Sher Shah Suri

ylh:

Seriously, I dont know the reason why India wants to build ICBMs. There must be some strategic funda behind it... also building it should not be too difficult, as we can reuse the learnings from our space programme.

Sure it diverts resources that could otherwise go to meeting our basic needs. But thankfully our nuclear or missile programs do not cost as much as the American or Russian ones...

I dont think ICBMs are the most wasteful expenditure for India - bloated bureaucracy and corruption are more harmful. Eg: the number of employees in IA/AI per aircraft is about ten times or more that of other countries. Less than ten paise of every development rupee reaches the poor. Just think - if even 50 paise per rupee reached the intended beneficiary, we would have five times as much schools, dispensaries etc for the same money!

hobbyty #839:

``Are you not being extremely selective when you suggest that only Indians and Pakistani share a heritage - don`t Afhgans and assorted Turkic peoples share a heritage with Pakistanis and indians.``

They do. So do Bangladeshis, Nepalis and Sri Lankans too. But my post was restricted to Indians and Pakistanis.

``Indians seem to want to connect only with the territory of India...``

What`s wrong with that? Do you want Akhand Bharat to cover other regions too? ;-) And Indians/Hindus itself being a geographic description, which other land would they `connect` with?

``..., whereas Pakistani connect with the entire Muslim ummah. I am at a loss to understand why this fact bothers Indians so much.``

I`m not sure if it bothers Indians in general. But I for one wish Pakistanis were more aware or recognised our shared heritage. I`d like to highlight Bangladesh as an example. Sure it is a Muslim country, but it does recognize its shared roots with India (Bengal) in terms of culture, history, music, literature etc. Maybe sigalph can throw more light on this - I think India-BD views on history are not different - our heroes are not their villains and vice-versa.

Ref Studebaker #: 865

[ATLAST IN 4 DAYS ,COMES UP WITH JAG AS ANSWER,]

Busy with other things, Doc, such as talking about ICBMs.

My answer (I drive a Jag) was enclosed in quotes. You need to figure out why I said that! I have been quite patriotic and have been driving only well-made American cars.

[ANTIQUE STUDEBAKER]

I used to have an Olds Delta 88 once. Monster that had a 455 CID engine. Those were the days!

YLH #854:

``Because the Dalai Lama understands that what happened 1500 years ago is not relevant.``

But, how is it relevant what happened 500 years back (Sher Shaw Suri) or for that matter 60 - 70 years back (Jinnah).

How illogical can you get?

sigalph235,

i apologize for thinking you were indian. my bad.

but i still stand behind what i said in my post.

don`t make me go back into chowk history and pull out exactly crap rsaxena has said about islam and muslims.

anyway, i don`t really care what he says anymore.

you can`t stop a pavlovian dog from salivating at the sound of a bell.

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Dear Inyourface,

You say something on the lines, ``why did Dalai Lama come to such fascist country XYZ etc etc``

Now since when did India become a fascist country? But can anyone tell me why Mr Fitz Haber, the Jewish genius, invent the Haber process for Nazi Germany?

Anyone?

re scout 850

``Oh please, that`s quite a stretch for defending Rsaxena. He`s made fun of and passed rude comments aobut Islam time and time again. Are you blind?``

I have 20/20 vision. You may not, it seems from your post. I am not an Indian or a Hindu; if you haven`t noticed that...I know a pretty good eye doctor from Pakistan. The same Pakistan that my grandparents created out of their sweat, sacrifice, tears, and blood. You gotta get out more often, ma`am: everybody who`s not a Pakistani is not automatically an Indian.

Of course Rsaxena has made rude comments about Islam. But he has not called Islam a terrorist religion as you claim. If you cannot defend your SPECIFIC allegation without fudging the specifics, you ought to admit so. I don`t need to defend Rsaxena; he does it himself well or ill. He and I disagree on 60 per cent of the issues. Question him on something he has actually said and it might be interesting.

That said, scout, I do not mean to be sharp with a lady here. I have endorsed your calls to decorum about women in this very board because it is beneath us to use some of the filthy language that has been used about our sisters and mothers. Here, it seems, we have a disagreement. C`est la vie, madamoiselle!

On Muhammad Bin Qasim :

Vidya Dhar Mahajan writes in the book

``Muslim Rule in India`` second edition 1965 Chand and company New Dehli Page 21

``The previleges of the zimmi (Hebrews and christians) were given to Hindus and Buddhists of Sindh. The infidel were also taken into civil and military service. A large number of Hindus were employed in the revenue service The new policy was given in these words ``The temples shall be inviolate like the churches of the christians, synods of the Jews and the altars of the Magians.``

Dr Ishwari Prasad says

``The story of Muhammad bin Qasim`s invasion is one of the romances of History. His blooming youth, his dash, and heroism, hi noble deportment throughout the expedition and his tragic fall have invested his career with halo martyrdom.``

Page 18

More Quotes from ``Indian-Hindu`` Authors` books will follow... See you can be Hindu without being a Bania... just like we can be Muslims without being fundamentalists!

Ref krashid #: 846

[India can inflict irreparable damage not only to China and America but is also doing it to its own people.

It is not certain whether India will do irreparable damage to China or America or not.]

