An Eulogy For The Hawks
Keerthik Sasidharan June 29, 2001
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#57 Posted by bhartiya musalm on July 2, 2001 10:26:49 am
Dear freethinker:
#16
Read with delight the thoughtful article by Ferozk -- and as usual your erudite post was an icing on the cake.
Ah Allama Iqbal – a great poet – and a not so great politician – and just like religion and politics make high octane inflammable mixture – poetry and politics – make a messy gut searing cocktail.
Allama started on the right foot – but later on he was much influenced by those day`s fascist ideals of Mussolini, and Nazis and its jewish counterpart of Zionism – the concept of ``superman``--``super race`` -– ``chosen people`` -- ``marshal race`` -- which he wanted Muslims to be -- entitled to DOMINATE the ``inferior people`` –was certainy a WRONG MESSAGE for the future.
There was a devolution in his thought process from the days of Sare JahaN se achchaa HindustaaN hamara -- to -- bahre Zulmat meiN dauraa diye ghorey hum ne.
Allama in his later years did turn into a crypto fascist. His Ilhami poetry was a marvel of the plasticity of URDU language – and deeply affected the URDU readers – and it still warms our coddle -– but it definitely did screw/skew the perception of nationhood, country, and politics -- for our community for all times to come.
I love Iqbal’s poetry – especially this couplet of his – wahee meri kum naseebi, wahee unki benayazee – mere kaam kutch na aayaa yeh kamale nai nawaazee.
He was so right.
All his Kamaale Nai Nawaazee – did no good -- it only created a MUDDLE -- of religion-in-politics -- called Pakistan.
What a ``kum naseebi`` -- for the Muslims of the subcontinent --and Afghanistan.
#16
Read with delight the thoughtful article by Ferozk -- and as usual your erudite post was an icing on the cake.
Ah Allama Iqbal – a great poet – and a not so great politician – and just like religion and politics make high octane inflammable mixture – poetry and politics – make a messy gut searing cocktail.
Allama started on the right foot – but later on he was much influenced by those day`s fascist ideals of Mussolini, and Nazis and its jewish counterpart of Zionism – the concept of ``superman``--``super race`` -– ``chosen people`` -- ``marshal race`` -- which he wanted Muslims to be -- entitled to DOMINATE the ``inferior people`` –was certainy a WRONG MESSAGE for the future.
There was a devolution in his thought process from the days of Sare JahaN se achchaa HindustaaN hamara -- to -- bahre Zulmat meiN dauraa diye ghorey hum ne.
Allama in his later years did turn into a crypto fascist. His Ilhami poetry was a marvel of the plasticity of URDU language – and deeply affected the URDU readers – and it still warms our coddle -– but it definitely did screw/skew the perception of nationhood, country, and politics -- for our community for all times to come.
I love Iqbal’s poetry – especially this couplet of his – wahee meri kum naseebi, wahee unki benayazee – mere kaam kutch na aayaa yeh kamale nai nawaazee.
He was so right.
All his Kamaale Nai Nawaazee – did no good -- it only created a MUDDLE -- of religion-in-politics -- called Pakistan.
What a ``kum naseebi`` -- for the Muslims of the subcontinent --and Afghanistan.
#56 Posted by bhartiya musalm on July 2, 2001 10:26:49 am
Dear freethinker:
#16
Read with delight the thoughtful article by Feroze -- and as usual your erudite post was an icing on the cake.
Ah Allama Iqbal – a great poet – and a not so great politician – and just like religion and politics make high octane inflammable mixture – poetry and politics – make a messy gut searing cocktail.
Allama started on the right foot – but later on he was much influenced by those day`s fascist ideals of Mussolini, and Hitler and their victim’s Zionism – the concept of ``superman``--``super race`` -– ``chosen people`` -- “marshal race” -- which he wanted Muslims to be -- entitled to DOMINATE the ``inferior people``.
