Just Another Stupid Love Story

great story..somehow u were able to portray it with maturity rather then a little boys experiment or coming of age...i had a teacher called miss rabia.....your miss rabbia is desirable enuf too...the babur fouzia twist was great and so was the mesmerizing wrist

funny thing .. past sucks doesnt it

Love..and the things it makes one do...

Simply written but touches the heart!

WoW!

simply awesome! loved it. these are the kinds of stories that make me come back to chowk.

u write very well...good vocab, good expression. etc etc :)
fiz

Nice, very nice.

Amazing

dost-mittar: Nobody mentioned my most favorite song by Rafi. It is ``jab jab bahar aayi aur phool muskaraey-mujhey tum yaad aaye`` from movie jab jab phool khiley.

Manna Dey: ``yeh hichki sharab ki naheeN hay dosto`` and ``nadia chaley chaley re dhara....``

Dear Farzana,

Hello.I express the same sentiments in whatever humble way they can be magnified.It has been great to talk to you, and i liked the sound of the ``click ``!! :)

We must keep the momentum of our interracts going :)

take care, may i have your e-m address if you dont mind ? it would be lovely to touch base even outside the confined premises of ``Chowk ``, however meanwhile we will stay in touch here InshaAllah.

Urstruly : Thank you very much for lending us your board, [as Farzana has earlier put it] at our total free disposal !! This truly has been a fun interract , really have enjoyed it very much .Do keep writing , as I really enjoy your posts !

Take care ,Live Long , stay Happy :)

love,

sa :)

Dear Shirin:

Thanks for expressing your support. And indeed for the wonderful `conversations`. Hope to do so again, some other place. The verses were beautiful. What Aesha posted too... You were wondering where you could post just poetry. From what I gather here, anyone posts anything at all anywhere! I think you could choose the `softer` boards, though I feel it would be wonderful if that could be done on the frothing-at-the-mouth ones:)

I think I enjoyed myself most here...and I must thank all those who enlightened me and mentioned some wonderful music sites I had never heard of...and Urstruly (wherever he is) for whatever he let us do...

And fzk, if you are still listening...Kidhar bhaag gayee tu??

Love,

Farzana

Dear Chowk Staff,

Is there any site where one can post just poetry , or do I see a new section in the making ?

Thank you,

sa :)

AeishA #

That was truly beautiful...

can you please let me know whose verses they are ?

thank you :)

Ab aap ney saaz chher hee diya hai, to ab mein bhi kuch arz kartee hun;

Here are a few verses by Raghupati Sahai Firaq

What has fascinated me the most in Firaq`s qalam is the way he found a bond of unity between man and nature, body and spirit, all of which were for him the manifestations of the same divine energy .

Just read the following couplet very slowly, and try to visualise its meaning ...

`` Yaro bahum gundhae huwaie hain kainaat key bikharey tukray,

Aik phool ko junbish do gey tu aik taara kaanp uthae ga ``

Some gems from Firaq :

Woh aalam mujh par hota hai jab fikr-e-ghazal mein karta hun,

Khud apne khayaalon ko hamdam main haath lagaate darta hun.

Be jaan lakiren bol uthi hain, nuqte lau de uthae hain,

Is naqash-o-nigaar-e-hasti mein woh rang-e-mohabat bharta hun.

Afsurda-o-teera fazaaon mein garmi-e-par-e-Gabriel hun mein,

Sote sansaar ke seene main le kar aayaat utrata hun.

Jab saaz-e-ghazal ko chutta hun raaten lau dene lagti hain,

Zulmat ke seene main hamdam mein jashan-e-chiraghaan karta hun.

Yeh meri nawae nim shabi, ashk -e-anjuman mein nahin hui,

Ur jaati hain neenden sadion ki, kya jaane kya mein karta hun.

Dil jinke falak se atke hain dharti ki woh azmat kya jaanen,

Mein is qadam par kangara-e-iflaak ko bhi kham karta hun.

Aati hai yahaan meri baari ek martaba ahd-ba-ahd Firaq,

Taqdir-e-zamin -o-zamaan hun main, batan -e-geeti se ubharta hun.

Dear Neptune,

With due respect to you, I consider it highly impolite to address a Lady in the fashion you have.Everyone here is trying to converge from different parts of the world to strike some intelligent interracts ,which may often be contradictory to each other .This is but very natural as there is always a clash of personalities in a large crowd.However lets try to remain within the realms of civilized behaviour.It would be very nice to control those misfired missiles!!

sa

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Re: Studebaker #210

[To Neptune i say ,those who say Ghalib,Mijaz & Meer is bad poetry read,written & spoken TO HELL WITH YOU ,...]

I have read Ghalib in full, and others reasonably well. I don`t seem to remember coming across the following anywhere :-

[After the work day is done,

and the toys are put away,

It`s time to log on....

.........]

Btw, I admire your perseverance with Farzana. Ever thought of standing below her balcony and serenading her in dulcet tones with your exemplary collection of poetry?

he..he..he

Woh kufar ki takraar kiye jaata hai,

Yeh deen pe israar kiye jaata hai,

Ik umr se inkaar pey maayal hai dimaagh,

Aur dil hai ke iqraar kiye jaata hai.

Ik zarra-e-naa cheez ko anjuman samjha,

Ik mauf-e-khafif ko talaatum samjha,

Is ilam-e-qalil ko ke hai siraf ik boond,

Afsoos ke jaahaloon ne qulzum samjha.

Kya jaaneye chehra zard hota kyon hai,

Dil ranjo-o-alam se pur hota kyon hai,

Afsos key itna bhi nahin maalum,

Kaanta chubne se dard hota kyon hai.

__ Josh Malihabadi

Harimou #772

First we are talking millions of people and not 10 or 100 as I have already told.

Second would you care to give the proper reference.

As I have already told you any conversion is almost always in newspaper.

May be the girl has converted to Islam against the wishes of her family.

There is no forced conversion.

So take back your point.

Can you tell me forced conversion of Hindus in Saudi Arabia, the most theocratic Muslim state where thousands of Hindus are working willingly or unwillingly?

Don`t try to justify CRIMES in your country by gross misinformation.

For your information Islam is the fastest growing religion in America, do you think people are forced to convert to Islam in America also.

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Dear Friends

I wasnt able to communicate with you for the past few days neither I was able to check your interacts, because of my work. Before I disappear for next few days, going out of town (leaving in couple of hours), I would like to thank you, all, for your valuable and decent interaction at this thread. I wish people exhibit their inherent goodness at all other threads at Chowk, as well, as they have shown here. I am extremely sorry that I wont be able to reply to those interacts that are addressed to me, individually. But I hope to continue a meanigful interaction with all of you, in near future.

Best regards and best wishes to all of you.

...Assad

Re: Farzana #205

Well, your reply says it all. I rest my case.

