What I Want Pakistan’s CEO To Do
Veeresh Malik June 20, 2001
#159 Posted by FarzanaVersey on July 2, 2001 5:55:49 pm
Digression:
Stuka!
Talking of the Delhi Gym, called them up the other day and asked to book a room. I was told there was a new wing too. I wanted to know what the difference was. The reply: ``Ajee purane ko tod kar naya bana diya hai, to phir new wing ban gaya!``
PS: Did not reply to your earlier post because there was a note of finality to it about looking forward etc to my provocative best. Am failing miserably these days:)
Stuka!
Talking of the Delhi Gym, called them up the other day and asked to book a room. I was told there was a new wing too. I wanted to know what the difference was. The reply: ``Ajee purane ko tod kar naya bana diya hai, to phir new wing ban gaya!``
PS: Did not reply to your earlier post because there was a note of finality to it about looking forward etc to my provocative best. Am failing miserably these days:)
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#158 Posted by aicha on July 2, 2001 3:38:39 pm
Anarayan, Stuka
Thankyou but i have a feeling perhaps that was a result of some unfinished biz on some other boards.
AAmir
Before you launch off pls relax - i think everyones nerves are getting too frazzled too easily nowadays (mine included).
aicha
Thankyou but i have a feeling perhaps that was a result of some unfinished biz on some other boards.
AAmir
Before you launch off pls relax - i think everyones nerves are getting too frazzled too easily nowadays (mine included).
aicha
#157 Posted by aicha on July 2, 2001 3:38:39 pm
AAmir (funny way to spell I-dont-know-when-to-letgo-of-thingstahtdontconcernme)
To clarify I was talking in terms of - at what age boys are aware of the entire concept of puppy-love/flirting/crushes etc etc and not in terms of physical/anatomical aspects of which I am sure you are right.
``... but keeps her uninformed & as ignorent as someone like you .``
whaat? where did that come from and why is everyone so nasty nowadays??
aicha
To clarify I was talking in terms of - at what age boys are aware of the entire concept of puppy-love/flirting/crushes etc etc and not in terms of physical/anatomical aspects of which I am sure you are right.
``... but keeps her uninformed & as ignorent as someone like you .``
whaat? where did that come from and why is everyone so nasty nowadays??
aicha
#156 Posted by anarayan on July 2, 2001 2:02:18 pm
AAmir,
You`re correct about the physical part of course. But I think aicha was referring to mental maturity in terms of birds-n-bees kind of knowlwdege while I was refering to maturity in terms of the sobering effect that upcoming responsibility brings.
regards,
You`re correct about the physical part of course. But I think aicha was referring to mental maturity in terms of birds-n-bees kind of knowlwdege while I was refering to maturity in terms of the sobering effect that upcoming responsibility brings.
regards,
#155 Posted by stuka on July 2, 2001 2:02:18 pm
Wow, this discussion has really meandered huh? I got on only to defend the Delhi Gymkhana and now we are discussing M&Bs
Aicha. ANarayan
C`mon guys...we were talking about Commandos, and we end up with Mills and Boon. Anarayan, I can`t believe you admit to reading M & Bs HA HA. Kidding.. My absolute favourite was PG Wodehouse, but if you guys are talking about childhood memories...nothing to beat Enid Blyton. Went to Cornwall, only coz I`d read so much about the area in her books..
AAmir:
Appreciate your knowledge of human physiology, but you don`t have to put someone down as ignorant
just to demonstrate your own knowledge. Bet you went to a co-ed and were picked on by all the girls huh? Did they whack you on the head with their M & Bs ?? ;)
Aicha. ANarayan
C`mon guys...we were talking about Commandos, and we end up with Mills and Boon. Anarayan, I can`t believe you admit to reading M & Bs HA HA. Kidding.. My absolute favourite was PG Wodehouse, but if you guys are talking about childhood memories...nothing to beat Enid Blyton. Went to Cornwall, only coz I`d read so much about the area in her books..