There was a devolution in his thought process from the days of Sare JahaN se achchaa HindustaaN hamara -- to -- bahre Zulmat meiN dauraa diye ghorey hum ne.
Allama in his later years did turn into a crypto fascist. His Ilhami poetry was a marvel of the plasticity of URDU language – and deeply affected the URDU readers – and it still warms our coddle -– but it definitely did screw/skew the perception of nationhood, country, and politics -- for our community for all times to come.
I love Iqbal’s poetry – especially this couplet of his – wahee meri kum naseebi, wahee unki benayazee – mere kaam kutch na aayaa yeh kamale nai nawaazee.
He was so right.
All his Kamaale Nai Nawaazee – did no good -- it only created a MUDDLE -- of religion-in-politics -- called Pakistan.
What a ``kum naseebi`` -- for the Muslims of the subcontinent --and Afghanistan.
#16
Read with delight the thoughtful article by Feroze -- and as usual your erudite post was an icing on the cake.
Ah Allama Iqbal – a great poet – and a not so great politician – and just like religion and politics make high octane inflammable mixture – poetry and politics – make a messy gut searing cocktail.
Allama started on the right foot – but later on he was much influenced by those day`s fascist ideals of Mussolini, and Hitler and their victim’s Zionism – the concept of ``superman``--``super race`` -– ``chosen people`` -- “marshal race” -- which he wanted Muslims to be -- entitled to DOMINATE the ``inferior people``.
There was a devolution in his thought process from the days of Sare JahaN se achchaa HindustaaN hamara -- to -- bahre Zulmat meiN dauraa diye ghorey hum ne.
Allama in his later years did turn into a crypto fascist. His Ilhami poetry was a marvel of the plasticity of URDU language – and deeply affected the URDU readers – and it still warms our coddle -– but it definitely did screw/skew the perception of nationhood, country, and politics -- for our community for all times to come.
I love Iqbal’s poetry – especially this couplet of his – wahee meri kum naseebi, wahee unki benayazee – mere kaam kutch na aayaa yeh kamale nai nawaazee.
He was so right.
All his Kamaale Nai Nawaazee – did no good -- it only created a MUDDLE -- of religion-in-politics -- called Pakistan.
What a ``kum naseebi`` -- for the Muslims of the subcontinent --and Afghanistan.
#55 Posted by Eklavya on July 2, 2001 10:26:49 am
re: Krashid # 53
Ah...did I mess up some names? Didn`t know that Hamid Gul is a Deobandi, or who Noorani Mia is :(
And if Naqsbandi is a pious kind of Muslim, he has all my regards. I am sorry, I just dont follow these things all that closely.
Best,
EK
Ah...did I mess up some names? Didn`t know that Hamid Gul is a Deobandi, or who Noorani Mia is :(
And if Naqsbandi is a pious kind of Muslim, he has all my regards. I am sorry, I just dont follow these things all that closely.
Best,
EK
#54 Posted by nasah on July 2, 2001 4:39:27 am
Dear Soysauce:
I am no fan of army dictators and certainly not of Mr. Mushaarraf.
In fact I considered the invitation by Mr. Vajpayee a betrayal -- for totally different reasons – not because Musharraf was the foolish aggressor of Kargil – or not because it was against Vajpayee’s Hindutva “idealism” -- but because of Musharraf`s betrayal of democracy in Pakistan – and Vajpayee`s betrayal of democracy in Pakistan.
Yes legitimizing an army dictatorship -- that has silenced political dissent -- (a birthright of every Pakistani) -- that has put the two main political parties of Pakistan (that represent 70% of the voting populace) in a virtual slammer, by the barrel of the gun – is something that was not expected from an elected leader of a democratic country like India.
Nevertheless, for that precious peace and reconciliation between the two obsessively/compulsively quarrelsome brothers – everything is forgiven, and for that matter even Attilla the Hun is welcome if he comes as a messenger of peace and goodwill between the two countries that have been at each others neck for half a century..
