Brahmin and Mullah

Zahra #: 330

``Also, I`d NEVER discuss my religion and its intricacies with Non-Muslims. You can NEVER make them understand CERTAIN ASPECTS for various reasons. You can talk about rituals to a certain EXTENT with them, but you cannot go all the way. Period! Now, I am assuming Sadhna is a grown-up woman; and would have some clue herself. ``

My dear rosebud,

Repeat with me loudly.

``I will NEVER discuss OTHER religion and its itrecacies. I can NEVER understand CERTAIN ASPECTS for various reasons. .....``

Now, you being a very mature and grown up women (Notice I didn`t call you lady ..), do you feel ok? I guess reading this crap of an article disturbed your balance.

Repeat above written mantra few more times and you will be again be pak.

yours only

# 352

MUSLIMS KILLED IN ANTI-MUSLIM ``RIOTS``

It is never too late, begining to know thyself. This is just a partial list upto 1992. The figures are government stats; independent sources puts these stats to almost double. Please also check Amnesty International and UN Human Rights Commision`s website. I have already supplied number of Kashmiri Muslims killed everyday several times on Chowk. The number is rougly 10 per day.

Anyway I have not posted these stats just to prove Sadhna wrong; Dear Indians, it is a human issue, if you try to look the other way or try to sugar coat it, you are only being an accomplice. Please work towards changing all that-no one deserves to die.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Pantheon/4789/Communalism/muslims_stat.htm

PS. The number of Christians killed per day will also be provided, if requested, but my friend PM is working on it and will soon post something.

sadna (continuation of my previous post): So, you will need to find some other excuse for writing your offensive posts - you cant blame it on me as I have explained in my previous post. Here are some tips on what you can do:

(a) instead of blaming me (since here your false excuse is easily exposed), blame it on other Pakistanis on chowk: this has been done by some people. However, that too is a bad excuse, since even if you are ``retaliating``, two wrongs dont make a right. or

(b) reflect on why you write your offensive posts...what makes you do it...

(b) might make you a better person as a result of being on chowk.

sadna #333 ``Its OK to misinterpret Hindusim and insult Hindus``

I must have written a couple of hundred posts on chowk by now. Please show me one sentence in one post where I have misinterpreted Hinduism or insulted Hindus. I have always stood for respect for all religions, including Hinduism, and for promoting goodwill between Pakistanis and Indians on chowk. When you make such statements I think I can be forgiven for wondering whether you have a brain.

Reply #: 329

dost-mittar

[[Actually I do know that. I also know that hindus are even more restrictive, even marriage outside one`s caste can trigger excommunication;

But we are mixing religion and state here. In India, any Hindus marrying outside their religion incur a high risk of being disowned by their family and friends. But if anyone`s prepared to defy the traditional taboos and willing to take that risk, as many have done, the State is committed to protect their right to live in peace and dignity.

The more important point I was making was that even where a Hindu has entered into a mixed marriage without conversion, the children are usually raised as non-hindus. Since parents generally put their children`s interests above everything else, I conclude from this that they do not see any signficant advantage for their children to be raised as a hindu in India.]]



I stand corrected :)... actually i know what u meant i was just stating that islam doesnot allow women to marry outside their religion incase u werent aware of it.

[[Yes, I did it as a child during partition but that`s not what we are talking about now.]]

dost-mittar during partition muslims/hindus/sikhs all of them were harrassed, killed, etc. yes we are not talking about that.

there are about 15% muslims in india.... so obviously when the muslim minority is in a huge amount the indian govt will let them celebrate their festivals.. and also india calls itself a secular state.. dont u think then that every religion in india should be given equal rights be it sikhs/hindus/christains or muslims? if hindus can celebrate their festivals then why not muslims or sikhs??