AAmir:
Appreciate your knowledge of human physiology, but you don`t have to put someone down as ignorant
just to demonstrate your own knowledge. Bet you went to a co-ed and were picked on by all the girls huh? Did they whack you on the head with their M & Bs ?? ;)
#154 Posted by veeresh on July 2, 2001 10:26:49 am
Romair #151, re Ershad Mahmud`s report on Srinagar:-
1) At least he was able to get to Srinagar, which is more than what Indian or other media can do about getting to POK.
2) What seems to be the difference between the visuals I see of Karachi on Zee TV/Star and the Srinagar you see on PTV/Ershad`s report? Apart from the fact that Karachi is a port city, isn`t there as much fauji bandobast in karachi as there is in Srinagar?
Come on Romair, let us peel off from this stuff of calling the other`s pot black. I would not normally indulge in such mutual mud slinging but facts are facts. The days of the poor much abused and maligned Kashmiri are over, and to all but the blind, it is the new resurgent Kashmir about to return.
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#152 Posted by Eklavya on July 2, 2001 4:39:27 am
re: Romair # 151
I can well imagine the sadness and trauma of Kashmiris. And that Lal Chowk - what a neat place it used to be! Wonder what it looks like now...with violence and guns and military boots everywhere. There were so many shops I used to frequent...perhaps they are all gone now...
I can well imagine the sadness and trauma of Kashmiris. And that Lal Chowk - what a neat place it used to be! Wonder what it looks like now...with violence and guns and military boots everywhere. There were so many shops I used to frequent...perhaps they are all gone now...
#151 Posted by aicha on July 1, 2001 7:28:47 pm
anarayan
It is a common misconception that boys do not mature at the same pace as girls. True, women as always start&end their life with marraige but can you blame them with all the brainwashing from all quarters. My entire life was spent in different all-girls schools(a most unnatural concept) - except for Class IV. The highlights of that one yr were golees & learning ceetees and beating tehm in rollerskating and also my first such bk courtesy a boy!! Although was tickled pink at seeing the cover and flipping thru pages he had marked already, couldnt relate to it and went back to my unenlightened existence. So boys are pretty much aware of such things at taht stage. It was a lot of fun though. Good as in fun - i dont know if youve been at all girl gatherings but things tend to get a bit sticky so it is always good to have a balance. No romance - is overrated anyways.
Take care!
It is a common misconception that boys do not mature at the same pace as girls. True, women as always start&end their life with marraige but can you blame them with all the brainwashing from all quarters. My entire life was spent in different all-girls schools(a most unnatural concept) - except for Class IV. The highlights of that one yr were golees & learning ceetees and beating tehm in rollerskating and also my first such bk courtesy a boy!! Although was tickled pink at seeing the cover and flipping thru pages he had marked already, couldnt relate to it and went back to my unenlightened existence. So boys are pretty much aware of such things at taht stage. It was a lot of fun though. Good as in fun - i dont know if youve been at all girl gatherings but things tend to get a bit sticky so it is always good to have a balance. No romance - is overrated anyways.
Take care!
#150 Posted by Romair on July 1, 2001 2:52:34 pm
An interesting first hand account describing the situation which will probably be discussed at the upcoming summit:
```Srinagar is under virtual siege`
By Ershad Mahmud
Note: The writer is the first Pakistani media person to be allowed into Srinagar by the Indians in decades. He was in the city from June 5 to 15. --Editor
SRINAGAR: There is no denying the fact that under the Indian forces, Srinagar is under a virtual siege. On landing at Srinagar airport, we had to undergo a rigorous security check. Once inside the city, my first impression was that coming over was a big mistake.
Army, heavily armed Border Security Force (BSF), Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) and J&K Armed police were posted everywhere. Significantly, every fourth vehicle was Indian security force`s out of 10 vehicles that I saw normally plying on Srinagar roads. During daylight, one cannot avoid noticing the security forces` presence after every 10-15 yards. Almost all street and road corners had forcedly been converted into military bunkers. A few hotel-owners refused to let us rooms; this they quietly conveyed to our hosts. Well aware of their constraints and limitations, our hosts did not mind such unceremonious gestures. This is a hard fact that Kashmiri masses` association or acquaintance with Pakistani citizens can hurt them......
