What I Want Pakistan’s CEO To Do

Veeresh,
One can agree with most of the sentiments
presented in this writing except the thought
that your food could possibly be better than
ours, kebabs and all (now that is one issue that
we REALLY need could go to war over).
But if not India then who? Many posters here
want to go to war against Mushahid Hussain, who
in spite of his past company, continues to write a great deal of sense. Maybe I can attribute that to his spending time in former East Pakistan and having had the opportunity to go to school there.
Anyway Veeresh, the CEO is possibly a President by now. We hope that in his ``new`` capcity, he can
put an end to this senseless price that your cousins and mine have been paying for the past
50 years.

Ras

Hi veeresh,

Glad to see you back. Missed your inputs. and one correction please, he is no more the CEO, but the president of Pakistan.

Please accept my condolences for the tragic incident in your family.

Regards,

jntuece99

Veeresh

This article reinds me of some of the interacts on chowk - the writing estyle I mean.

However, Veeresh you have not commented on the sight for the summit - Agra ! ANd no meeting the president of India (however, this is now moot since perv has declared himself president of Pakistan - comnv that Tarar resigned).

But then I guess, the grandiuer of the moghuls in the background should be working on Perv and ....

Veeresh!

Good one…lekin aisi baatein kiya na karo… Khair, since you already have, let me respond:

1.What’s the bet that in a blinkered horse race where the jockey is forced to use a fibre-glass, air-cushioned whip (courtesy Maneka Gandhi’s diktat), the scene will be more like choohe chale Haj par.

2.Para gliding by CEO? Nah. There is an old fakir at Fatehpur Sikri who jumps into a mossy well for 100 bucks.

3.Why must they drive on good roads? Only bumpy rides will drive home the metaphorical connotations.

4.Arre, let him get into a Merc for photo-ops (can you lend that engine-less one?)…we have to show our progressive little chehra, no? Or he must be given the Rath Yatra Toyota chariot holding a brick that says Humpty-Dumpty.

5.RIP. And my condolences. All lives are precious.

6.Oye, over 60 and below 21 for easy visas? Bully to you. Hamara kya hoga?

7.Delhi Gymkhana. He should visit the ‘sleeping room’ there. I believe for ten rupees they let you shut your eyes and even loan you a smelly blanket. Very colonial imagery of “Na eedar ka, na oodar ka, blimey!”

8.OUR freedom struggle is still on, as long as one has to think twice before speaking and ten times after that.

9.Pakistan, a dushman? Damn. Then you have been sleeping with the enemy, that too in a bhare-bazaar Chowk. Besharam :)

Fact: Why make only the Pak CEO agree that it was a joint freedom struggle? Why not Vajpayeeji as well?

Aur rahee breaking the ande ki baat, we are talking egg-shells here.

Salaams and whatever they say in Sanskrit and Swahili and Secularism,

well written with a little bit of subtle humour.

i`m sorry about ur cousin. i had a friend in pune, a retired indian army captain, whose buddy`s were killed in kargil. everytime he spoke of them, his eyes filled with tears.

devkant.

A darn good article, there`s a strange irony in this one that probably I would not be able to explain in words .

Lets hope some balance prevails on both sides, more so on the Paki side, since I am convinced reading chowk for quite some time that most Pakistanis do view India as enemy # 1 which is not the case with most Indians.

I believe that the problems arising in our countries is more economic and less of this Kashmir stuff.

What we need to do is that somehow get the complete South Asia meshed up economically, where a nation thinks twice before doing trouble in some other nation cause the economics of it would just become unviable .

A company like infosys or wipro having a dev center in Karachi is much more promising for peace than having soldiers guarding this city .

Long and short of what I am trying to say is that if the two leaders can somehow achieve some kinda economic agenda then one can truly say that India, Pakistan and the rest of south asia are truly on the road to achieve greatness and combat their biggest enemy POVERTY .

-VIVEK-

He`s the president now thank u very much! :)

1. A pak cup at the Race course - OK, why not a Jinnah Cup?

2. Para jump? Musharraf is not an enthusiast, he is a soldier. He does this because it is part of the calling of his profession.

3.Why are teetar-batair illegal?