PS: bad poetry is bad poetry, irrespective of who it is addressed to, who reads it out, and what their past histories are.

dost-mittar:

You have mentioned some wonderful Rafi numbers. I like the controlled sensuality of “Chhoo lene do naazuk hothon ko” (Kaajal) and “Chaudhvin ka chaand ho ya aftaab ho”, and “Tere mere sapne ab ek rang hai” (Guide) for a different reason of course. I wonder whether you would agree that some of Mahendra Kapoor’s best songs have been the ones he rendered in ‘Rafi mode’. It is a known fact that he tried to ape him. Also, am I the only one who finds a great similiarity between Rafi’s “Suhaani raat dhal chuki” and Kapoor’s “Chalo ek baar phir se ajbani ban jaayein hum dono”?

You will be surprised to know that I did not like Rafi for quite some time…I tended to prefer ‘unusual’ voices, like Hemant Kumar and Saigal. (Among filmi female singers, it was and continues to be Geeta Dutt… “Preetam aan milo”; even C.H.Atma acknowledged that her version was better than his.) Unlike others who are overwhelmed by Rafi, his voice grew on me, and I admired the tremendous range. I mean, just think of what wonders he and Asha did with “Deewana hua baadal”.

Where Mukesh is concerned I think he made up for the severe limitations in his voice by adding dollops of dard, and of course having some of the best lyrics and music directors to buffer him… “Mujhko iss raat ki tanhayee mein”, “Bhulee hui yaadein”, “Saaranga teri yaad mein”. If things get too painful, we just say ‘let us do a Mukesh’…merely uttering those words makes us smile:)

Re: #192…

[“Sorry for misinterpreting your earlier post. Punjabi ka dimaag thera na. We have a tendency sometimes to act before we think:-).”]

Oh, it is perfectly alright. At least your intentions were honourable. Just a little visa banter with a Chowkwalli, and some people who have contributed zilch to this Board and to our discussion on music have decided to come here to get their jollies. Ajeeb dastaan hai yeh…

Khair, I would love to hear your views on the singers and songs.

Regards,

Farzana

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Shirin Ahmed (#190&200):

Bahut shukria, badi meherbaani for your encouraging words and for putting me back on the “adaab arz hai” track…nahin to hum bas yunhi behek jaate.

Talking of whichhhhhhhhhh…Shirinjee, ab to aapki shaamat aa gayi :) But I will not chew you up…that reference to anaar etc will get a lot of bhaunkte bande out from their mangers to take offence at what they would see as your giving me undue importance. Yes, although you think my interacts are like a Zee TV script (will not tell you what I think about those!), I am wondering whether yahan jo ho raha hai isme koi potential hai ya nahin. And where Studebaker is concerned, I think he has a sense of humour, which he is trying to express here :) Aap ki beshumaar muskurahatoun mein bahut taaseer hai!!

I think I will need that cuppa, if not at the Empress at least from a mallika-e-chai…btw, I do some strange things with tea, besides adding adrak. Have you tried chocolate granules? Or a pinch of coffee?

Notice how I changed the subject ;)

Stay right here.

Love,

Farzana

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Neptune (#203):

Precious! You have not said a word here about the story or the music being discussed. Yet you waste your valuable time to come here and ask people what they ought to do. I think you are pathetic on several counts…

1.I have not written the poem, so you do not have to tell ME about it;

2.You assume that by making a woman answerable for what she is not responsible for will make you score some brownie points;

3. The gender bias is so obvious, when you refuse to notice that Studebaker has used friendly language elsewhere too, and while addressing a man at that…for example…

[“ DOST mITTAR, i like you maan ,yaar,humdum,hamdard,huminsaan….. phir milenge dost”]

Of course, I do not need to justify how I react to various posts to you; I am merely showing you your dense head. And do not tell me that others have noticed THAT post as well…they are people I have got to sharing a rapport with after interacting for days and they are not judging anyone.

4. As for the suggestion that the two of us retreat into some chat room for what you call “goo-goo”, frankly, you have a sick mind. Besides, even if this is unpalatable to you, you have no business to ask me or anyone to go anyplace because this is not your Board, nor are you the arbitrator of what constitutes good taste, much less good poetry (since there has not been an intelligible word from you.) I am surprised when you have seen me at the receiving end of all those loons who go on a rampage with the most vicious and below-the-belt comments, you have never asked them to go to some chat room. Obviously, you do not find those things vulgar or offensive to your delicate sensibilities.

Now I Am Telling You This: Stay here only if you have something of consequence to say. Or get a life, so that you don’t have to worry about others.

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Studebaker (#197):

[“Jo insaan ehsaanoon se itna daba hua hai ke uske passe ab ``appreciation, thanks, dhanywaad, shukuriya`` ka SIKKKA,kuch baaqe nahi rah gaya ho.

Yaani,bik gaya jo woh khareedar nahi ho sakta

Kaise baazar ka dastoor tumhe samjhayen ,Farzana.”]

I did not expect you to take my comment about not thanking me so seriously :) I think you have thanked me enough; besides, I did what I did out of conviction. I would rather not understand the “bazaar ka dastoor”. Humein iss pakeezkgi ko kaayam rakhna hai!

“Wehshatein kuchch iss tarah apna muqaddar ho gayee

Hum jahan pahunche hamare saath veerane gaye.”

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Re: Studebaker #197

`Tear him for his bad verses, tear him for his bad verses.` - Hazrat Sheikh Peer (circa 1600 CE)

Farzana, is it possible that the two of you retreat into some chat room for a while? Mushy goo-goo is bad enough, but I definitely draw the line at bad poetry.

Studebaker # 197

``Aur Ahista zara kejiae batein, dil ki dharkanein koi sun raha ho ga ``....[Zafar G .]

Far-zaa-naa Jee :)

Aap ki to woh misal hotee ja rahee hai, ``Aik Anaar Sau Bimaar ``!!!!!

I`m out of here before you chew me up .....

First Urstruly , and now .....

Is waqt to waqai beshumar muskarahtoon key saath....

sa :) :)

Studebaker #

Thank you very much. I will look forwards to the words of the AMU Aligarh`s National Anthem. Actually it is for my father who went to that university.

sa :)

Dost-mittar, you are right,there are so many songs of those people, it will be hard to select a few from them. Well, name some more songs of Rafi abhi na jao chod kar, kabhi khud pe kabhi hawladpe rona aya, mai jindegika sath nibhata chala gaya,tum mujhe yu bhula na payoge, dilke jhaorke mei tujshe bithakar,janewale jara murke dekho,

suhani raat dhal chuki........

Bye.

Dear All,

There is a very nice music site on which one can listen to a lot of great songs, esp. the old ones.Some of you may already know about it , and for those who have not, hope you like it .

www.desimusic.com

love,

sa

RE: dost-mittar

``Farzana:

``Visa ke baare mein khali peeli bong kaahe ko maarta hai bhai:-). Throughout the world, visa is issued by the host country; so to go to Pakistan,``

Is this guy really trying to get Pakistani citizenship??? Please, please say it`s true!!!