Kashmiris are frustrated, living in a frightening atmosphere and face economic hardship. Asked how they see an end to this crisis, they were unanimous for a speedy solution of any sort; what sort even they don`t know it. I could not see
a final demand or bottom line on which Kashmiri people can be settled.
It is greatly felt that general consensus to end people`s misery lies beyond India sovereignty. Even people from the ruling National Conference are toeing the same line ie they were more vocal against India than others. This was amazing keeping in view the suppressive Indian regime and its tactics to brainwash people. As to how the elite class is so bitter towards India, I was told that politicians` occasional mud slinging at India is part of political tactics to survive and remain credible in masses` eyes.....
During numerous parleys with various political leaders and workers, I noticed signs of exhaustion and a plea for an early solution to the imbroglio. Which solution? No body knows its final shape, format, style or the modus operandi. In this background, people -- to a very great extent -- are optimistic about the upcoming Musharraf-Vajpayee summit. Some political leaders who spent their entire life against India, and who had taken arms against India in their young age, have lost hope and will to struggle and now seek a way out. What they now seem settled upon is greater autonomy; some are even content with minor concession like soft borders, free trade relations between AJK and IHK and opening up of Srinagar-Rawalpindi road. A joint Pakistan-India control in valley is what they view supreme for the time being.
It`s a growing impression among Kashmiris that accession to Pakistan is not a feasible option due to international and regional geo-political situation. This realisation ended the debate of options and now Kashmiris feel that they must consolidate their energies and focus on merely the freedom struggle. They also feel that the government of Pakistan on many an occasion sidelined the Kashmiri leadership and tried to settle its score with India.....
Kashmiri populace is politically mature in the sense that generally people take pride in aligning themselves with All Parties Hurriyat Conference (APHC) rather than with any specific political personality. A trader around Lal Chowk, Srinagar, replying to a question said that people stand by APHC because it symbolises resistance movement. On the other hand, in journalistic and intellectual community, a very common perception is that APHC leaders neither represent the whole state nor the entire valley, rather they are leaders of their own constituencies or pockets. Believing this to be their shortcoming, people of Jammu and Ladakh feel deprived for not being consulted or taken into confidence for any policy-making process in the last over 12 years by APHC.
Despite internal divide due to conflicting views, APHC`s clear line of action and sticking onto a principled stand had all along given it a large mandate, respect and high moral ground for any decision that it takes or may take in future.....
Kashmiri people hold deep affection for Pakistan and respect for the people. Everyone wants to visit Pakistan and see his beloved country. This feeling is even shared by the nationalist factions who are for an independent Kashmir. Pakistani lobby is very strong in valley and has presence in nook and corners......
About Mujahideen`s role and struggle, Kashmiri people recognise mainly two organisations, indigenous Hizbul Mujahideen and Lashkar-e-Taiba. Hizb is largest Kashmiri organisation and most of its cadre belongs to Kashmir valley. Its commander-in-chief Syed Salahuddin was long before a political leader and contested election from the valley in 1987. Syed Salahuddin is much respected and trusted personality within Kashmiri elite as well as the common people. Even the pro-independence leaders are confident that Salahuddin will not betray them.
What is most astonishing is Lashkar-e-Taiba image among the common Kashmiris. The recent spat of suicidal attacks in particular gave Lashkar an unmatched repute and fame in the entire valley. Young boys now idealise Laskhar`s brave attacks and commitment to the cause. Keeping pace of developments in view, Lashkar has the potential to turn indigenous in near future. But, many people were critical about Lashkar`s political role; even a few conveyed that Lashkar leadership should stay away from issuing political statements. It is a common perception that militancy has consolidated and now Mujahideen are in a better position to respond to Indian aggression. Infighting has almost ended and pro-India elements have been exposed before Mujahideen. Many renegades have been killed and few are living in the security zone. In this context, it is appropriate to mention that the idea of Indian-crafted-secret army could not get through.
