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White Charade

Urstruly June 22, 2001

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#135 Posted by Urstruly on June 29, 2001 1:48:42 pm
Zahra 135 & 136

No kidding:)

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#134 Posted by Zahra on June 29, 2001 1:43:08 pm
C.o.rrrrrrr.e.c.t.i.o.n:

The following ``pearl of wisdom`` should read:

``Also, every ``nonsense/buk buk`` on Chowk is not worth paying attention to.``


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#133 Posted by Zahra on June 29, 2001 12:28:26 pm
URS[The writer]:

I have a strong feeling that New Entrant is one of your admirers. So, just keep that in mind as well!

Bye

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#132 Posted by Zahra on June 29, 2001 12:21:04 pm
URS:

If I were you, I will completely ignore NewEntrant. There is something fishy here! Do not get caught up in responding as it seems like a fine web. He/She wants to take out the inbuilt venom. Let it flow till the person gains back their sanity. Also, every ``nonsense/buk buk`` on Chowk is not worth paying attention.

So, what were you saying about Ishfaq Ahmed and Bano Qudsia and Mustansar Tarar and Naseem Hijazi and A.R.Khatoon and many others ? :)

Take Care.





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#131 Posted by Urstruly on June 29, 2001 12:20:58 pm
SAC # 130

FSN?

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#130 Posted by Zahra on June 29, 2001 12:13:14 pm
KRashid/Dost Mittar/URS:

My mistake! I should have clarified the series that I disliked. I detested Imran Series[I think it was written by him. Correct me, if I am wrong]. I was referring to Imran Series and not Ibna`ae`Safi`s work in general. I know how crazy people around me were after his books. I`d only cared to flip through one novel and after that I never ever cared to flip through another[of course, I meant Imran Series].

Hope that clarifies and joro-fies all the hearts that were shaken and broken after my ``cutting but heartfelt comments`` on Ibn`ae`Safi.

Take Care

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#129 Posted by latif chappu on June 29, 2001 11:59:50 am
Dear Mr. New Entrant,

Could you please tone down on the language? If nothing, have some consideration for your keyboard and monitor, which must be super slimy now with all the foam and spittle flying from your trap.

You and Urstruly are both from of the same category. You respond to venom from individuals with retorts that vilify their whole tribe. The only thing that renders your action `right` in your eyes is a mistaken belief that your tribe is superior. WRONG!!

Maybe in lieu of stinking this joint up with your oral excretions you ought to invite Urstruly to a one on one wrestling match at a sufficiently private location. Once you are rolling around in each other`s sweat maybe you`ll get to know each other better.

Make love, not war.

Your Hippie from Haight Ashbury

Latif Chappu.



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#128 Posted by sac on June 29, 2001 11:59:50 am
re scout #113:

``Oh come on, he`s bad but he`s not that bad.``

The psychotic mind has a labyrinth of its own and writing styles are like signatures.....(And yes I see dead people too ;) It would be an interesting exercise if the Chowk staff can help us here. Or maybe NewEntrant can help us out by explaining what happened that allowed him to pop up suddenly and start bashing urstruly? Actually urstruly writing as a ``scum of the Earth Hindu`` gives a wonderful window into the mind of a avowed Hindu hater...wouldn`t it be ironic?

What do you have to say NewEntrant?

later

-sac



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#127 Posted by shankar on June 29, 2001 11:59:50 am
URstruly,

Nice article. This kind of sick, perverted psychopathology is found in every single society & country. Psychiatrists have stuggled to explain why this happens. Alas, after reading several case histories in forensic psychiatry, I`m still hard pressed to explain why some human beings (overwhelming majority of them are males) engage in such shocking deviant behavior.