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scout,
touba karou yaar...

mounh may bumb pathay.

:P

z.rizvi.

zehra #173 and urstruly,

i sense some `fatal` attraction between you two....

(wink nudge)

i`m gonna run away before you kill me Zebra ;)

Dear Dost-mittar, you are welcome. But can you give more pointer for the Rafi`s song that you asked? I am a die-hard Rafi fan, but did not hear that song, or at least not recognizing it. My favorites of Rafi are:

1. Jag dile diwana rut jagi, basle yar ki.

2. Bahos hawas mei diwana, mai aaj basiwat karta hoo, yeh dil ye jan mile tumko.

3. Jane kya dhundti rahti hai..

4. Badiya mera daman..

5. Tumne mujhe dekha hokar meherba..

6. Pathhar ke sanam..

7. Bare Bewafa hai ye husnewale..

8. Jo unki tammana hai barbad ho jaye.

9. Lakho hai nigahome,jindegiki rahome..

10. Teri akhon ke siba duniya me kya hai.

And many more.... Kaha chale gaye o sab log, Kishore, Rafi, Mukesh, Talat ..

Farzana # 141

Adaab Arz Hai ,

As always your interracts are delivered ``Taazgi key saath ``.They remind me of something out of a script from zeeT.V. :) notice the smilie at the end.much enjoyed !! [esp. the ones with fzk ]!!

they do NOT serve ``adrak ki chai ``, at the empress, but i DO at home , which probably means my house is MORE of an attraction, than the overated ``Empress Hotel`s High Tea ``!! Zoor kis pey hwa ?

take care , ab mein kiya saath karoon, chalein muskarahatein kar detein hoon , one smile makes another !!sa :)I hope it still works esp. at chowk, where I frown makes one smile !!

sa :)

Studebaker #

Can you please let me know where to find the Recent National Anthem of A.m.u. Aligarh, if it is somewhere on the net .

thanks .

sa :)

Studebaker (#169):

Thanks for giving me a genuine laugh at last…[“ Meine agar aap ke``appreciation` thanks dhanyawaad,shukirya karne lagoon to aap aapna mouh sharma ke aanchal se oorh leinge”]

Nahin ji. Koshish to kar ke dekh lijiye. Hum itne kamsin to hai nahin…as some of you ought to know by now. Or am I getting a new lease of life and a new reputation? As for giving guests only mithai so that there is no fear of ‘namak haraami’, I think I will take a risk. Hey, I am worried if people start thinking of me as a sweet (not so) li’l thing.

[“Woh qatal bhi karteine haine to charcha nahi hota

Hum aah bhi bharte haine to ho jate haine bADnaam!”]

What are you talking about? Hum ko to aah bharne ka mauka hi nahin milta…seedhe qat’l ka ilzaam padh jaata hai. Looks like you are seeking intellectual martyrdom at Chowk.

My best wishes, though you won’t need it!

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fzk (#171):

Chhokariya! Maee sochach nai sakti ke tu apun ka Bambaiyya itna chakaas bolegi. Ekdum first-class, paisa wasool. Kya yeh jo dishtance hai na, usko lekar bot tenshun hai. Ab bechara Bundu Khan, mere ko miss karta hoga re. Kaanda kabab ka naam kiya liya aur apun ko bas garma-garam cheej sab yaad aagaya. Yeh saala bheja ekdum ek track parich chalta..aur woh bhi jab chalta hai. Aakha time to hawa mein udta jaisa woh phillum mein heroine log ka dupatta ghoomta na.

Urstruly ko sharif bechara bachcha bola. Kya baat hai…wo ich haath aage daala na, aur apun hint le liya. Kuchch wrong kiya kya? Woh to angreji mein kuchch bola ke peeping Tom hai, matbal maalum karee maee… abhi apunko thoda sharam aata hai. Arre mereko bolna mangta ke yeh serious gajal or love ishory ka board ko apun ne down kar diya. Log bolega ke koi ijjat naich yeh aurat ki. Chalti main. Idhar se koi maal mangta to seeti maar…jhat se bhej dengi. A-one sitare ka promise nai kar re…aasman meinch milte hai woh to :)

Whew…you were good. I have unfortunately started this thing and got even a nice serious man talking this lingo. No wonder someone called me a loose cannon. Screw dheela, na?

Love,

Farzana

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dost-mittar (#183):

[“Visa ke baare mein khali peeli bong kaahe ko maarta hai bhai:-). Throughout the world, visa is issued by the host country; so to go to Pakistan, visa should be issued by Pakistan and not India. It would be stupid of me to assume, of course, that you are confusing

visa with passport.”]

Kya karega? Apunka chilaaneka aadat hai. Lekin khaali-peeli nai…Of course, I do know that the host country gives the vias:) And that is why I said they would assume I was a terrorist (my cousin’s was rejected recently) – they have reservations about us too, Muslim or otherwise :)

Par tohada shukria mainu batain vaaste. Main duniya bhar da safar keta hay par jaahil ke jaahil he rahey. Ab tasali te ho dy.

Regards,

Farzana

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Dear Urstruly:

Ab control nahin hota…you were trying to make a political statement with your story? Pleaaaaaseeee, I enjoyed it for its latent sensuality, its innocence, even its self-indulgence. And now you go and cut my wrists with this rapier-like pronouncement. Let us stick to “What is love without poetry?” Gives me reason to at least be certain of one!



And stop ‘choking’…unless you have to :)

Farzana

dost-mittar,

I think you have chalked out a wonderful itenary for Urstruly! So i am also giving the go ahead too:)

I have never been to calgary, i liked how you compared it as a mini dallas .My brother used to live in Dallas , so have made frequent trips there .Out of the large American cities , i like Dallas, and find it the least ``obnoxious``

and yes !!! we are canadian!! :) :)

Thank god !!

[no offence to my american friends. i guess we owe it to the flag] !!

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SameerJB

Thanks for your pointer to the VCD, I will definitely look at it once I get out of this temporary music-deaf state of mind. I am a die hard fan of Ata Ullah Khan Isa khailvi and once had his ``ni oothaaN waalay tur jaan gay`` taped on both sides of the cassette which I used to play non-stop. Have you read Dr. Younus Butt especially his ``too too main main``-I must admit that guy ``phatiaN bhan ditiaN nay`` :)

FZK

ur Pushto non comprende

Dost_Mitter

You are welcome. I am unfamiliar with Inderjit; probably I have heard him without knowing his name. I suggest that you write to apnaorg people about it. They are very receptive.