Hurriyat claimed that Indian forces have killed around 80,000 Kashmiris. Chief Minister Farooq Abdullah admitted in his statement that over 50,000 Kashmiris have been killed, while even Indian officials themselves say this figure is not less than 35,000. Anyhow, whatever various parties claim, it is a hard reality that the Kashmiris are facing endless suffering. During last decade neither Pakistan nor international community made any headway to get relief to these families. On the ground, it is impossible for any NGO to work for these families. India does not allow any organisation to look after the poor people. (NEWS, Pakistan)
complete article at http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/index.html
I hope Vajpayee is sincere about finding a solution, and this summit will not just be another attempt to satisfy the international community`s complains regarding India`s unwillingness to talk.
```Srinagar is under virtual siege`
By Ershad Mahmud
Note: The writer is the first Pakistani media person to be allowed into Srinagar by the Indians in decades. He was in the city from June 5 to 15. --Editor
SRINAGAR: There is no denying the fact that under the Indian forces, Srinagar is under a virtual siege. On landing at Srinagar airport, we had to undergo a rigorous security check. Once inside the city, my first impression was that coming over was a big mistake.
Army, heavily armed Border Security Force (BSF), Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) and J&K Armed police were posted everywhere. Significantly, every fourth vehicle was Indian security force`s out of 10 vehicles that I saw normally plying on Srinagar roads. During daylight, one cannot avoid noticing the security forces` presence after every 10-15 yards. Almost all street and road corners had forcedly been converted into military bunkers. A few hotel-owners refused to let us rooms; this they quietly conveyed to our hosts. Well aware of their constraints and limitations, our hosts did not mind such unceremonious gestures. This is a hard fact that Kashmiri masses` association or acquaintance with Pakistani citizens can hurt them......
Kashmiris are frustrated, living in a frightening atmosphere and face economic hardship. Asked how they see an end to this crisis, they were unanimous for a speedy solution of any sort; what sort even they don`t know it. I could not see
a final demand or bottom line on which Kashmiri people can be settled.
It is greatly felt that general consensus to end people`s misery lies beyond India sovereignty. Even people from the ruling National Conference are toeing the same line ie they were more vocal against India than others. This was amazing keeping in view the suppressive Indian regime and its tactics to brainwash people. As to how the elite class is so bitter towards India, I was told that politicians` occasional mud slinging at India is part of political tactics to survive and remain credible in masses` eyes.....
During numerous parleys with various political leaders and workers, I noticed signs of exhaustion and a plea for an early solution to the imbroglio. Which solution? No body knows its final shape, format, style or the modus operandi. In this background, people -- to a very great extent -- are optimistic about the upcoming Musharraf-Vajpayee summit. Some political leaders who spent their entire life against India, and who had taken arms against India in their young age, have lost hope and will to struggle and now seek a way out. What they now seem settled upon is greater autonomy; some are even content with minor concession like soft borders, free trade relations between AJK and IHK and opening up of Srinagar-Rawalpindi road. A joint Pakistan-India control in valley is what they view supreme for the time being.
It`s a growing impression among Kashmiris that accession to Pakistan is not a feasible option due to international and regional geo-political situation. This realisation ended the debate of options and now Kashmiris feel that they must consolidate their energies and focus on merely the freedom struggle. They also feel that the government of Pakistan on many an occasion sidelined the Kashmiri leadership and tried to settle its score with India.....
Kashmiri populace is politically mature in the sense that generally people take pride in aligning themselves with All Parties Hurriyat Conference (APHC) rather than with any specific political personality. A trader around Lal Chowk, Srinagar, replying to a question said that people stand by APHC because it symbolises resistance movement. On the other hand, in journalistic and intellectual community, a very common perception is that APHC leaders neither represent the whole state nor the entire valley, rather they are leaders of their own constituencies or pockets. Believing this to be their shortcoming, people of Jammu and Ladakh feel deprived for not being consulted or taken into confidence for any policy-making process in the last over 12 years by APHC.
Despite internal divide due to conflicting views, APHC`s clear line of action and sticking onto a principled stand had all along given it a large mandate, respect and high moral ground for any decision that it takes or may take in future.....