4. Drive around in the Ambasador - Indian Hospitality?

5. Also bring with him mothers of Kashmiri killed in custody of Indian forces - More Indian hospitality

6. Provide unlimited visas for Indians - NO!

Let Indians first see and experience the delight that is their country. Indians belong in India.

7. No, thanks. Why would he or anybody else want to pertuate ``colonialism``? remember, Musharraf and his family, like other Muslims who had the fortitude and chance to, made their choice in 47.

8. An offer 54 years late. ``Our`` freedom effort was called the ``Pakistan`` movement. You preach in your history that Muslims were collaborator with the British, that one day you will overcome the basis of the Pakistani nationhood and now it is our freedom? Past is past, just stick to being Indians. If the hostility that Indians preach towards Pakistan can be diminished, publicly and institutionally rejected, then perhaps a base of support for such ``new`` ideas can be supported.

9. People with the same background? What same background? What planet is this? Majority of Pakistanis and Indians have no mutual history other than mistrust and suspicion. Any effort that seeks to assert upon the Pakistani that India is anything but a adversary or enemy, is an effort at obfsucation.

Closer realtions between Pakistan and India are in the common interest of both peoples. But such relations can only begin by acknowledging that the past is just that. It does not exist; it used to exist. Today is different, we are different, you are different. The respect for this difference, this respectable, proper distance, is an acknowledgement of reality and a good place to start.



Why did your cousin have die? The same reason thousand of Pakistanis and 70,000 Kashmiri have died. If your cousin died performing his duty, it cannot but be a honorable death for a soldier, in his freely chosen profession.

Re para jump and the drive, too.

Isn`t July 14th 2 weeks INTO the monsoons up there? Maybe the (typically devious Indian) author already had it in mind.

Anyway, reminds me of a welcome speech for a US official visiting from a parent co, where the Indian host described how he kept his guest talking so that the guest wouldnot look out of the car window and ask which side of the road did Indians drive :)?

Maybe Musharraf also needs to be shielded from catching the freeroaming `saands` who chew cud on grassy road dividers of an evening, or he may be reminded of his earlier statements about how Indians and Pakistanis are totally different on this point too( in addition to their freedom struggles)...

I don`t mind if President Musharraf goes to Agra or Pondicherry. I don`t care if they discuss Naushad or Pink Floyd.

I DO however care about people running the Delhi Gymkhana down. Hey Farzana, I`ve read your articles before, and yes those articles piss me off, but I`ve never been aggravated enough to make the effort of interacting. But C`mon the DGC?? What do you, along with Ex Prime Minister VP Singh(who once showed up in Pajamas) and the painter MF Hussain (who insists on on going bare foot) have against the Delhi Gym. Its too ``Colonial`` for you. Why pray?? Coz they happen to have a dress code. Coz they limit the numbers?? Is it the Delhi Gymkhana`s fault that we belong to an overpopulated country?? By the way, I have used the sleeping room and the blanket was NOT smelly.

I do apologise for the digression from Kashmir and so on and so forth, but hey the Delhi Gym is worth the effort.

Cheers

Ras Siddiqui and everybody else, sorry about the nomenclature bit on CEO versus President, as we say, Natha Singh, Prem Singh, one and the Sam Ting.

jntuece99 #2: Thanks. I also lost a brother a long time ago, but anyways.

nameless #3: I am informed that the ceremonial reception on arrival Delhi would include checking out the grandeur of the Viceroy`s Palace on Raisina Hill currently occupied. Incidentally, even I as an Indian cannot drive up to the ViceRegal Board & Lodge unless I have a car with a sticker.

Farzana #4: You`ve been had by that bloke who jumps into the moat at Fatehpur Sikri and surfaces out the other end from under the wall through the secret tunnel stuff which is actually nothing but masonry that crumbled . . . his rate is like 20 rupees for desis and 100 for gora log. The roads were, like, an algorithm. The Merc has an engine, though the bodyline got slightly ropey/rusty/scrappy, you infidel non-believer and shall run again as soon as I get time to fix it, there are some people on this board who have been in the car when it worked, OK? I know where we will all get certificates to prove that we are below 21 or above 60 once I`ve got this deal going. I do think most of us in India, and not just Russi Karanjia or MJ Akbar, can and could say what we pleased. As far as the joint freedom struggle bit is concerned, I was never taught that it was in anyway otherwise.

devkant #5: Do you think anybody gets the allusion to American Chop Suey or am I the only one seeing gunboats floating down the Sir Creek?

popcorn #6: Thanks. Come to chowk often.