I think with persian script, all punjabi sounds are available, including `bh` except the sound of soft N coupled with a hard R. But such accent is particular to southern punjab and siraiki belt. Sindhi has its own alphabet to pronounce N-R combination. I have read some Panjabi authors using that particular sindhi alphabet. Sindhi again is written in arabic/persian script.

I did learn gormukhi script while I was a student a few years ago from a sikh friend. But then due to lack of practice and exposure (and sikh friend being a male) I have forgot most of the alphabets:). I think it will take a week for me to be on track again.

Zehra

You must be hallucinating under the spell of anti-depressants :)

yerstruly...
your email keep freezing up my inbox so i had to delete it without reading it.
sorry..i think you were in the process of begging for forgivness or something :)

rizvi.

Dear Shirin

Yellow Knife was on my wish list until I saw the real fury of blizzards trapped in a northern Ontario nowehere-land. I was fascinated by it (YK) for two reasons, one was, it being the Northern most end of the world where some civilization exists and second was an inspiration from short story writer (forgetting his name) who always writes about snow-storms, bears, and wolves etc.-your kids might know his name-he is big.

Dear Urstruly #160

Guess most women are elemental.

And confuse you men when we are not in our

usual elements. Id rather have the Water and

Fire and Earthy elements describe me, not airy..:)

Anyway, why be like every other writer has done before. And why deliberately sound political?

Why the comparison?

Its Facism really.

The whole Aryan /non-Aryan thing must end.

Be you. :) What says you fellow Aryan, Farzana?

Rgds,

fzk/..

Aey Farzana #143

Mein kiya boloon? Mereko itnaij problem tere paas aane ko jitna tereko he -kiya re?

Pun jub upoon ko visa/tickut lage ga, toh jo too bolegi hum apne dabbe mein bhar ke laega -kiya?

Imitaz or mushy Mushy ke saath hone ka toh nahi pata, apne type ka area hij nahi. Magar Imtiaz

ke ilawa aur bhi jiyada A-one sitare millenga.

Bol, aati kiya Karachi?

Mein tereko Bundu Khan ka kaanda kabab khilaegi.

Urstruly apni baatien koh igonore marejaega,

bohat sharif hae bacha bechara.

Love,fzk/..

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Urstruly #161

Calgary itself is just another city, but what is really worth is touring the Canadian Rockies, and passing through places like Banff, Lake Louise , and adjacent vicinity. You could make Calgary your starting point or ending of the journey . drive through these places .

Victoria is a real `` koh kaaf ``, acc. to our family and friends in Pakistan .For most people generally Canada begins in Toronto and ends there :)So Victoria somehow is still the world`s best kept secrets , though is being discovered gradually, and now i consider it to be rush hour if i have 10 cars in front of me, as opposed to 4 , in the earlier years , and i consider it busy in the shopping mall if there are 6 people ahead of me in the line up for payments , instead of 3 !! so it is getting bigger by victoria standards !!

However the Victorians hate changes , so i dont think it will ever loose its naturalbeauty and Heavens never get commercialised . At least till the Nearly Deads are around :)

Do give us a shout whenever you plan a trip. We would be truly delighted to show us around `` koh kaaf ``!

Btw , i cannot deny all that Dost Mittar # 150 has said about it :)

Yellow Knife !! now i am really trying to think how that fits in ? no,no, not even White Horse , regardless of how fanciful there names sound !! please keep away from those places , unless you want to display your wrists thee to someone :)

take care ,

Dost -mittar # 150

I am not a ``Lakhnavi ``, but quite close :

I think Dosanjh`s days are now outnumbered , aur un key Raaj key dinoon Ka sikha aab ziyada nahin chaley ga !! this is the definate feel here .He need 40 seats to form the govt. whether it is going to be zero or 10, he is definately going to loose !

The election date is close approaching so lets see !

love ,

sa :)

Studebaker

I think I had not written anything to be qualified as lecturing. Even when writing about Sati, I did not claim to know the origin of word. I simply mentioned whatever I knew about the custom. I am very well aware of the fact that Urdu contains Sanskrit words. In the same manner, spoken Hindi also contains several words with different origins. In fact, when a language spreads or comes into contact with another, there is invariably some exchange between the two. However the kind of response my post elicited from you makes me think that you are basically insecure and on a perpetual lookout for any real or imaginary slight. Goodluck.

Sincerely

Urstruly #162: Thanks a lot for providing the link. I recall this site by some other name few months ago. Both Manzur Ejaz and Dr. Tariq Rehman are very qualified and talented individuals. I have previously did cut-n-paste job from their articles regarding origin of Punjabi language and rebuttal of Punjabi politics bashing.

They have doen good job of improving this site with the addition of poetry and music. I am going to send them a note of thanks and best wishes.

P.S. If you like watching video or DVD`s, a good music video out couple of months ago is ``Ajit Sabhyacharak Mela 2000``. It was held in Jullundhar with most of the well-known east Punjabi artists taking part in it. Never seen a Punjabi concert quite like it.

temporal # 145

Excusssssssse meeeeeeee !! i donot like to be addressed as `` yaar `` aur aap ka zoor ka qehqaha kuch aur hee nai kahani suna raha hai .... :)

sa

Studebaker (#156):

Trust you to do this. First you put a friend (dost) in the pyre (sati) and then you say this…

[“When it comes to make big bucks for box ofice hits ,the hindi directors run to urdu poets ,for the musical language sweet sounding & versatile array words ,but in All cerifiactes its HINDI given as language of movie.!!”]

Who is stopping the Urdu poets from escaping these vile clutches? We all know that Urdu is an Indian language. But what we hear spoken in Hindi films is not khalis Urdu; it is at best Hindustani. Yes, Urdu shayars have contributed immensely to Hindi cinema and been awarded and rewarded for it. But let us not forget that it was Majrooh Sultanpuri (much as I respect him) who wrote the lyrics, “CAT cat, cat maane billi…BOY boy, boy maane ladka”. So, what certificate do you think a film should have under such circumstances – pidgin? And just a while before that you were talking about how we ought not to sanitize a language. Hindi happens to be the national language of our country, and anything that technically qualifies as such will be certified thus.

Now, I only hope you don’t resent my ‘namak-halali’, for I am not implying any namak-haraami on your part. Which reminds me, after all the hurt you expressed about the different standards people adopt for both of us, I had gone and defended you on the other Board. Not one word of appreciation, thanks, dhanyawaad, shukria from you. Hell, is duniya mein insaaf hi nahin :)

Dear fzk (# 141):

So when are you visiting Bombay? Hmmm….aadha kilo hapshee halwa le aana … Aur kuchch portable, desirable cheez hogi to bataa denge…you know the kind that are yum but not quite edible:)

[“But jokes aside, if u ever visit Karachi, u must look me up! We will try to have

healthy fun as girls should! ;) And i wont let you get into trouble either.”]