Kashmiri people hold deep affection for Pakistan and respect for the people. Everyone wants to visit Pakistan and see his beloved country. This feeling is even shared by the nationalist factions who are for an independent Kashmir. Pakistani lobby is very strong in valley and has presence in nook and corners......
About Mujahideen`s role and struggle, Kashmiri people recognise mainly two organisations, indigenous Hizbul Mujahideen and Lashkar-e-Taiba. Hizb is largest Kashmiri organisation and most of its cadre belongs to Kashmir valley. Its commander-in-chief Syed Salahuddin was long before a political leader and contested election from the valley in 1987. Syed Salahuddin is much respected and trusted personality within Kashmiri elite as well as the common people. Even the pro-independence leaders are confident that Salahuddin will not betray them.
What is most astonishing is Lashkar-e-Taiba image among the common Kashmiris. The recent spat of suicidal attacks in particular gave Lashkar an unmatched repute and fame in the entire valley. Young boys now idealise Laskhar`s brave attacks and commitment to the cause. Keeping pace of developments in view, Lashkar has the potential to turn indigenous in near future. But, many people were critical about Lashkar`s political role; even a few conveyed that Lashkar leadership should stay away from issuing political statements. It is a common perception that militancy has consolidated and now Mujahideen are in a better position to respond to Indian aggression. Infighting has almost ended and pro-India elements have been exposed before Mujahideen. Many renegades have been killed and few are living in the security zone. In this context, it is appropriate to mention that the idea of Indian-crafted-secret army could not get through.
Hurriyat claimed that Indian forces have killed around 80,000 Kashmiris. Chief Minister Farooq Abdullah admitted in his statement that over 50,000 Kashmiris have been killed, while even Indian officials themselves say this figure is not less than 35,000. Anyhow, whatever various parties claim, it is a hard reality that the Kashmiris are facing endless suffering. During last decade neither Pakistan nor international community made any headway to get relief to these families. On the ground, it is impossible for any NGO to work for these families. India does not allow any organisation to look after the poor people. (NEWS, Pakistan)
complete article at http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/index.html
I hope Vajpayee is sincere about finding a solution, and this summit will not just be another attempt to satisfy the international community`s complains regarding India`s unwillingness to talk.
#149 Posted by anarayan on July 1, 2001 3:01:14 am
aicha,
Well yes I did read an M&B once.honest! sort of curiosity geting the better of you. Don`t remember much about it - just that the curiosity was definitely sated for good!
Yes, a lot of schools are coed in India. Are you from India ? You did`nt go to one of these I guess. Don`t know whether it was good or not - but it definitely broadens your mind (er - no pun intended). See its not like in college where you suddenly come across an adult stranger who happens to be a girl. Most of the girls in high school, I knew as classmates in middle and primary school.
If you meant `good` like in `romance`, that was out of the question. The high school girls in my class were years ahead of us boys in a kind of maturity of some sort that I`m not able to explain. I guess there must have been the constant thought that in 2-3 years most of them would get married. And many of them did.
regards,
Well yes I did read an M&B once.honest! sort of curiosity geting the better of you. Don`t remember much about it - just that the curiosity was definitely sated for good!
Yes, a lot of schools are coed in India. Are you from India ? You did`nt go to one of these I guess. Don`t know whether it was good or not - but it definitely broadens your mind (er - no pun intended). See its not like in college where you suddenly come across an adult stranger who happens to be a girl. Most of the girls in high school, I knew as classmates in middle and primary school.