As the Chinese are fond of telling the Americans, `how would you like LA to be smoking ruins?` All it needs to get any country to behave is to demonstrate the ability to hit one major population/industrial center. Pakistan can hit all of India with its Ghauri missiles. India can hit all of Pakistan with its Agni sitting in far-away Andhra or Orissa. An ICBM is NOT aimed at Pakistan because its range is too long. An ICBM is aimed at farther reaches in China such as Beijing, Shanghai, Harbin and at Europe and USA. Even Moscow. Who knows how the world will turn out in the next 15 years?

[But it is doing irreparable damage to Indian people even today.]

Enough money is being spent on social issues in India. But it is state controlled. If you see Tamilians, Kannadigas and Telugus in large numbers in the IT industry today, that is because these states spent their money on education. Kerala has attained 100% literacy. On the other hand, West Bengal wasted its time for 25 years fighting the industrialists till they moved their factories out of Calcutta and the Bengalis are reduced to looking for jobs outside Bengal. The Central Government is not going to dictate to the states how to allocate their budgets. The irreparable damage to Indian people is not due to the money spent on ICBMs but money being stolen on a grand scale in Bihar and Uttar Pradesh.

You guys want to match India`s ICBM without having a clue what uses it might be put to. You have a problem. India knows where it wants to go with the ICBM program and you can`t stop it by saying India is starting an arms race. There is no race if Pakistan refuses to participate in the race.

By the way, I don`t see Pakistan in the Space Race nor was there any noise when India launched its GSLV rocket last month. I don`t see an Education Race. I don`t see a Human Rights Race. Pakistan can choose to start or participate in such races.

[And that is the question of YLH.]

You acting as an interpreter for YLH? That is a laugh.

Re:binifer #: 851

``nameless sweets...do tell where u got this interesting little bit of information..its tickled me immensely and my sisters guffawing behind me like it were going out of style..``

Among others:

http://www.vijayinkargil.org/today/16july1.html

Excerpt:

``The Indian Army recovered 249 dead bodies from the areas of operations. 197 dead bodies were given burial as per military norms and as per religious rites, 47 dead bodies that were found in shallow trenches were also provided religious rites and five bodies were accepted by Pakistan. This included the dead body of Captain Karnal Sher of 12 Northern Light Infantry Battalion. The ceremonial burial accorded to the dead body of this NLI officer was also covered by the Pakistan television and seen all over the world.``

Re Siraj 848

``These ICBM`s have a purpose after all``.

Please consider using herbal laxatives before resorting to such desperate measures.

Yes Sir, Pakistanis are scared of ICBM`s and such, scare us more and we will respond in kind. It`s not enough that the Indian state has problems with the Hindu Kingdom of Nepal, Buddhist Sri Lanka, Islamic Bangladesh and Pakistan; it now publicly describes China as enemy number one, against whom ICBM`s must be arraigned. Rationality seems to have given way to nationalist chauvinism. Heady times, but as surely as the sun will rise in the East, all balloons burst. A time for introspection and civility will come.

Where does all this hate so many Indians express come from? and why do they feel it is OK to express hate and then to, at a site such as chowk?

Do Indians express such hate in India?

The few Pakistani and Indians who at least try to be civil even while differing are being made mince meat of by very angry young men on both sides. No one benefits, just an endless stream of fear expressed in ``mine`s bigger``. Some one`s always bigger.

KSHIT!

Forget about my IQ and worry about your reading skills. I posed a question to liberal and secular Pakis, which you obviously are not.

Also, I asked why did Dalai Lama, Karampa and others sought asylum in India, not why India welcomes them. Those are two different things. They could have sought asylum any of the 150 or so countries, but why India? Do you see jews migrating to Germany, even now?

Again YLH and other liberal, secular Pakis:

Why did Dalai Lama, Karampa and others take asylum in a FASCIST country which ``EXTERMINATED`` Buddhists?

Ref Studebaker #: 761

[hOW LONG ARE YOU GOING TO DROOL OVER MY ANTIQUE STUDEBAKER,??ITS NOT FOR SALE TO USED CAR DESI HONDA DRIVING DESI]

``I drive a Jag.``

Benifer, cherrrrie

you and your lil sisters better remain that (lil),

see in the grown up world there are newspapers like Dawn, News etc which you can search and find the relevant news clips. Oh BTW lil, cherrrrrie these are pakistani newspapers and not the harami bania newspapers from bania-land or the zionist-jewish newspapers of the west.

lil cherrie, there are plenty of lil red tamatars flying around one may land on you and make you red and I hope there are no dunderheads who take it into their heads to issue a fatwa in your favour for loosing your lil dignity! but then theres urstruly and others around to do that so beware lil cherrie......

Re: scout

``if i tell some idiots not to call each other`s mothers and dadis prostitutes, why has that irked you so much? do you condone it?``

If I recall *you * were the one who dragged my name into your little fights...in some post to kabuli i think.

``Oh please, that`s quite a stretch for defending Rsaxena. He`s made fun of and passed rude comments aobut Islam time and time again. Are you blind?``

Of course you`ve got selective vision and can`t differentiate between throwing $hit over the fence and throwing back what was thrown over - but quite frankly I couldn`t care less.

``I understand your desire to defend a fellow Indian, but don`t stretch the truth while doing so.``

He`s not a fellow Indian. He`s a Bangladeshi (I think). And a Muslim at that.