Tilak and Gokhale

tahmed321 ali jinnah,

The national hero, father of the nation M.K. gandhi created a lot of clones in india, they wore khadar, were vegetarians, led a simple life. This generation is almost died down now, the young are not much interested in the gandhian life. In pakistan, slow as they are, this copying the hero appear to have just started. They are on the chowk, the jinnah clones.

They do not want anything truth full to be mentioned, like honour killing. What good will it do, we all know it, it can only hurt the feelings of the western educated.

The britsh, they are colonialbast//ds, they are exploiting the indians, we can rule ourselves, but what good will it do to shout and agitate in the streets, it will only up set the british and make the agitators tired. Why not just stay at home and sip some sherry.

Let us also post some nicities on the chowk, sip some sherry. world according to tahmed321 ali jinnah.

regards and best wishes to find some low alcohol sherry.

jay.

sarwari #421 ``I would prefer even a Pakistani Hindu to an Indian Muslim any time``

This is not a response to you - I am just thinking to myself below in this post: tahmed321 thinks:

Hmmmmmm...Should I educate this person that being a Pakistani or and Indian, a Muslim or a Hindu, has nothing to do with whether a person is a good person or a bad person, a person commanding respect or a person deserving ridicule...but no, that was the job of her parents and kindergarten teachers. I guess they didnt do their job too well, did they...but should I now do their job???but I just sent a post educating Bharatiya Musalman that by calling someone the descendent of a forced convert from a ``low caste`` and thinking that is an insult means that he needs to understand that being a low caste or high caste has nothing to do with whether a person is a good person...and I wont even get into what kind of a musalman he is...and then there is Jay who refuses to be educated...Maybe I should start charging the parents of these people money for the time I spend trying to do their job for them...maybe I better forget it...

Oh No!!! I guess I wrote this all down....oh no, I think I am going to send my thoughts out on chowk...this will hurt the feelings of Ms. Sarwari, or Mr. Musulman, of Sir Jay...Oh no!! I cant help it....(Hand moves cursor to send button, gets ready to perform left click...

Sarwari,

It is sad when people like Bhartiya Musalman no doubt motivated by personal indignation make it a public thing.

Aisha how long are your rejected Indian Muslim suitors going to take it out on Pakistan?

Long Live Pakistan!

Punk`H`uj:

I ``will`` seriously take your suggestion under consideration.

Take Care

Z`a`hr`a`

PS: Hope I was not responding on behalf of someone else.

Zehra#417

Hey that looked promising at the start. Thoda kahani aage baDaiye. Introduce some more chracters into the story. Then it will be more funny.

Bhartia Musalman,

I would prefer even a Pakistani Hindu to an Indian Muslim any time, so keep your suggestions to yourself.

Pakistan Zindabad

Aisha Fayyazi Sarwari

It does not sadden me that a bhartiya musalman can be so delusional. It is not that he accuses us of being `arabicized` for any sane person who makes a trip to Pakistan will clearly make it very clear that Pakistan is far from an Arabicized state. It is not that he tells me that Pakistan is a failed state just because Pakistan isnt making ICBMs instead of feeding its poor (besides any sane person knows that Pakistan doesnot have the kind of abject poverty that Calcutta for example has), it is not that he tells us that Pakistan is state without History because even if we didnot (though we have a rich history) I am a Pakistani and millions of other citizens of Pakistan are Pakistani because they were born as such and will remain as such.

It is his (il)logic, his insanity, his ignorance coupled with arrogance, his confusion, and his out and out bigotry that bothers me. For the sake of the few Indian friends I have who are truly decent people, I hope and pray India has more to offer than these fools. For 50 years this Indian still considers himself a `member of the brotherhood of Islam` and accuses Jinnah `of being responsible of making Indian Muslims impoverished.`

1) For your information all leaders of Pakistan from Jinnah to Musharaff have repeatedly said that Indian Muslims are Indians and Indians only.

2)Pakistan`s distinct culture has never been Arab and that is an undeniable fact.

3)Fundamentalists, and Khilafatists were opposed to the creation of Pakistan. Pakistan was created by moderate Muslims who were previously in the Congress Party.

4) Fundamentalist Parties like Ahrar, Jamaat e Islami, Jamiat e Ulema Hind were either in alliance with the Congress or Tooth and nail opposed to the creation of Pakistan.

5) Indian Muslims tend to be much more fanatical and Arabicized that Pakistani Muslims.

Example I am yet to find an International Pakistani Student Muslim female who wears the Hijab and Indian one who doesnt!

6) IT WOULD HELP IF PEOPLE LIKE BHARTIYA MUSLIM DIDNOT MAKE THESE SWEEPING BIGOTED STATEMENTS WITHOUT EVEN GOING TO PAKISTAN.

7) I AM A PAKISTANI FIRST SECOND AND LAST, and if renouncing the brotherhood of Islam means being rid of the notion of being a `bhai` to a confused fundamentalist fanatic like yourself.... well I renounce ... I renounce .... I renounce!

8) Yasser Latif Hamdani lives in Gamma Sigma Fraternity on 19 Union Street New Brunswick NJ 08901... take Turn Pike from Holland Tunnel... and take the New Brunswick exit which 8 or 9 ...

then ask for College Ave, Union street is right behind college ave... I dont scare easily by threats of confused immature cowards!