At a time like this, coming up with an Indian Mein Kampf (mixed with Reaganism) is not going to do any good to anybody – except drive the majority of moderates and secular Pakistanis – and believe me majority of Pakistanis are NOT religious extremists (otherwise Vajpayee would have to sit with an “elected” Mulla Fazlurrahman instead of unelected Musharraf in Paniput)-- into the folds of irreconcilable militarists and irascible fundamentalists.
Isn’t it a bit too early, too cocky -- not to mention – sounding like crass and crude expletives:
“Fundamental factors that need to be encouraged.
(1) Increased Defense Spending.
(2) Fiscal Responsibility and Economic Liberalization. (The Government in the business of Governance)
(3) Encouragement of anti-Pakistani state factors, ranging from tactic support to secessionists, encirclement of Pakistan geographically with the Central Asian Republics, Iran, Qatar
(4) Unequivocal American ally.
(5) Continue to engage positively with Russia.
(6) Studied ambivalence towards China, with respect to defense and foreign affairs. Challenge their increasing market presence through legislation.
(7) Increase Naval Presence to controlling a sea-supply isthmus for Pakistan. .
(8) Unite with Russia, China to ally against Islamic extremism.
(9) Electrification of Indo-Pak border.
(10) Strategic Pro-US, Pro-India media used to change the tone, from indictment of Pakistan it must be the indictment of their Government and not the people.
(11) Neutralization of Pakistan’s efforts to redefine its government.
(12) Systemic extermination of Jehadi networks within India – in a manner a la Waco or Ruby Ridge.
(13) Create an appetite for power amidst local “serfs” within Pakistan’s feudal landscape.
(14) Let talks on Kashmir continue between Pakistan and India alone.
(15) Neutralize the Hurriyat politically and reduce them into irrelevancy.
(16) Improve local schooling, employment, medicine and bureaucracy in Kashmir simultaneously.
(17) Strengthen the RAW/IB/Military Intelligence with a coherent external agenda and specialist directors”.
Believe me I did read every word of that serpentine prose and it sent chills through my spine and raised hairs on my neck -- here it was the Pakistani bogey man -- the proverbial Ugly Indian -- of whom every rabble rouser, and hate monger of Pakistan had been foaming about for decades – which most of us thought was a fiction –and here it was in Keerthik column, writhing, twisting and turning -- alive and well -- and in print.
I am no fan of army dictators and certainly not of Mr. Mushaarraf.
In fact I considered the invitation by Mr. Vajpayee a betrayal -- for totally different reasons – not because Musharraf was the foolish aggressor of Kargil – or not because it was against Vajpayee’s Hindutva “idealism” -- but because of Musharraf`s betrayal of democracy in Pakistan – and Vajpayee`s betrayal of democracy in Pakistan.
Yes legitimizing an army dictatorship -- that has silenced political dissent -- (a birthright of every Pakistani) -- that has put the two main political parties of Pakistan (that represent 70% of the voting populace) in a virtual slammer, by the barrel of the gun – is something that was not expected from an elected leader of a democratic country like India.
Nevertheless, for that precious peace and reconciliation between the two obsessively/compulsively quarrelsome brothers – everything is forgiven, and for that matter even Attilla the Hun is welcome if he comes as a messenger of peace and goodwill between the two countries that have been at each others neck for half a century..
At a time like this, coming up with an Indian Mein Kampf (mixed with Reaganism) is not going to do any good to anybody – except drive the majority of moderates and secular Pakistanis – and believe me majority of Pakistanis are NOT religious extremists (otherwise Vajpayee would have to sit with an “elected” Mulla Fazlurrahman instead of unelected Musharraf in Paniput)-- into the folds of irreconcilable militarists and irascible fundamentalists.
Isn’t it a bit too early, too cocky -- not to mention – sounding like crass and crude expletives:
“Fundamental factors that need to be encouraged.
(1) Increased Defense Spending.