I know you have altered the names. You write this article in first person. I`m curious. Are you giving this account from your personal experience? or what was the inspiration? This may sound naieve; but I thought you were an engineer by profession. Also, why the heck is the CIA involved in this case? Were Bin Laaden`s followers in the list of suspects?:)

I came to this article just recently. Maybe the answers to my questions were in the numerous replies to this article. But, when I was scrolling through the replies, I got kinda turned off by the usual hindu/muslim bashing it degenerated into. Perhaps you would do me the favor of directly replying to my questions, without asking me to go through these 100+ posts:)

On a serous note, you seem to have a very humanistic side to you. You vigorously denounce the darker side of humanity`s inhumanity--regardless of which country/religion it comes from. Thats commendable.

I hate to admit this, but I tend to agree with you. On Chowk, at least, Indians seem to be more reluctant to be self critical than Pakistanis. At least, thats my perception. In general, our posts are more reactionary, defensive & preachy. Of course, there are plenty of exceptions to that generalisation.

To all,

Why do we tend to get so offended when someone insults us, our religion or country? (that includes me) Dont we all agree that ONLY a power wiser than us has the necessary qualifications to stand in judgement of us? So why do we get so hurt when somebody judges or insults us? Any fool can insult or judge.

Usually, I find such insults & holier than thou judgements very amusing & ample fodder for my sick jokes. Though, I must admit, that when I realised we hindus worship the penis god, I have a new found admiration of my religion & became a ``born-again hindu``:) I have to thank my friend URstruly for pointing out the greatness of that virtue.

Lastly, URstruly, there`s this tiny issue of my recent unemployment...perhaps you could find it in your humane side to help me out...



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#126 Posted by Eklavya on June 29, 2001 11:59:50 am
re: NewEntrant # 123

Bravo! Now, dear friend, we can really have a proper dialogue going. How wonderfully unfailing a social lubricant vile language is!

NewEntrant, courage and righteousness does not lie in bluster, bravado, and bluff. Neither doet it lie in ad hominem attacks of people, their lifestyles, or clothes, no matter how much you may disagree with them. I have done all that when I was younger, and I certainly wasn`t any braver then. Only more foolish.

Control your emotions and mind your language if you dont want to be written off as just another crank who is a disgrace to his own religion. We do have quite a few such blessed souls already.



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#123 Posted by Urstruly on June 29, 2001 11:08:46 am
Reply # 121

Dear Shirin,

Thanks for your appreciation. I think that the forensic detail that is already given is a bit of overkill in the perspective of short story; especially a story which is written for internet audience. But it was necessary to connect the reader to the horror and helplessness that both girls might have gone through. Another objective was to make `Inspector Sami` a real thing.

As far as scratching for resistance is concerned, usually it is found on the assailant, keeping in mind your contention that Inspector should have checked under the fingernails-it is elementary Dr. Watson:)

On a serious note I think those poor girls in the presence of weapons and finding themselves in a graveyard-would not even have resisted as much as a lamb. They would have died with the silence of the lambs. God save us all.

I think the white charades will be around us for a while unless we organize ourselves.

Thank you for taking time to read it.

Regards




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#122 Posted by Urstruly on June 29, 2001 9:33:12 am
ZAHRA # 115

It`s my bad that I lumped both together. I`ve read them both while I was in school and memories are beginning to fade. Personally I liked Ishtiaq Ahmad better than Ibn-e-Safi, but IS is the one who started it all. And I always felt IS`s influence on Ishtiaq. I lost interest in both of them when I started reading Dick Tracy`s comic books-then came Alistair Maclaine, S.E. Hinton, and then the Bano Qudsia...and there was no turning back.

On a side note, I have heard that `outside` the summer season is in full swing. Is it true? They dont let us out much, you know:)

KARSHID # 120

No offence intended towards Ibn-e-Safi (or you) in the note addressed to Zahra. It is just a matter of taste. I do admire his (IS`s) sense of humor though, which is reflected through his characters. I also agree that it is like comparing apples and oranges making a comparison b/w Ahmad Yar Khan and IS.

