Brahmin and Mullah

Dear Friend(Mohtaram):

Firstly, I must appreciate your hardwork to find the meaning of my first name.

Secondly, I hate to admit but I am not in the habit of chanting any mantra after someone. I am not cut that way. My heartiest apologies :(

``Now, you being a very mature and grown up women (Notice I didn`t call you lady ..), do you feel ok? ``

Kithae` Jee?

``I guess reading this crap of an article disturbed your balance.``

O Jee, O Tae Kudoan Daa Upside Down Higg`a Aae`. Tuss`ee Purh`da-ee Na`een O Mae`reeyaa`n Ul`tee`yaa`n Sidh`yaan Galaa`n. Chungae`Observer O, Tuss`ee?

``Repeat above written mantra few more times and you will be again be pak.``

O Jamm`iyaa Na`een Aae` Jae`raa Main`oon Koi Vee Muntra Repeat Kura`yae`. Let`s put it that way :)

Kind Regards.

SN:

Thanks for your compliments.

No one is picking on Sadhna, in particular. I do not think anyone has the time to do so. She is the one, whose curiosity, like a lava is ready to come out and jalao-fy everything. Please uss kee taraf tawajjau daen.

Buhat Buhat Dhanae`waar!

Tahmed[In response to your sweet`oo`& cute`oo post # 377]:

Salutes!

Standing Ovation!

Take Care.

PS: :) :-) :)

sadna #370 ``all my other posts(to which you are taking objection) were directed to other posters. Why assume every post is directed to you? ``

When you are on a public forum like chowk, then it is understood that what you write can be read and responded to by anyone. This is true at all times, including the times you berate other people`s religions, nationalities etc.

For the third time on chowk (and hopefully the last, unless I am stupid enough to read any of your posts again), I wish you a good day and will not respond anymore to your posts (unless I change my mind).

PS: People like you on chowk make me realize how blessed I am with my real-life friends (of all nationalities, including Indians).

friend #364 ``Dear Ahmek, did you have same irritation when you lil` ylh constantly berates Indians?``

Actually I did, and advised ylh the same (and indeed one or two other folks too). You see, I dont care whether you are Indian or Pakistani or Hindu or Muslim or Zen Buddhist. I dont care whether you insult me personally or offer praise. My self-appointed job on chowk is to point to hate-filled posts when I see them. I am after all an ahmek, you know.

#324

#329

DOST _MITTAR

``And still their numbers keep on increasing. Allah is great!....................````

``The author is a graduate of Rutgers University with a degree in Middle East Studies. He was Vice-President of the Pakistani Students Association at Rutgers for 2000-2001 and ...``

Are all Pakistani in Rutgers like this author? Are these typical of students Pakistan is producing these days?

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Urstruly,

We are being menaced by a bigoted fanatical monster called Bhartiya Musalman... will you not come to Pakistan`s aid?

Ref: Cecil Chaudhry article and my earlier article!

Dear Tahmed,

If what friend says about you is correct (REF: village barber, khatna, cockroach size etc.), I think you should seriously consider converting to hinduism. You would be well endowed by Hindu standards. Maybe they will start praying to you and yours. I have even recommend a new name for you: T. Cockroachalingum. hehehehe

tahmed #333

Sorry, I am late to get here, but here is my reply.

Just 1 thing. I think the reason u are pissed off so much is because she wrote the foll: ``if Islam says that a nonMuslim can never be the equal of a Muslim``.

Well.. guess what... I have heard this statement more often from the klutz-ses, AAmir`s, Aeisha`s etc. followed by a long-winding quotes and passages. So???

Anyway, I didn`t see her post addressed specifically to u. Chowk is after-all free for all. You can see everyone`s hatred, prejudices etc. If u dont like what she writes, I suggest u use that scroll bar on the right, the next time u see her name.(just as I do with many others). No need to get personal as I didn`t see her abusing u.

Zahra #330

[Thanks for your ``late`` intimate to Sadhna. ]

Sorry, some of us do not have the same luxury of time :-(

[Rather than being a silent spectator, why do not you resolve her query?]

What??? I dont have a problem comprehending what she says...I thought it was u guys...Why are u always asking others to answer the questions for u, why dont u give it a try for once?

[Please accept my heartiest apologies if the *wise crack * had far more wisdom than you were capable of comprehending. ]

Wow...So much modesty. I am humbled.

[On a relatively simpler note, I have no desire to participate in any *such * winding discussions with her. ]

So, what`s stopping u from ignoring her?

[Just to clarify: TAhmed`s comments were the result of his repeated discussions with Sadhna; where he has been sumjhao-fying her many things ten million times. ]

Ok, just curious. How many interactors are there in this board? A hundred, maybe? And does tahmed go around sumjhao-fying everybody? Or is it reserved for only those special few? I think this whole attitude of picking on a single individual reminds of the high-school bully. Of course, if its YLH, its a different ball-game ;-)

As for ur rest mango-lassi, et al..