(2) Fiscal Responsibility and Economic Liberalization. (The Government in the business of Governance)
(3) Encouragement of anti-Pakistani state factors, ranging from tactic support to secessionists, encirclement of Pakistan geographically with the Central Asian Republics, Iran, Qatar
(4) Unequivocal American ally.
(5) Continue to engage positively with Russia.
(6) Studied ambivalence towards China, with respect to defense and foreign affairs. Challenge their increasing market presence through legislation.
(7) Increase Naval Presence to controlling a sea-supply isthmus for Pakistan. .
(8) Unite with Russia, China to ally against Islamic extremism.
(9) Electrification of Indo-Pak border.
(10) Strategic Pro-US, Pro-India media used to change the tone, from indictment of Pakistan it must be the indictment of their Government and not the people.
(11) Neutralization of Pakistan’s efforts to redefine its government.
(12) Systemic extermination of Jehadi networks within India – in a manner a la Waco or Ruby Ridge.
(13) Create an appetite for power amidst local “serfs” within Pakistan’s feudal landscape.
(14) Let talks on Kashmir continue between Pakistan and India alone.
(15) Neutralize the Hurriyat politically and reduce them into irrelevancy.
(16) Improve local schooling, employment, medicine and bureaucracy in Kashmir simultaneously.
(17) Strengthen the RAW/IB/Military Intelligence with a coherent external agenda and specialist directors”.
Believe me I did read every word of that serpentine prose and it sent chills through my spine and raised hairs on my neck -- here it was the Pakistani bogey man -- the proverbial Ugly Indian -- of whom every rabble rouser, and hate monger of Pakistan had been foaming about for decades – which most of us thought was a fiction –and here it was in Keerthik column, writhing, twisting and turning -- alive and well -- and in print.
#53 Posted by krashid on July 2, 2001 4:39:27 am
Urstruly #34
Why are you looking towards Hinood for fighting China.
Don`t you think Pakistan is a better bet with lots of money to be pocketed by our Generals.
After all if Pakistanis can take part in UN forces against Muslim Aidid in Somalia, against Muslim Iraqi`s in Gulf War. I don`t see any reason what is hindering Pakistan to take stand against Atheist, Communist, Buddhist (three faults at a time) Chinese as long as our economy can get more aid and our Generals can pocket more money.
On one side is China. On other Iran and on third Afghanistan. We have only to determine our own price. As any good ``Randi`` determines her worth depending on age (Each new customer is first customer with a high price). This is Capitalism my dear. No Hindu or Muslim.
Why are you looking towards Hinood for fighting China.
Don`t you think Pakistan is a better bet with lots of money to be pocketed by our Generals.
After all if Pakistanis can take part in UN forces against Muslim Aidid in Somalia, against Muslim Iraqi`s in Gulf War. I don`t see any reason what is hindering Pakistan to take stand against Atheist, Communist, Buddhist (three faults at a time) Chinese as long as our economy can get more aid and our Generals can pocket more money.
On one side is China. On other Iran and on third Afghanistan. We have only to determine our own price. As any good ``Randi`` determines her worth depending on age (Each new customer is first customer with a high price). This is Capitalism my dear. No Hindu or Muslim.
#52 Posted by krashid on July 2, 2001 4:39:27 am
FerozK #
I am sorry. Can you repeat the name again who you are selecting for people of Pakistan as elected prime minister?
Actually with so many names I get confused. Give me one name on whom I can stamp my thumb.
I am sorry. Can you repeat the name again who you are selecting for people of Pakistan as elected prime minister?
Actually with so many names I get confused. Give me one name on whom I can stamp my thumb.
#51 Posted by krashid on July 2, 2001 4:39:27 am
Eklavya #36
Asif Naqshbandi is not at fault. Noorani Mian has taken this line. The line to Noorani Mian is given by Pervez Musharraf.
Pervez Musharraf is appointed directly by God as per his own admission.
So Asif Naqshmandi is serious in giving a hand of friendship to Hinood.
In fact as far as I remember his party was not even in favor of creation of Pakistan (Or Noorani Mian was a splinter group I don`t remember).