If you meant `good` like in `romance`, that was out of the question. The high school girls in my class were years ahead of us boys in a kind of maturity of some sort that I`m not able to explain. I guess there must have been the constant thought that in 2-3 years most of them would get married. And many of them did.
regards,
#148 Posted by aicha on June 30, 2001 1:04:24 pm
anarayan
``M&B ??? yuck! chee-chee! Kaisee behudaa baat karte ho jee?!!! Never use that stuff! ``
ha ha sure if you say so - but the ``chee-chee`` was a dead giveaway : ) I must say I am surprised you atleast understood/acknowledged what M&B stands for. What was there to ``prove``? IT is a given fact. Kindof like an initiation to adulthood for both sexes - if i may say so. HOwever life must have been good in a coed school. Dont remember the Sudden series (??) must have read it but to tell you the truth if youve read one youve read them all - gets pretty puerile after a point but loved them all the same. Holds for the rest except for Wodehouse probably.
aicha
``M&B ??? yuck! chee-chee! Kaisee behudaa baat karte ho jee?!!! Never use that stuff! ``
ha ha sure if you say so - but the ``chee-chee`` was a dead giveaway : ) I must say I am surprised you atleast understood/acknowledged what M&B stands for. What was there to ``prove``? IT is a given fact. Kindof like an initiation to adulthood for both sexes - if i may say so. HOwever life must have been good in a coed school. Dont remember the Sudden series (??) must have read it but to tell you the truth if youve read one youve read them all - gets pretty puerile after a point but loved them all the same. Holds for the rest except for Wodehouse probably.
aicha
#147 Posted by Bapu on June 29, 2001 10:31:54 pm
June 28, 2001
Lata to sing in Pakistan?
Faisal Shariff in Bombay
``Lata Mangeshkar will perform in Pakistan this year,`` says Zahid Bashir, Pakistan Cricket Board`s (PCB) marketing director.
In a telephonic conversation from the Gaddafi cricket stadium in Lahore, Bashir told rediff.com that talks with Lata`s nephew, Yogesh, were progressing on a positive note.
Lata Mangeshkar is vacationing in Europe now and is expected to return in the first week of July.
``We had earlier invited Lataji to Pakistan for a tribute we had planned for Madam Noorjehan. Lataji accepted the invitation but declined to perform.
``This time, I am confident that she will perform. And the cities that she will grace are Karachi, Lahore and Rawalpindi,`` adds Bashir.
``The modalities need to be worked out and the contract needs to be put in place. We will offer Lataji her price. The revenue that we generate from the concert will be used for development of Pakistan cricket.``
``Lataji`s acceptance of our invitation will be a great gesture following our president, Pervez Musharraf`s visit to India. I think this will easily be the top cultural event of the sub-continent. Lataji is revered here as much as she is in India. And I will see to it that she is accorded the head of state guest reception,`` assures Bashir, who is also the chairman of the Pakistan Hockey Federation.
``A $ 4 million television rights offer is being considered for the live coverage of Lataji`s concerts which will be titled, Madam Noorjehan Tribute. The highest ticket would be at Rs 10,000 and the lowest, Rs 6,000. I am confident that it will be a sellout.``
Lucky Ali, the son of yesteryear`s illustrious comedian Mehmood, who performed a couple of months ago in Lahore along with Stereo Nation, is also expected to perform at the Karachi hockey stadium on July 7.
Tell us what you think
Lata to sing in Pakistan?
Faisal Shariff in Bombay
``Lata Mangeshkar will perform in Pakistan this year,`` says Zahid Bashir, Pakistan Cricket Board`s (PCB) marketing director.
In a telephonic conversation from the Gaddafi cricket stadium in Lahore, Bashir told rediff.com that talks with Lata`s nephew, Yogesh, were progressing on a positive note.
Lata Mangeshkar is vacationing in Europe now and is expected to return in the first week of July.
``We had earlier invited Lataji to Pakistan for a tribute we had planned for Madam Noorjehan. Lataji accepted the invitation but declined to perform.
``This time, I am confident that she will perform. And the cities that she will grace are Karachi, Lahore and Rawalpindi,`` adds Bashir.
``The modalities need to be worked out and the contract needs to be put in place. We will offer Lataji her price. The revenue that we generate from the concert will be used for development of Pakistan cricket.``
``Lataji`s acceptance of our invitation will be a great gesture following our president, Pervez Musharraf`s visit to India. I think this will easily be the top cultural event of the sub-continent. Lataji is revered here as much as she is in India. And I will see to it that she is accorded the head of state guest reception,`` assures Bashir, who is also the chairman of the Pakistan Hockey Federation.