You mean to say I go through hell getting a visa, after standing before a fellow who thinks I have all the makings of a terrorist and will stamp the passport only if some relative is dying (I would be sent an SOS in the first place to expedite that trip to heaven, of course) or getting married (same thing), I would NOT want to get into any trouble? Arre, when I return I must have something to show for all my troubles, no?

Of course, I will be visiting to collect my ‘Sitara-e-Imtiaz’. Would getting mushy with Mushy qualify as meritorious service? Kuchch idea hai kya karna chahiye to become a ishtaar and get Imtiaz, whoever he is?

[“Oh, and hey, Urstruly dont second me! Ure way up ahead on her list than i am! ;)”]

Achcha? How did you know about the list? Lekin aap to mushkil mein daal dogi. Are you aware that Urstruly is a conservative at heart? I mean, he will start calling me Ms. Versey all over again! And then he will give you a piece of his mind about how we are all his respected guests!

As for not being typical ‘elemental women’…I think we would give those kuddis a run for their paraandis. After all, as genetic Bombaywallas, apunka ishtyle ach alag hai. Kya bolti tu?

Toot-toot,

MOST COMPREHENSIVE PUNJABI POETRY SITE

sameerJB, you are gonna like this:

http://www.apnaorg.com/

Unfortunately all poetry is in Persian Text, so may be it might not be as useful to Indian friends. I think Dost-Mitter once mentioned that he can read this text. The apna org people have done an incredible work, especially with the content, layout, and quality of presentation.

Dear Shirin!

Like another interactor, there are two cities on my wish list-Calgary, I think it is called the city of roses- and Victoria, Koh Kaaf as yu call it. Another city was Yellowknife (northern Territory)but later I dropped it. Once I spent Christmas holidays trapped in a plant in Northern Ontario, where I was sent from milder Southern US temperature zone, to do some installation work at a plant. Since then I hate all those places that turn white during winter. A story is in the making, about that particular experience; will share with you all soon.

FZK

I truly and honestly beleive that all women are Elemental Women. I must, however, admit that I was deliberately trying to make a political statement when I was writing this story. Hey! everone else has done it. Ghaalib, Krishan Chandar, Manto, Amarta Preetam, Chughtai, just name it.

And dont worry about me (or my wrists) too much. I am just playing hard-to-get :)

Correction to 157

The pure Punjabi equivalent is not Yaar it is ``Sajjan`` or ``bailee``. I think ``sajjan`` has its roots in Sanskrit whereas ``bailee`` is original Punjabi.

Dear Farzana

As a matter of fact I am really glad that the poets and urdu poetry lovers chose to stop by at this thread. What is love without poetry? Unfortunately, for the time being I am out of poetry mode for a while-again-being impulsive with poetry and music-so couldnt contribute much. I am also glad that the poetry lovers have not turned it into a Maatmi Fiza, which is usually the case when poets start talking about their lost love. I find it chocking.

You are all very welcome to peep here as long as you want. You know about me, I am a bonafied peeping Tom.

The word Dost is basically Persian, meaning ``friend``-Urdu/Punjabi equivalent is ``Yaar``. Another equivalent is word ``Anees`` which is basically Arabic but it is used both in Urdu and Persion. As a matter of fact ``Yaar`` is originally also a persian word. As Pankaj pointed out Mitter is the sanskrit/hindi equivalent.

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Let us who can match this one of the most beautiful naz`m ever written-by Noon Meem Rashid. Just read it slowly in mind, without moving your lips.

sochta hooN buhut saada-o-massom hey woh

maiN abhi us ko shanasa-e-mohabbat na karuN

rooh ko us ke aseer-e-gham-e-ulfat na karuN

us ko ruswa na karoN, waq`f-e-museebat na karuN

sochta hooN keh mohabbat hey jawani ki khizaN

us ne dekha naheeN dunya maiN baharoN ke siwa

nikhat-e-noor se labrez nazzaroN kay siwa

sabza zaroN kay siwa aur sitaoN kay siwa

sochta hooN keh gham-e-dil na sunauN us ko

samney us kay kabhi raz ko uryaN na karuN

khalish-e-dil se usse dast-o-gareebaN na karuN

us kay jazbaat ko shola-e-badamaN na karuN

sochta hooN jala dey gee mohabbat us ko

woh mohabbat kee taab kahaN laye gee

khud to woh aatish-e-jazbat maiN jal jaye gee

aur dunya ko is anjaam peh taRhpaye gee

Sochta hooN buhut saada-o-masoom hey woh

maiN usse waqif-e-ulfat na karuN

(Guess, how old is she? Is she only 12 or will turn 54 on August 14, 2001?)

Studebaker#140

My dear friend(dost), it is not ``Dosat`` but ``Dost``.

Dost=friend in Urdu

Mittar:= The origin of this word is ``mitra``, a Sanskrit word that again means friend. And its origin is not the word ``Sati``.

Also you have misspelt ``Sameer``. Sameer, again is a Sanskrit word that means ``breeze``. The other synonyms for Sameer in Sanskrit are ``Malay``, ``Pawan``,``Vaayu`` etc. But I also wonder that his name has a Sanskrit root unlike most of the muslim names.

Just a curiosity, do you know Hindi/Urdu or have you ever visited Indian subcontinent(You say you are an Indian Muslim but I find it hard to believe that you dont know the word ``dost`` so commonly used in India.)

Sati , as a custom, seems to have gained popularity in 12th century among Rajputs, when their womenfolk used to burn themselves en masse after the defeat of their menfolk, to preserve their honour. The jauhar of Rani Padmini to preserve her honour from Alauddin Khilzi has acquired a high place in the folk legends. This custom of Sati finds no mention in any religious textbooks like Vedas, Upnishadas or even Manusmriti, that were written before 9th century. However another concept called ``Pativrata`` finds frequent mention in the ancient texts of Hindus. A ``pativrata`` naari is the one who takes utmost care of his husband`s need and never even thinks about other men even in dreams(this concept sounds very sexist in modern era.)The story of Satyawan-Savitri has come to be regarded as a sort of definition of a ``Pativrata`` Stree(woman). But then there is also a concept of ``Ek-patnivrata`` purush ie. a man with only one wife that also finds mention although less frequently.

PS ``Mitra`` is also the name of a Vedic God associated with ``Varun``. ``Varun`` is supposed to be the next most important God after Indra in Rigveda but is considered most important in Zend Avesta, the holy book of Zorastrians(sp ?)/ancient Iranians. The God mitra finds mention in both ancient Iranian texts and Vedas. I wonder what could have been the meaning of this word ``mitra`` in Vedic Sanskrit(slightly different from modern sankrit) or ancient Iranian language.

Sincerely

Shirin #145:

...wah yaar kya baat banaai hay..maan ga`aye:)

...aaj pata chala kay yeh shirni kitni `kaRRvi` aur `talkh` bhee ho sakhti hay...aik bar phir..buhat khoob.

pyar,

t

shima: Yes that is the site where I copied that song. I might have it in my collection too but why bother writing it yourself.