And don`t mention that Deobandi Taliban inclined Hamid Gul with the name of Naqshbandi. Fire and water cannot exist and pray behind each other.
Naqsbandi is more pious kind of Muslim.
Asif Naqshbandi is not at fault. Noorani Mian has taken this line. The line to Noorani Mian is given by Pervez Musharraf.
Pervez Musharraf is appointed directly by God as per his own admission.
So Asif Naqshmandi is serious in giving a hand of friendship to Hinood.
In fact as far as I remember his party was not even in favor of creation of Pakistan (Or Noorani Mian was a splinter group I don`t remember).
And don`t mention that Deobandi Taliban inclined Hamid Gul with the name of Naqshbandi. Fire and water cannot exist and pray behind each other.
Naqsbandi is more pious kind of Muslim.
#50 Posted by Acheron2 on July 2, 2001 4:39:27 am
It is certainly NOT in India`s best interests for a destabilised Pakistan to emerge. Does anyone think that the Taleban-esque characters who reside in Pakistan (yes, sadly there are some of that mindset) would not use it as an opportunity to try and get power? The military is the best guarantee that the fanatics will never seize power. I know I am going to get Zia thrown at me for that, but seriously let`s even compare him to, say, Mullah Omar. Does India want a Talebani state with nuclear power on her border?
Pakistan has enough problems internally that she needs to concentrate on now, things that Musharraf is trying hard to deal with, and needling India is not one of them. He is trying to deal with the internal issues such as the economy and sectarian violence in cities such as Karachi, along with the Afghan refugee situation. Economic success tends to do wonderful things for a state... but only if they don`t have to worry about a neighbor who is constantly trying to destabilise them.
Musharraf is the best option for Pakistan right now and India should be very happy that they have someone of his stature in power. Attaturk took 19 years to bring stability and democracy to Turkey... if it takes Musharraf only 5 or 10 years then he has done a wonderful job and truly served his country as very few ever have.
Pakistan has enough problems internally that she needs to concentrate on now, things that Musharraf is trying hard to deal with, and needling India is not one of them. He is trying to deal with the internal issues such as the economy and sectarian violence in cities such as Karachi, along with the Afghan refugee situation. Economic success tends to do wonderful things for a state... but only if they don`t have to worry about a neighbor who is constantly trying to destabilise them.
Musharraf is the best option for Pakistan right now and India should be very happy that they have someone of his stature in power. Attaturk took 19 years to bring stability and democracy to Turkey... if it takes Musharraf only 5 or 10 years then he has done a wonderful job and truly served his country as very few ever have.
#49 Posted by ali1 on July 2, 2001 4:39:27 am
RE GODOT # 32
[``India`s approach to Kashmir ``problem`` in adapting Israel`s strategy``]
Godot, do you think that India has not adopted Israel`s strategy out of goodness of it heart?
Until India attains complete conventional and nuclear superiority over Pakistan akin to what Israel has over the towel heads, it can`t even think about doing it. This won`t happen IMO.
Remember the tow trucks that were called when Indian planes crossed over LOC during Kargil?
[``India`s approach to Kashmir ``problem`` in adapting Israel`s strategy``]
Godot, do you think that India has not adopted Israel`s strategy out of goodness of it heart?
Until India attains complete conventional and nuclear superiority over Pakistan akin to what Israel has over the towel heads, it can`t even think about doing it. This won`t happen IMO.
Remember the tow trucks that were called when Indian planes crossed over LOC during Kargil?
#48 Posted by ferozk on July 2, 2001 3:33:37 am
Re: Romair
Yaar, I have known the Soomro family for the past 30 years and I can tell you personally, if there is a choice between Soomro and suicide, I will gladly commit suicide.
Ciao
Yaar, I have known the Soomro family for the past 30 years and I can tell you personally, if there is a choice between Soomro and suicide, I will gladly commit suicide.
Ciao
#47 Posted by soysauce on July 1, 2001 7:52:16 pm
nasah #47
How was this fascistic?