``A $ 4 million television rights offer is being considered for the live coverage of Lataji`s concerts which will be titled, Madam Noorjehan Tribute. The highest ticket would be at Rs 10,000 and the lowest, Rs 6,000. I am confident that it will be a sellout.``
Lucky Ali, the son of yesteryear`s illustrious comedian Mehmood, who performed a couple of months ago in Lahore along with Stereo Nation, is also expected to perform at the Karachi hockey stadium on July 7.
Tell us what you think
#146 Posted by anarayan on June 29, 2001 10:31:54 pm
aicha,
M&B ??? yuck! chee-chee! Kaisee behudaa baat karte ho jee?!!! Never use that stuff!
Once a friend got caught with an M&B in his back pocket - and he was given hell! No amount of pleading was accepted - ``pleeease - I`m just delivering for the sis``. I remember there was a debate in high-school where the girls in our class tried to prove that boys read that stuff on the sly!
Read Louis L`amour in College. Did you ever read the `Sudden` series. Boy, that has got to be the corniest ever - and we just loved them!
``Nice memories!!`` Ahh! so trueee!!
regards,
M&B ??? yuck! chee-chee! Kaisee behudaa baat karte ho jee?!!! Never use that stuff!
Once a friend got caught with an M&B in his back pocket - and he was given hell! No amount of pleading was accepted - ``pleeease - I`m just delivering for the sis``. I remember there was a debate in high-school where the girls in our class tried to prove that boys read that stuff on the sly!
Read Louis L`amour in College. Did you ever read the `Sudden` series. Boy, that has got to be the corniest ever - and we just loved them!
``Nice memories!!`` Ahh! so trueee!!
regards,
#145 Posted by aicha on June 29, 2001 7:27:14 pm
Stuka, anarayan
Did you also perchance grow up on Louis L`amour, the Man with no name series besides uboats/stukas/panzers .... Maybe M&B`s also perhaps : ) ??
Nice memories!!
Did you also perchance grow up on Louis L`amour, the Man with no name series besides uboats/stukas/panzers .... Maybe M&B`s also perhaps : ) ??
Nice memories!!
#144 Posted by Eklavya on June 29, 2001 7:27:14 pm
re: Romair # 142
Oftentimes I have noted that Pakistani commentators portray Pakistanis as emotional simpletons and Indians as cunning schemers (or, as this article claims: masters of negotiations involving delaying tactics, chicanery, duplicity). There are also many cultural allusions to ArthaShastra, with not-too-subtle hints that Indians are all little Kautilyas.
Don`t you think this is a rather naive view. First, it implies that Pakistanis are inherently unintelligent. That is clearly false. Second, it implies that Indians have no emotions. That is false as well. It seems to me that both of us are intelligent-emotional people who keep fighting because of our past emotional hangups, and misuse our intelligence to devise with new ways of harassing each other.
What do you say? And, dont you think that a clear-eyed recognition of both our strengths and weaknesses is more likely to help us ``bury the hatchet, as the author desires?``
PS: Feel free to point out how our `august` commentators portray Pakistanis. I think I would agree with you, and therein, may lie real solutions to our common problems.
Cheers.
Oftentimes I have noted that Pakistani commentators portray Pakistanis as emotional simpletons and Indians as cunning schemers (or, as this article claims: masters of negotiations involving delaying tactics, chicanery, duplicity). There are also many cultural allusions to ArthaShastra, with not-too-subtle hints that Indians are all little Kautilyas.
Don`t you think this is a rather naive view. First, it implies that Pakistanis are inherently unintelligent. That is clearly false. Second, it implies that Indians have no emotions. That is false as well. It seems to me that both of us are intelligent-emotional people who keep fighting because of our past emotional hangups, and misuse our intelligence to devise with new ways of harassing each other.
What do you say? And, dont you think that a clear-eyed recognition of both our strengths and weaknesses is more likely to help us ``bury the hatchet, as the author desires?``
PS: Feel free to point out how our `august` commentators portray Pakistanis. I think I would agree with you, and therein, may lie real solutions to our common problems.
Cheers.
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