Studebaker: The key to search engine is right spelling and right combination of words. Recently, a person at punjabi.net wanted to know about Pothwar region of Punjab and best spelling at search engine was ``potwar``.

Scout: I am glad you liked it. Kaifi Azmi (Syed Athar Rizvi Azamgarhi) is a good poet. He went to seminary but could not become a mullah, instead became a communist. His wife, Shaukat,

was a great artist and their daughter Shabana Azmi does not need any introduction. She is married to Javed Akhtar, son of another great poet from Bhopal, Jan Nisar Akhtar.

Sameer, are you referring to this site? It is indeed very extensive. Check it out. http://www.cs.wisc.edu/

sameerjb #138,

great song, greater lyrics, good movie too. though quite `filmi` kaifi azmi`s shairi is quite refined and polished.

thanks for posting the lyrics.

Urstruly # 120

``Is it morally correct to pray for the growth of business of a doctor or an undertaker ? just let me know in what other way i can wish you well ?

Hmmmm ! let me think !

Victoria has a reputation for being the city of the ``Newly Weds or the Nearly Dead``. If only the Nearly Deads would become Newly weds , then i see a possibility of the business of undertakers slowing down a bit, which would mean our medical offices staying populated , and if God continues to do the healing we can charge our fee :)

``My Rosie and me don`t go hand in hand .Although she is my next door neighbourette and usually meets me in the elevator in the morning when i am leaving for work :)``

Well Rozie certainly has her timings right to start with . the :) at the end means you like this arrangement for starters , so i wish Sammy [ i assume Sami would be reduced to that !] and Rosie Happy morning encounters ! Just remember to put your best wrist forwards !

:) sa

I had posted this earlier , but i guess like so many other things it losts its way in cyber space !

Urstruly # 120

``Is it morally correct to pray for the growth of business of a doctor or an undertaker ? just let me know in what other way i can wish you well ?

Hmmmm ! let me think !

Victoria has a reputation for being the city of the ``Newly Weds or the Nearly Dead``. If only the Nearly Deads would become Newly weds , then i see a possibility of the business of undertakers slowing down a bit, which would mean our medical offices staying populated , and if God continues to do the healing we can charge our fee :)

``My Rosie and me don`t go hand in hand .Although she is my next door neighbourette and usually meets me in the elevator in the morning when i am leaving for work :)``

Well Rozie certainly has her timings right to start with . the :) at the end means you like this arrangement for starters , so i wish Sammy [ i assume Sami would be reduced to that !] and Rosie Happy morning encounters ! Just remember to put your best wrist forwards !

:) sa

I had posted this earlier , but i guess like so many other things it losts its way in cyber space !

Farzana # 136

Dear Farzana,

you say ``to wear earplugs as i have a tendency to break into song ``....

Well, I now take all prophylactic measures when i come to Chowk , and my earplugs are very much in place , which has prevented my threshold from falling below sea level !

I think we will survive it , and i have a premonition quite well !looking forwards to it .

Aur aap kehtee hain key aap Bombay mein rehtee hain, `` you may not like it , are summers are not so pleasant ``.

Aap to waqai Jannat mein rehtee hain. I have always wanted to visit that bustling city .Another city to visit on my wish list is Jaipur !

Aur raha hum kahan rehtain hain .... Canada key aik koh kaaf key hisa mein jisae Victoria kehtae hain !

love,

sa :)

Dear fzk:

[“Im very much there and reading all, but i sound so unserious in your shaariee repartee that i break the flow! Altho i love reading it, im afraid im not too good at writing it or reproducing it off hand.”]

Has it struck you that I could just be showing off:) Anyway, one loves the kheencha-taani, you know leg and wrist-pulling.

[“Farzana, i dont know much abt u, aap kidhar rehti hein apne khayalon ke ilawa on the planet, ie.? U sound so amazingly interesting and fun!

Would love to get to know u!”]

Gosh, don’t do this to me…ab tak kisi ne humein aisa nahin kaha Chowk par…As regards wanting to know more about me, this is my moment. All this while people have told me what I am, now I can speak for myself….but you would not want to take the risk of too much info…on my first big date years ago when the bloke asked me, “So tell me about yourself”, I spent three hours telling him the story of my birth, you know mother’s labour pains se leke my memories of the hospital. Seriously. I remember. Rahee baat rehne ki…I live in Bombay….I think! Most times though, I lead a gypsy-like existence. I guess you will find bits and pieces of me around as and when you see me…And then you might have second thoughts…

Love,

Farzana

Urstruly:

What do you second FZK for? This… “Mujhe bhi wrist ke uppur (aur neeche ) ki interest hae, lekin jehadi apni kalayi ke ilawa kuch aur pesh hi nahi karahe hein...afsos”]?

Chalo, jawaab do! And thanks for letting us have a run of the place with ghazals and poems…we were soooo starved…you let us feed on bards and sometimes (in my case only, okkkkkkkk?) our own bile.

Ab shaayad yeh board main page se hat jayega…I would really love it if we could all continue peeping in there once in a while. What say ppbb??

Farzana,

My family is originally from Bombay too! :)

But i have never visited. Born and brought up Karachiite Pakistani. So a bombaywali genetically and have a bombaywala attitude and humor - :)

ull know what i mean...

I have allllwaaaaysss wanted to go to Bombay,

visit my dadyaal etc. Now ure

on my list too.

Oh, and hey, Urstruly dont second me!

Ure way up ahead on her list than i am! ;)

Unfortunately both of us arent the typical

and northern `elemental women` u write about.

Maybe much more in some aspects though!

(Elemental women, dont take it personally,

i said `maybe`)

But jokes aside, if u ever visit Karachi,

u must look me up! We will try to have

healthy fun as girls should! ;)

And i wont let you get into trouble either.

love,

fzk/..

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dost-mittar ji #123: Bazurgo, thorhi jinni koshish naal shola Aur Shabnam de barey ich sab kuch internet te mil janda aey. Ik google search di maar naheeN. Eh lo tuhadi khidmat ich hazir aey.

Lyricist: Kaifi Azmi

Music: Khayyam

jaane kyaa DhuNDhati rehti haiN ye aaNkhaiN mujh maiN

raakh ke Dher maiN sholaa hai na chiNgaari hai

ab na woh pyaar na usaki yaadaiN baaqi

aag yuN dil maiN lagi kuchh na rahaa kuchh na bacha

jis ki tasveer nigaahoN maiN liye baiThee ho

maiN woh diladaar naheeN usakii huN khaamosh chitaa

ziNdagi haNs ke na guzarti to bahut achchhaa thaa

khair haNs ke na sahii ro ke guzar jaayegi

raakh barabaad muhabbat ki bacha rakhi hai

baar-baar is ko jo chheRha to bikhar jaayegi

aarazu jurma, vafa jurm, tamannaa hai gunaaha

ye woh duniya hai jahaaN pyaar naheeN ho sakataa

kaise baazaar kaa dastuur tumhaiN samajhaauN

bik gayaa jo vo khariidaar naheeN ho sakataa ...