Did you read the article? He makes the point that Pakistan will, in time, can only up the ante and take advantage of india`s problems. In other words, pak will continue to throw stones at india (to use your metaphor) and, therefore, it cannot get any worse if india does the same with respect to pakistan. It might even be to india`s advantage. What aspects of this do you disagree with? That pak has already been fishing in troubled waters (punjab, kashmir) and will continue to do so? Are you arguing morality? Please clarify.
I suspect you did not read the ``crummy analysis`` and are outraged because you are confusing realpolitik with individual morality. Do i have it about right?
I may not agree with all the approaches that Keerthik outlines. However, as with most indians, i share his suspicion of Musharraf`s trustworthiness. It would be very nice to walk the ``high road of peace in the interests of our peoples`` but that is not gonna happen with the military stranglehold over pakistan. Vajpayee will only end up legitimizing the pak miliatry`s authority which is not good for india in the long run.
Over to you.
How was this fascistic?
Did you read the article? He makes the point that Pakistan will, in time, can only up the ante and take advantage of india`s problems. In other words, pak will continue to throw stones at india (to use your metaphor) and, therefore, it cannot get any worse if india does the same with respect to pakistan. It might even be to india`s advantage. What aspects of this do you disagree with? That pak has already been fishing in troubled waters (punjab, kashmir) and will continue to do so? Are you arguing morality? Please clarify.
I suspect you did not read the ``crummy analysis`` and are outraged because you are confusing realpolitik with individual morality. Do i have it about right?
I may not agree with all the approaches that Keerthik outlines. However, as with most indians, i share his suspicion of Musharraf`s trustworthiness. It would be very nice to walk the ``high road of peace in the interests of our peoples`` but that is not gonna happen with the military stranglehold over pakistan. Vajpayee will only end up legitimizing the pak miliatry`s authority which is not good for india in the long run.
Over to you.
#46 Posted by nasah on July 1, 2001 6:53:02 pm
Soyasauce#45
``Why would it be bad for india to encourage the various conflicting forces within pakistan? Is it altruism or enlightened self interest that argues against that?``
Dont get too cocky, mister. Yes it is BAD FOR INDIA to destabilize Pakistan -- especially for an India that itself is walking on a balance beam.
And yes it is altrusim and enlightened self interest that argues against it. Look around yourself and see how many ``conflicting forces`` are operating in India. Should I enumerate them for you?
There are two aphorisms that every Indian and Pakistani of the Keerthik kind should carry as an amulet around their fascists necks.
Don`t do unto others what you don`t want others to do it to you. And the second one is : intelligent people who live in glass houses don`t throw stones at the neighbor`s house. And there is a third one...but I won`t mention it on this forum...
And it was a crummy ``analysis``, by the way.
``Why would it be bad for india to encourage the various conflicting forces within pakistan? Is it altruism or enlightened self interest that argues against that?``
Dont get too cocky, mister. Yes it is BAD FOR INDIA to destabilize Pakistan -- especially for an India that itself is walking on a balance beam.
And yes it is altrusim and enlightened self interest that argues against it. Look around yourself and see how many ``conflicting forces`` are operating in India. Should I enumerate them for you?
There are two aphorisms that every Indian and Pakistani of the Keerthik kind should carry as an amulet around their fascists necks.
Don`t do unto others what you don`t want others to do it to you. And the second one is : intelligent people who live in glass houses don`t throw stones at the neighbor`s house. And there is a third one...but I won`t mention it on this forum...
And it was a crummy ``analysis``, by the way.
#45 Posted by nasah on July 1, 2001 6:53:02 pm
Soyasauce#45
``Why would it be bad for india to encourage the various conflicting forces within pakistan? Is it altruism or enlightened self interest that argues against that?``
Dont get too cocky, mister. Yes it is BAD FOR INDIA to destabilize Pakistan -- especially for an India that itself is walking on balance beam.