Cyra #7: Does he get a raise, or a bigger house? Just curious . . .

hobbyty #8: Get a life, please. I do think you`ve missed most of the essence of the article, but as long as you are willing to talk and discuss, I am achieving my purpose, so thanks dude. For the rest, I don`t think anybody at any race course in India would object to a Jinnah Cup, I assure you that Indians and Indian history books acknowledge his role in our freedom struggle though at the same time like most thinking Pakistanis they don`t understand why Pakistan today is not exactly in line with what he wanted. But then India today is not exactly what Gandhi wanted, either, so . . . if somebody donated that cup or prize, I do think there are some races with links to people and places in Pakistan and one more would not be objected to. The para jump has allusions to some regimental connections that Parvez Musharraf would have as a soldier to Agra. Teetar-batair are illegal except if reared specifically, which apparently is not the same thing as seeking the increasingly rarer wild one. The Prime Minister of India Atal Behari Vajpayee, the Managing Director of Infosys Nandan Nilekani and the boss of Wipro Aziz Premji all own Ambassadors as their personal cars simply because they are reliable and comfortable. Sure, get the Kashmiri mothers along too. Unlimited visas for Indians below 21 and over 60 in exchange for the hordes of illegal Pakistanis and Bangladeshis now entering India anyways, why not, we would like to see that great Muslim Arab heritage near Taxila and maybe even that Saracenic or Turkish influenced Pakistani exclusive civilisation known as Indus Valley, right? Musharraf`s brother stayed on in Delhi and wan`t too unhappy running his leftist bookshop, I`m told. We openly ``preach`` in our history that at any one time everybody complied with and collaborated with the Brits which is why we were reduced to the sorry lot we were then. Mutual history, no, all of us came by separate spacecrafts from different planets, but now that we landed on soil connected by rivers and mountains and seas, may we request you to please not think that we Martians/Indians are your enemies just because we probably got horns on our heads and are all relics from Bollywood films, please?

#4 , What is the need to reply in swahili or some other language? I understand that some Indians and Pakistanis have made eastern Africa home , but Wwahili is about as unitelligible to Indians as Pak intransigence.

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Ref Farzana Versey #: 4

[Para gliding by CEO? Nah. There is an old fakir at Fatehpur Sikri who jumps into a mossy well for 100 bucks.]

In the book `Lives of a Bengal Lancer`, it is recounted that the author (a British officer of the Bengal regiment) met a Muslim near Delhi in the 1920s who for one rupee jumped into a well. Maybe it is the same person who is now doing it for 100 rupees.

That Muslim also bemoaned the fact that the old ways were changing fast and the kaffir Hindus were going to English schools and taking jobs away from Muslims. It will be tragic if today`s well-jumper is a descendant of the earlier one. It would mean that these guys haven`t learnt a thing in 75 years.

Tom Friedman, the NY Times columnist has a thesis, which he calls the McDonald’s theory. According to this theory no two countries that have McDonald’s chains have ever gone to war against each other. I think Pakistan now has a McDonald’s in Karachi, If India already has one then the CEO should go there and enjoy a happy meal otherwise, he should urge Mr. Vajpaee to invest in the first Indian McDonald. In fact they should jointly invest in opening Macs all over India and Pakistan.

They should try talking to each other in colloquial Urdu/Hindi rather than English. During ZAB visit to Simla, Indra Ghandi enamored Pakistani journalist by speaking flawless Urdu.

They should memorize each other’s national anthems and impress the other side by singing along during the official receptions.

Instead of blaming the other side they should blame themselves for causing so much death and destruction without achieving anything.

Mr. Vajpaee should take the CEO to the jhugee colonies of Delhi and Agra and spend some time with the poor and disposed. They should explain to them why they spend so much money on arms and so less on reducing poverty and illiteracy.

Ref hobbyty

``People with the same background? What same background? What planet is this? Majority of Pakistanis and Indians have no mutual history other than mistrust and suspicion.``

Arre melya tu he khara bollas, tujya sarkhya halkat mansan barobar majha kahihi sambandh nahin