FV
I will second FZK.

Dear Shirin:

I assume you are referring to the “taqdeer ki gardish kya kam thi…” song. I am afraid I do not know which film it is from, except that it is circa late 50s; the singer is Lata Mangeshkar. Unfortunately, this is not among the very popular numbers, though I love it.

[“God we must meet sometime !What a blast that would be !”]

Sure, sounds good. I hope you wear earplugs though, for I have a tendency to break into song! Btw, which part of the world are you in? I am in Bombay, which you might not ever like to visit. Summers here aren’t beautiful:)

Feels good to share, anyway…

Farzana

Dear Shirin:

I assume you are referring to the “taqdeer ki gardish kya kam thi…” song. I am afraid I do not know which film it is from, except that it is circa late 50s; the singer is Lata Mangeshkar. Unfortunately, this is not among the very popular numbers, though I love it.

[“God we must meet sometime !What a blast that would be !”]

Sure, sounds good. I hope you wear earplugs though, for I have a tendency to break into song! Btw, which part of the world are you in? I am in Bombay, which you might not ever like to visit. Summers here aren’t beautiful:)

Feels good to share, anyway…

Farzana

My dear Urstruly (#111) and dearest Farzana (#113)

Mein gussa nahi hoon neither have quit!

And im not off the tease list either.

Im very much there and reading all,

but i sound so unserious

in your shaariee repartee that i break the

flow! Altho i love reading it, im afraid im not too good at writing it or reproducing it off hand.

Mujhe bhi wrist ke uppur (aur neeche ) ki interest

hae, lekin jehadi apni kalayi ke ilawa kuch aur pesh hi nahi karahe hein...afsos.

Farzana, i dont know much abt u, aap kidhar rehti

hein apne khayalon ke ilawa on the planet, ie.? U sound so amazingly interesting and fun!

Would love to get to know u!

Love..fzk/..

AAmir # RE: poetry by Sahir !

What a post ! Wow :) This brings me to one thought , and that is it would be very nice to see a site reserved for poetry only at Chowk .

Heloooo Chowk Staff are you listening ?

Really enjoyed it , and many thanks for such an outstanding effort .

I guess now none of us can complain that Sahir has been overlooked in our tributes :)

sa

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Dear Farzana,

That was lovely. can u please let me know which film it is from, and also possibly the singer if you happen to know? Thanks !

God we must meet sometime !What a blast that would be !

luv,

sa

Urstruly (#121):

My dear PPBB!

Of course I expected you to notice that I called you a jehadi. And if you have been following my articles you know exactly what I think about them – they are “loving and caring” indeed :) About schizophrenia, everyone in this world is schizophrenic, only some are clinically certified.

[“In this cartoon devil is welcoming a person in hell and asking him to choose one of the

doors in front of him. There is a sign on one door that says ``Damned if you do`` and the sign on the other door says ``Damned if you don`t``. And devil is poking his three-pronged fork in his back to make it quick. So….”]

I usually opt for the ‘damned if you do’ option, for at least then when I am supping with the devil, I know I am there after having done something. Life makes a mockery by pretending to offer many choices, when in fact it is just these two.

Here is another gem from an old film:

“Taqdeer ki gardish kya kam thi

Uss par yeh qayamat kar baithe

Betaabe dil jab hadd se badhi

Ghabra ke mohabbat kar baithe…

Aankon se chhalakte hai aansoon

Dil chupke-chupke rota hai

Jo baat hamare bus ki na thi

Uss baat ki himmat kar baithe…”

AAmir (#124):

Rana Akbarabadi ko shukria kahoon ya phir aapko? I felt like a khuli hui kitaab after reading it...thanks for reaching out.

[“duniyaa bhii milii hai Gam-e-duniyaa bhii milaa hai

vo kyuu.N nahii.n milataa jise maa.Ngaa thaa Khudaa se

??????????????????????????????/”]

Jab hum kuchch nahin kehte to phir maang kaise sakte? And who will read my sealed lips:)

Khair, here is something…

“Maine maangi thi masjidon mein dua

Main jisse chahata hoon woh mujhko mile

Mera jo farz tha maine poora kia

Ab khuda bhool jaaye to main kya karoon…”

PS: The Bengali teacher happened years ago. Anyway, I am not particularly “careful” about such things…”jo thi aaj tak haqeeqat wohi ban gayee fasaana”…

[“understanding male of her community”]. That was cute!

Regards,

Farzana

AAmir # 124

That was beautiful!

Thanks :)

sa

aicha #

Thank you so much. i know of the site , but somehow have not sat down to actually benefitting from it .I will have to dispell my inertia , and become more of a computer buff now !

I really appreciate the awareness !

Take care ,

sa

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Shireen Ahmed

``Actually i have never heard Hari Prasad Chaurasiya before.Thanks for mentioning him .I wish i could do it A.S.A.P. but one of the hazards of small town living is we can`t !``

Well now you can careof the internet. Pls visit www.napster.com. Once you have downloaded & installed napster you can then download any artists music (at no cost even now - i think) onto your hard-disk and enjoy enjoy enjoy

aicha

Dear Farzana,

Kuchch kehne pe toofan utha deti hai duniya,
ab iss pe qayamat hai ke hum kuchch nahin kehte…”

Gee that was good. Though In my case it is the other way around. I am thinking about your question….``which is better poison``……. and looking at my table calendar in front me right now; it is the popular comic series ``The Far Side``. In this cartoon devil is welcoming a person in hell and asking him to choose one of the doors in front of him. There is a sign on one door that says ``Damned if you do`` and the sign on the other door says ``Damned if you don`t``. And devil is poking his three-pronged fork in his back to make it quick. So….

And what do you mean by ``pata hay woh kis kisam ka jihadi hay``. I heard that, Ok :) I am a loving and caring person (when my schizophrenia calms down).

Dear Shirin # 115

My Rosie and me don`t go hand in hand. Although she is my next door neighborette and usually meets me in the elevator, in the morning, when I am leaving for work :)

Regards

PS. Is it morally correct to pray for the growth of business of a doctor or an undertaker? Just let me know in what other way I can wish you well?

I think any poetry attracts attention towards itself only when it is sung by a woman. Qasmi is very un-fortunate in this regard.

t

have you ever seen me running from scrutiny?

Sameer #106:

I had briefly alluded to both Faiz and Qasmi in #95. Had the pleasure of the company of Faiz Sahib both here and in Lahore. And met Qasmi saheb here and there also.