And yes it is altrusim and enlightened self interest that argues against. Look around yourself and see how many ``conflicting forces`` are operating in India. Should I enumerate them for you?
There are two aphorisms that every Indian and Pakistani of the Keerthik kind should carry as an amulet around their fascists necks.
Don`t do unto others what you don`t want others to do it to you. And the second one is : intelligent people who live in glass houses don`t throw stones at the neighbor`s house. And there is a third one...but I won`t mention it on this forum...
And it was a crummy ``analysis``, by the way.
``Why would it be bad for india to encourage the various conflicting forces within pakistan? Is it altruism or enlightened self interest that argues against that?``
Dont get too cocky, mister. Yes it is BAD FOR INDIA to destabilize Pakistan -- especially for an India that itself is walking on balance beam.
And yes it is altrusim and enlightened self interest that argues against. Look around yourself and see how many ``conflicting forces`` are operating in India. Should I enumerate them for you?
There are two aphorisms that every Indian and Pakistani of the Keerthik kind should carry as an amulet around their fascists necks.
Don`t do unto others what you don`t want others to do it to you. And the second one is : intelligent people who live in glass houses don`t throw stones at the neighbor`s house. And there is a third one...but I won`t mention it on this forum...
And it was a crummy ``analysis``, by the way.
#44 Posted by Romair on July 1, 2001 5:54:35 pm
Ferozek #35: ``Romair, please rectify your comments...Jinnah would weep in his grave if Elahi Bux Soomro ever became the prime minister of Pakistan.``
Perhaps you did not read my complete post. I stated the following:
``According to Ayaz Amir, Mian Azhar is the best amongst this lot. And according to Cowasjee, Soomro is pretty good (Soomro`s nephew (I think) is the governor of Sind, and his son is/was the president of a major Pakistani bank under the current govt.). I have no idea, since I have never met any of them.``
I have no information on either of these two personalities. That is why I stated, ``I have no idea, since I have never met any of them.`` But the two journalists I mentioned seem to consider these two men better than the other lot available in PML.
``Education of the military
By Ayaz Amir
The political space it vacates can be filled with the `clean` figures of military mythology - people like Mian Azhar who, among a descending order of scoundrels and charlatans, are the least tainted by the shenanigans of the past 15 years......
The Eighth Amendment model of a powerful president and a representative prime minister served only to spread strife in the political arena. It`s time to move on to something more stable and enduring. With someone safe like Mian Azhar as prime minister, how about General Pervez Musharraf as the country`s first Gaullist president?
Will this be a perfect democracy? Of course not. But then this hybrid solution is the only thing allowed by the prevailing circumstances.`` (DAWN, Pakistan)
I was unable to find the reference to Soomro by Cowasjee, but it is out there somewhere.
Perhaps you did not read my complete post. I stated the following:
``According to Ayaz Amir, Mian Azhar is the best amongst this lot. And according to Cowasjee, Soomro is pretty good (Soomro`s nephew (I think) is the governor of Sind, and his son is/was the president of a major Pakistani bank under the current govt.). I have no idea, since I have never met any of them.``
I have no information on either of these two personalities. That is why I stated, ``I have no idea, since I have never met any of them.`` But the two journalists I mentioned seem to consider these two men better than the other lot available in PML.
``Education of the military
By Ayaz Amir
The political space it vacates can be filled with the `clean` figures of military mythology - people like Mian Azhar who, among a descending order of scoundrels and charlatans, are the least tainted by the shenanigans of the past 15 years......
The Eighth Amendment model of a powerful president and a representative prime minister served only to spread strife in the political arena. It`s time to move on to something more stable and enduring. With someone safe like Mian Azhar as prime minister, how about General Pervez Musharraf as the country`s first Gaullist president?
Will this be a perfect democracy? Of course not. But then this hybrid solution is the only thing allowed by the prevailing circumstances.`` (DAWN, Pakistan)
I was unable to find the reference to Soomro by Cowasjee, but it is out there somewhere.
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