Rashid if you could remember the name of the other author who writes just like Ahmad Yar Khan I would be greatly indebted. Any other Readers who remembers please help; I am chewing on my brain here, cant eat, cant sleep, until I remeber his name. Rumor has it that Ahmad Yar Khan and that other writer are one and the same-and someone in the publishing business once told me his real name starting with Raja. I cant remeber the full name again. Chewing my brain again.



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#121 Posted by NewEntrant on June 29, 2001 3:47:57 am
Urstruly, U Nazi scum,

So now you have started realizing the merits of Non violence. Ahh.. this is indeed a significant turn around for a fascist Islamic bigot. Or Is this just a charade? Knowing you, it is the latter.

Even what I think is not true, my purpose is slowly being achieved. you practise this peace posturing for a while and it may slowly seep into you. You will start realising the vices of your JIHADI propogating $hit religion , ISLAM and become a good Christian/Hindu/Buddhist..

When u become a true Hindu, then you realize the atrocities commited on that $hit religion, ISLAM and by ur moron mohammed. Good going A$$hole, good going.

Irfan, just keep off as your jihadi brother had ordered. understand? You will regretit later, you scum of this earth..

FARZANA : the biggest bane to india is people like you, Psuedo liberals.. YOu dont have balls to say anything to your Mullahs but consider yourself an expert on Kashmiri pandits.. Urstrly and his borthers are better. We know where they stand. You are the ultimate hypocrite..





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#120 Posted by Eklavya on June 29, 2001 3:47:57 am
siraj,

I dont think when urstruly begins spewing his hatred of Hindus, he is being Islamic. I daresay he will himself agree. It is just the same as when any Hindu begins mouthing off his hatred of Islam. Neither of us remain the best specimens of our religions when we are filled with hate. All that we represent is long years of conflict and lack of understanding and intimate relationship between two otherwise great communities.

So, if you wish to call him a nazi for some of his views, go right ahead. He and his supporters will soon call you a nazi back. All this name-calling wont look very nice, but we will try to ignore it by blaming it all on the uncouth child that lurks within us.

But when you call him a Islamic Nazi, you rope in into your warfare many many good people who share little of Urstruly`s religion, other than the label. Naturally, many of these people will feel offended, and some will justifiably respond. And from there we all go downhill in a hurry like a herd of unfortunate sheep.

Is that what we really want to do here?

Zahra:

I have not forgotten my promise to you. I can easily refer you to some websites, but I would like to give you my personal take on who Eklavya was and what he means to me. But I can`t do that these days because I am too distracted and too worried to take up anything that is deeply personal. InshaAllah, things will be alright...and better days will come.



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#119 Posted by ShirinAhmed on June 29, 2001 2:46:25 am
Dear Urstruly,

This piece has been well documented , with great details to Forensic Medicine.However my friend you overlooked looking under the finger nails of the poor victims .Lot of detail to investigation , could be sought there !just a help !

You could also have included a few scratch marks on the bodies of the deceased [indicating resistance ]!

Those white charades ! Allah Khair Karey .[Aameen ]



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#118 Posted by krashid on June 29, 2001 2:46:25 am
Urstruly #107

Ahmed yaar Khan has his own class (I forgot the name of other who also used to write similar stories) I think he used to write for ``Subrang digest. More down to earth.

Ibn-e-Safi has his own class. Not only characterization, but also to me a sort of futurist.

Particulalrly his later stories giving a glimpse of future. Like a higher breed of Thresia and his clan with their philosophy of super intelligent breed trying to take hold of earth reminds of philosophy of scientology.

Anyway comparing two writers will always be a comparision of apple and oranges. Who likes apples and who likes oranges is a matter of taste.

But these days this epidemic is so rampant that the writer of:

Bus Ek Musahib Darbar Ka Bulawa Thaa``

Gudagaran-e-Sukhan Ke Hujoom Samne The``

is now in the same boat with other Gudagar in old age.

Now there is no talent. It is only price. We are in a capitalist world with capitalist mode of production afterall.



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