If we were to paint the last century in broad strokes...with reference to Urdu poetry...the first half belonged to Iqbal and Noon Meen Rashid and the last half to Faiz.

Qasmi’s misfortune as a poet is/was he could not crawl out of Faiz’s shadow. Even his versatility and longevity cannot help him there.

Literary standings are the signs of populist democracy of the reader in action.

I am afraid Qasmi will not gain on Faiz in this court of public opinion.

There was a very interesting exchange of correspondence between Ahmed Nadim Qasmi and Saqi Faroouqui....(as an aside... Saqi told me he sent it for publication to a few Pakistani publications...who invariably begged off publishing them...citing personal and business reasons...like they may receive physical harm or their businesses may be burned down)... with Qasmi’s permission, Saqi had them published in an Urdu paper in India...have a copy of that...if interested make travel plans to head North next long week-end:)

Ras #96:

Thanks for that poem. Did you attend the recital? She has written one beautiful poem lamenting the Indian fundamentalist’s refusal to learn any lessons from the fundamentalists across the border about the futility of the exercise.

Have you read Saqi Farooqui? Here is my translation of one of his poem.

WOUNDED CAT IN AN EMPTY SACK

Jan Mohammed Khan
this is no easy journey
in this empty gunny sack
life suffocates
Jute strands pierce the heart
and on the foggy cornea
coins of moonlight cascade
and darkness overwhelms the body

Today on your bare back
who’d lit the fire
who’d fire the coal
who’d blossom the blood stained
flowers of strife?

My fiery claws are listless
today the journey is not easy
Presently this path abruptly will stop
at the dirty pond
and ensconced in the loneliness of my coffin
I’ll embrace sleep
water to water, dust to .....
And you’ll have to move on-------
move on as if in trance
And you cannot fathom that invisible sack------
you can’t recognise your own sack
Jan Mohammed Khan
this is no easy journey.




urstruly 101:

Shurkria.

(Read a post on the other board...shaking my head...no...you cannot claim to be a “bigot and ignorant” who asks pertinent questions ONLY and thus escape scrutiny... that is not consistent...and doesn’t go well in my book:)

rgds,

t

Dear Urstruly,

Wrists and ``humaree Rozee `` go hand in hand .The minute we take our fingers off the wrist, our income stops there !

This is both true for Drs. and the chorree waalas who try their best to fit the smallest choorian into the heftiest of wrists !

just a funny, spontaneous thought :)

sa

This is a real gem from the works of Faiz :-

Sach hai hamin ko aapke shikwe baja na they,

Be shak sitam janaab ke sab dostaana they.

Haan jo jafa bhi aap ne ki qaaide se ki,

Haan hum hi kaarband-e-asul-e-wafa na they.

Aae to yun ke jaise hamesha the mehrbaan,

Bhule to yun ke goya kabhi aashna na they.

Kyon daad-e-gham hamin ne talab ki bura kiya,

Ham se jahaan mein kushta-e-gham aur kya na they .

Gar fikr-e-zakham ki to khataawar hain ke hum

Kyon mahwa-e-madah-e-khubi-e-teg-e-ada na they.

Har chaaragar ko chaaragari se gurez tha,

Warna hamein jo dukh the bahut laadawa na they .

Lab par hai talkhi-e-mai-e-ayyaam warna Faiz,

Ham talkhi-e-Kalaam par maayal zara na they .

sa

Sameer (#97,98):

I have read ‘Parchaiyan’, but the copy was borrowed and not returned. I suppose my best bet is to scour the second-hand book stalls in some gullies…I may strike lucky.

The Bengali singers you mentioned were mainly giving playback in films, and Hindi cinema has always been cosmopolitan (remember the best filmi bhajan, “Man tadpat hari darshan ko aaj” was composed by Naushad Ali and sung by Mohammed Rafi), but for private music, that too with an element of purity, there is certainly a mental clock. Pankaj Udhas is a Gujarati (I was not aware there was a Pakistani city called Gujarat) and all the brothers are singers, the other two, Manhar and Nirmal, concentrate on Gujarati ghazals and songs.

Yes, I agree with you about the recycling, but what disgusts me even more is when people like Lata and Asha do the same with their old songs, to prevent someone else from taking away their market share. Btw, Lata has sung some fine ghazals composed by Madan Mohan, my favourite being “Yun Hasraton ke daag mohabbat ne dho diye, khud dil se dil ki baat kahee aur ro diye…”. But she insists on saying ‘moohubbat”!

Thanks for sharing those couplets.

dost-mittar (#100 & 108)

It was nice to be further enlightened about the Hindi-Punjabi conflict. About Saigal, do you like “Nayan heen ko raah dikha Prabhu”? It is simple and beautiful.

Just this morning I was thinking about Talat Mahmood, and then I read your post. Yes, he was good, though limited. I think that flawed breathlessness in his voice added kashish to his singing. I just love his “Seene mein sulagte hai armaan, aankhon mein udaasi chchayee hai…”

His private albums did not do well at all, and I find them rather substandard.

Shirin Ahmed (#104):

The Bengali teacher and his dhoti happened when I was in college. The harmonium sits forlornly in a corner. The voice does get its riyaaz and shatters a few pieces of glass, a feat only paralleled by Tansen I am told:)

[“Aur ap kehtee hain ``Haie aisa hota nahin ``!! aik nuskha batoon? Ankhein band kar key meri tarah dekhna shuru karein !aur yeh gaien ``Ae Jazba-e-Dil Gar Mein Chahoon, Har cheez Muqabil Ajai ``....

aap ko khud hairangee ho jaie gee , is tarah kitnae fasley aasani sey tey ho jatey hain ... kitnae khwab poorae ho jatein hain !!”]

Bahut shukria…for sharing these thoughts with me. My problem is I am not a mere “romantic at heart”; it ascends to the mind and if it is possible the body and all actions are the result of such jazbaat. Rahee aankhein band rakhne ka nuskha…well, I day dream all the time, so eyes wide shut…Ya phir woh shair hai na…

“Marne ke baad bhi meri aankhein khuli rahee, aadat padi thee unhe intezaar ki

Jab tujhe dil se bhulaane ki kasam khaayee hai, ab pehle se bhi zyaada teri yaad aayi hai.”

Aur raha enjoying reading more than I have enjoyed writing, not possible. Do haathon se taali bajhti hain, na?

Khair, this was a wonderful reprieve from the dishum-dishum stuff elsewhere…lekin maidan-e-jung chhod bhi nahin sakte. Besides, jis sheh’r mein hum rahte hain, sirf garm hawa chalti hain aur thandi saanse lete hain!

Tell me how it is going with the Chinese harp…if you need some help with some Chinese words, ask me. I might try to learn something new besides the few things I know.

fzk(#108):

Aap to bura maan gaye…whatever gave Urstruly the idea that we were his guests? Hum to mezbaani karne lage…maafi kis baat ki? What do you mean some g