Sorry, my sense of humour is not the same as urs...or maybe, it had far more wisdom than I was capable of comprehending???

re. ylh #324 to Sadna

``All your questions have been answered very well by a lot of chowkies on this board. I personally dont see the reason why we should continue to explain something to a person who is not only pig headed but a shameless liar!``

Whoaa!! Frankly. Yasser, I`ve seen more of Sadna`s questions go unanswered (sometimes by the use of childish ploys like I-don`t- ever-discuss-my-religion excuses, and often by choosing to deride the person and dismiss the questions as `unnecessarily offensive`.

``Now you are uttering some obscure words about tahmed`s (and mine) mullahism and caste system?``

Here`s where I think you`ve got the lady pegged down all wrong... She isn`t accusing either you otr TAhmed of being closet mullah, or of even overtly supporting mullah extremism. She simply asks the question that if --as we like to stress endlessly-- Paksitan is not in hte control of the mullah, who never win more than 2 seats at the polls etc.. how is it that we (a) allow laws that discriminate (or can be easily abused) agaisnt Minorities. Why is it that we do not raise a hue and cry about OUR funding of the taliban when they go about killing thousands of their fellow Muslims, and make inroads into our own country?

Sloganeering alone will not do it. NOt any more than citing the fact that this is not Jinnah`s Pakistan. There are serious questions we have to ask ourselves about the situation in our country.

Exchanging niceties, and being overly wary about not offending another`s religious beliefs/ insecurities (or being offended likewise) will not do a whit to solve any of these problems.

Of course, having ou behinds parked ten thousand miles from the troubled area -- by being efffectively disconnected with these problems in all but an intellectual sense -- affords us the illusion that by merely stating how usless all this strife is, and how, after all, we are all brotehrs and sisters belonging to one great family, and that if at least we on this site (as somewhat enlightened Pakisntanis and Indians) simply work things out and sing that `love, love love` ditty, all will be well back home!

Of course this sort of escapism is all too easy when ones kith and kin are enjoying the benifits of a liberal, democtratic polity -- far removed from the madness back home --- far enough not to have to trouble oneself too much about it`s causes.

Shame on us, especially those who, drawing our near-six figure salaries and with the luxury of discussing sher-o-shairi from our comfortable living rooms, delude ourselves into thinking that the problems back home have nothing to do with religion and will not `discuss` this `personal` matter (yeah right!), because, heck, religion works damn well for ME!

Zahra #330
Why do so many nonHindus discuss Hinduism? Why does chowk publish articles on Hinduism by nonHindus?
If you are upholding a universal principle, you should have objected much earlier.

If you are implying Muslims should get the special privilege of only their religion and traditions being offlimits while they are free to discuss everyone else`s, you are being unrealistic, you can enforce that unrealism only in Pakistan.

tahmed321 #363
Let me make this clear:

1. Except one post on life imprisonment and your own offensive personal remarks, all my other posts(to which you are taking objection) were directed to other posters. Why assume every post is directed to you?

2. Unlike you, I am not `retaliating`. While discussing caste with great fervor and calling for national debate in India, not one coward Pakistani here has admitted the fundamental underlying distinction in Islam which considers nonMuslims to be unequal to Muslims, you simply deny it. tahmed321, the Quran is available in English, too and I have spent months on chowk, so I know different.

One may make the argument, that inspite of what is written, its the overall philosophy and context of egalitarianism which is important. So I ask tell me one example of Muslim society where nonMuslims are considered full equals of Muslims.

I also asked, all these Pakistanis berating Hindusim for the caste system, which they term as `fundamental` to Hindusim, tell me where in Hindu reliigous scripture is caste discrimination binding on Hindus, like religious distinctions are binding on Muslims(one who doesnot accept finality of the Prophet cannot be considered a Muslim).

All I get is personal insults and lectures on my personality.
So to be a better person on chowk(aka get along with Zahra/tahmed): its ok to put the spotlight on many thousand years of Hinduism and Hindu social history including caste.. The more you do breastbeating the better person you are.

But God forbid, in the context of an article bewailing the effect of caste system and Hindu priesthood in 98% Islamic Pakistan,(and being lectured on the need for Indians to separate religion from the state like Pakistanis do) one asks the same questions about Islam or the social history/current trends of Islamic societies, and Pakistani society and one is declared unfit for the highminded confines of chowk.

There is a world outside chowk, where this sort of arbitrariness doesnot work, thats what I have to remind you.

klutz #358
Jews did something wrong so Afghans made them leave, hahaha. btw, a large number of Sikhs and Hindus migrated too, in 1990s from Afghanistan.

More than one million Kurds is a commonly accepted figure, it didnot come out of the blue. And donot use Palestine as example to excuse Muslim-majority atrocities everywhere in the world, Kurds had nothing to do with Palestine, and moreover they are Muslims too(I`ll bet you didnot know this and hence had no sympathy, which you may feel now).