Romair:

I never saw the message on the bulletin board. Where did you see it? Also, I am on the mailing list so never got to see it there as well. Are we talking about the same group?

International Organization of Pakistani Women Engineers[IOPWE]

You should try to submit that in the ``Announcements Section`` as well.

Well, I am an active member. I can do all the stuff that I am telling you on my own too, but I won`t. I think as you introduced it, therefore U should be the torchbearer :-)

If you are feeling uncomfortable posting the message on a women`s forum - that is something else. In that case, I will be more than glad to take over :-)

On a serious note: the number that will respond all depends on people`s personal motivation.

How many men are involved in country-development activities? All? Few? Many? Some? 50%? 35%?

PS: I have participated in quite a few brain-storming sessions at the NY-Consulate and I can tell you few observations if you`ll be interested to know.

Later.

Zahra #58: Somenoe already put it up on iopwe.org.

I am waiting to see how much response these requests get from affluent Pakistani women. That will be a good indication of whether Pakistani women just complain about the condition of other Pakistani women, or whether they are actually willing to do anything about it.

Isa,

IT, Learning from india.

Any planner of IT in pakistan should visit bangalore, the IT park near White field in bangalore. It is a towering glass and aluminium structure, manicured gardens, better than many I have seen in other countries, a temple of modern india, as nehrue would have called. The IT park is a tribute to the technology, modernity and everything `rational`.

Next to the IT park is a marble/sandstone granite structure, new, resembling some grant palace of the yester years, and that is Cardiac and Nuerology hospital by Satya sai baba. All of the treatments are free, there are no papers, fully computerised, it is a paperless, cashless hospital. The force behind it is Sai baba, the god, who used make ash out of nowhere, the most `irrational`. The two exist side by side, the rational and the irrational, the scientific and the magical, the profound and the absurd.

So, what shall we have next to the 7 IT unis in pakistan, madrassa, jihadic schools where the youg study like automatoms, and at the ripe age of sixteen, with a name change to Abu xyz, a few rdx tied to the chest, seek death where ever it comes, on condition that as he takes the one way trip to heaven, a few kafirs fall to the hell.

Profoud and the profane, till me which is profane.

regards

jay

AAmir 55,

Let us be clear, I do not remember casting a value judgement on honour killing, I always asked the legal mechanism of implementation, what charecterises honour killing and who is the arbiter of it. If pakistan wants to have that system, like killing for self defence, so be it. What is of interest to me is the legal premise and the legal identification of it. I do remeber, several pakistanis including several women were in support of honour killing and that famous incident in the office of Asma jahangir was executed by the mother, a qualified doctor. Look I have no problems with honour killings and it could have several beneficial effects, definitely a sense of power of the judge and the executioner.

Female child killing is rare in india, but more prevalent is the neglect and death resulting from lack of medicene and timely care. In a land of vegetarians, with no ready access to guns like in pakistan, killing has to be a primitive close quarters affair, which most indians dont have the gall. I note that pakistanis are more advanced in this, keep it up.

Most of your post was a defence of honour killing, which to say the least was unnecessary. But if you care to divulge the details, is it authorised by some one, can it be a spur of the moment, can a man also be executed for bringing dishonour. The last one I have a personal stake, I am still alive after several decades after marrying a non-hindu which was a dis-honour to the family. Thank god, what ever be thy name, for being a non pakistani, or is that thanks mis placed.

regards and best wishes.

jay

Amir # 55

Honor killings part of Islamic jurisprudence? Is that the kind of `pure justice` that fills you up with pride?

Also, why compare Pakistani newspapers with Sanskrit texts? Won`t a better comparison be with Indian newspapers?

I share your admiration of Razia Sultan. As an Indian, I consider her to be an illustrious part of my heritage.

Zahra and Scout

I am sick and tired of the rantings from both of you. When am I gonna see some action? I think both of you need to teach each other a good lesson. Keep in mind that I am always on your side-right behind you, watching.

Romair[Post 50]:

Thanks for the informative post. It would be great if you can also post this information at www.iopwe.org`s forum - of course with your following comments:

``So for the Pakistan women who complain that enough isn`t being done in Pakistan for their fellow women, here is your opportunity to volunteer. The address to contact, that I was given, is stars@comsats.net.pk.``


Take Care.

studebaker #56

What you say about Jews, Christians and Hindus may all be true. Your ability to smell words from Organiser,Sword of truth,Hindu Net ,Hindu Org,Hindunity may also be most praiseworthy.

But studebaker, the article has nothing to do with Islam - it is about India and Buddhism. And since you are commenting upon it with some passion, will it not be better if you carefully read the article once? This one is NOT a long article.

To make it easier, the url is:

http://www.theatlantic.com/unbound/interviews/int2001-03-21.htm

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Re: scout

``Please stop before some idiot comes and twists your defense into something else.``

Right, sorry about that. Was just too tempting to pass up but I should know better.

Tum log jaano aur tumhara kaam jaane.

Zahra #51,

Where in my post #1 did I ``yell?``

I calmly gave my opinion which you obviously didn`t like (so be it).



I don`t believe I was rude to you, until you started calling my posts rantings for some reason.

You never had a problem with them before.

Anyway, I agree to end this discussion since it is going nowhere but down.

Rsaxena #49,

Please stop before some idiot comes and twists your defense into something else. And I don`t have to defend myself, the message in my post is crystal clear. And you know what, the people who wanted to get it, GOT it, and the people who didn`t (Zahra) passed it off as a ranting. I think I`m ok with it, it`s her prerogative. I don`t agree with some of her posts, but I refrain from making a scene out of it, or putting her down. Anyway....

My apologies to Q. Daudpota for these stupid series of interacts.