9) Pakistan is here, and here to stay, and Pakistan will exist to eternity. It might not be perfect, but you wont find the conditions of living in Pakistan as bad as Calcutta for example... One day Inshallah we will make Pakistan a Beacon of light for the world.

10) LONG LIVE PAKISTAN!

Shammi

The write up by M.J. Akbar is not a very rational analysis of the events. Let us take for example this following para.



``Gandhi, in fact, settled for defeat and withdrew the non-cooperation movement that had unhinged the British by 1921, leaving his followers as bewildered as his opponents``

Please note the word ``defeat``. From the accounts I have read very few people have called it a ``defeat``. I can only conclude that it is writer`s prejudice garbed in rationality that is speaking. Gandhi had declared it a ``non violent`` movement, and when he found that people had lost patience and resorted to violence in Chauri Chaura, he called off his movement. Of Course if anybody disagreed with him, he could have started a different movement. Do you think at that time when Britain was reigning supreme, Britain would have offered Home rule frightened by the acts of violence by a handful of people. Keep in mind that the awareness of the harms of British rule had not spread sufficiently amongst the masses at that time. British would have unleashed a reign of terror, and most of the people would have merely watched as spectators. The aim to spread awareness among masses would have been pruned in infancy. Anyways, it seems to me Mr Akbar`s analysis seems to suffer from his own prejudices. You can never predict what would happen if one incident in the past(1921) was different due to the inherent uncertainity and chance factors that play an important role. Instead of acknowledging this element of uncertainity he prefers to use an absolute word like ``defeat`` that does not convince a cross-questioning reader.

Sincerely

sarwari #409 ``we will bomb you if your predominantly Hindu government tickles our sensitive parts``

Nothing serious, but this sentence had my mind drifting away...only it was not the governments doing the tickling.

May be we can have an Indo-Pak tickling contest :)

Bhartiya Musalman Jeeeee:[For your eyes only]

Masoom Interactors:Bhago Bhago Chup Jao Chup Jao..

Some Readers: Kyoun? Kyaa Hooa?

Masoom Interactors: [All the M.interactors Upnae Ammi Abbu Keh Pass Bhaag Kur Chup Gayae.]
Just to let the readers know that Masoom Interactors often do that when they are scared of NaAT`Zee. [Sehmae Hoaae Interactors]

Some Readers: Kya Koi Dragon Hae?
Ya Turram Khan?
Fati`hae` Maisoor?
Ya Ghalib Kaa descendant?

Masoom Interactors[with worry tupko-fying from their shakul]:
Abhi Daekhnae Kaa Mau`qaa` Hee Naheen Milaa:-(!
Siraf Naam Hee Kee Haibut Dil Pur Chaaaaa Gayee Hae` :( ----- OooooooOooooooOoooooooOooooooooo[frightened Oooooo]

Welcome Welcome!!!!
Khush Amadeed!
Khush Amadeed!
Jee Ayaa Noon!

Best Regards :-)

Yanqui #218 ``Sorry - I only meant illiterate, gay feudal twits living in/off the U.S. `` Too late. The cat is out of the bag and your post is there for all to see. You said the entire sub-continent was corrupt, and nothing you say after that can erase it. As for the filth in the remainder of your post, that is no substitute for anything intelligent, and demonstrates that you are not a mere retard, but a foul-mouthed retard.

Goldsteen #225 Ha! Ha! So you are a professional lawyer you say. I pity your clients since you probably lose every case and end up in jail yourself for contempt of court. As for the filth and hate in your posts, you have provided an excellent demonstration of the kind of individual you are.

sarwari #409 ``we will bomb you if your predominantly Hindu government tickles our sensitive parts``

please, lets not get carried away. :-)

ref: YLh #406

``Jinnah had brought the TNT to an end.``

Do you seriously think that ideas like that can be released when needed, and rebottled and stored again when their use is over? and that too by any one individual?

From today`s Dawn Opinion section, an excerpt from an article by MJ Akbar:

``India could have got home rule from the British at the same time as Ireland did, in 1921, when the British Empire had weakened from loss of blood in the First World War. But de Valera settled for a compromise and Gandhi did not. Gandhi, in fact, settled for defeat and withdrew the non-cooperation movement that had unhinged the British by 1921, leaving his followers as bewildered as his opponents. That is a much longer story. But it is worth recording that terminology from Ireland formed a substantive part of the discourse of the Indian national movement: India and Ireland were the first nations to rise against British rule. Repeatedly, and till Gandhi accepted partition, the Mahatma would insist that he would not allow any Ulster in India (Ulster is that part of Northern Ireland that was partitioned and kept for Protestants when the British gave Catholic Ireland home rule). ``

``One can imagine khadi-clad nationalists in Arrah and Azamgarh chanting ``Hindustan mein Ulster nahin banega, nahin banega!`` But what if Gandhi had accepted home rule and a form of swaraj rather than insisting on purna swaraj? Swaraj too would have led us to full independence and a republic after the Second World War (Ireland became a republic in 1948). But the journey would have been under the charge of Indians rather than the British alone. With consequences better than 1947 or not? At least it is a good question.``

re: dost-mittar

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and I might try out the food at a gurdwara one of these days :-).

Regards.

p.s. Not a single unit (to my knowledge) which later became the Pakistan Army mutinied in 1857. In some places I have even seen the battle honors displayed proudly - ``1857 Dehli``. Punjab as a whole stayed loyal to the English.