Yes u are very right.. i havent seen any hindus celebrating their festivals in pakistan... but maybe because there are not many hindus here?Im not ssaying that they shouldnt be given equal rights.. in my opinion they should..

yes we dont have any national holidays for hindus or christains or sikhs ... but we have so many christain schools in pakistan.. they give out holidays to their students on st.peters day or other such days... our govt doesnt try to curb their rights... everyone is free to do what he/she wants to do... if hindus want to celebrate diwalis etc then i dont think our govt will have anything against it.(well atleast i wont...and neither will many pakis)

[[P.S. Could you, pretty please, change your monikar? I hate to address anyone as klutz:-).]]

haha well its my username :P its my identity now hehe.. dont feel bad about referring to me as klutz.. after all i chose it myself :) ... but if u still feel like calling me with another name then u can call me `Luki` *my nickname * :)

Reply #: 318

anNy

Thankyou anNy for ur encouraging words ``)

klutz

Reply #: 297

sadna

[[Will you explain why there is only one Jew left in Afghanistan? ]]

Sadna why dont u ask the jews themselves... they decided to leave afghanistan... (btw there isnt only one jew .. it was one jew rabbi!!).. this jew rabbi decided to stay and no one tried to make him leave...no one tried to curb his rights... he was given his rights, he could practice his religion any way he liked. So this clearly shows that talibans werent discriminating minorities rights... if other jews had decided to stay they would have been treated just like the rabbi is being treated.

[[And why a large number of Afghan Jews faced persecution and steadily migrated to Bombay, India (among other places) in the last 300 years?]]

can u plz tell me where u read this crap?u ask why the afghan jews faced persecution.. but are u sure they did?? did u see it by yr own eyes? newspapers tend to exaggerate my dear sadna and if u read it in yr indian newspapers and/or american newspapers then im not surprised at how the muslims are being portrayed.why dont u ask urself if those afghan jews did something wrong.? You dont ask what jews are doing in palestine and why they are doing it.... u dont ask why so many muslims are being killed by the jews.. u dont ask urself that even though jews are treating muslims in a disgusting manner,why then muslims still dont treat jews in that same abhoring manner.u ask me why jews migrated to india, (the jews minority) yet u dont ask me why muslims are being killed,molested in palestine (a muslim majority state)!!!!

Reply #: 298

sadna

i am not saying that muslim states havent done anything wrong to their minorities.But atleast muslims have been treating their minorities way better than muslims minorities are being treated around the world!!! 1 million huh?? statistics my dear sadna are very inaccurate... and statistics provided by newspapers,magazines etc are even more inaccurate... They are misleading.period.

Zafar Al Talib,

Please compare Pak Musalman`s post with Bhartiya Musalman`s post!

-YLH

One must wonder about people who find it necessary to declare

``Long Live Pakistan`` as often as they have to run to the bathroom

during a day. Can you all spell I-N-S-E-C-U-R-I-T-Y? Only those

with doubts about Pakistan`s continued existence will feel the

need to reaffirm it.

No Indian ever finds it necessary to declare ``Long Live India,``

particularly on a randon-a$$ message board chock full of people

from the wrong the side of the border. We KNOW India has lived

long and will live long....we are a genuine civizilation, not the

byproduct of political and religious machinations.

Yes indeed, you are a genuine civilization based on oppressing humanity in the name of caste and creed for centuries!

I personally say Long Live Pakistan, because this cry is inherent ingrained in my soul... it is a religious cry for me, it is how you people say `Raghpati Radhav Raja Ram` ... only fanatical religious slogans never did anything for my soul!... My soul cries out Pakistan Zindabad ... My soul cries out Long Live Pakistan . You speak of insecurity, I have none. I know that Pakistan will exist till eternity, because it is a country founded on a principle and a country founded for a reason, not some ancient Vedic Scripture or a caste system of oppression!

Becharay Rsaxena kee apni Duniya, aur apni choti choti khushian especially when he is unable to contribute positively or productively to the discussion!

LONG LIVE PAKISTAN!

tahmed321 #333

``SN #319 OK. I am sorry if that post offended you. I do find Sadna`s constant berating of Pakistanis to be irritating. ... Had this been the first time she had such I post, I would have written a different kind of a response. But this is a person who has been on chowk for months and constantly plays the same tune without any concern. .... Is this why we are here on chowk? To insult one another, berate one another`s religious feelings? I hope we can aspire for something more intelligent than that....``

My poor Ahmek,

Now I understand why you are scratching your behind. It is IRRITATION!! Dear Ahmek, did you have same irritation when you lil` ylh constantly berates Indians? You also have been on Chowk for months and lost your patience. Why it is not allowed for Sadna to loose her patience when some of your buddies on the chowk play same tune again and again? (If it is because she is not a M.., I will not say a word, I know that asking that question is forbidden).

One can aspire for something more intelligent, only if one tries to rise above the roach`s level. Now you have dragged us all to that level, you better enjoy being in roach pit.

tahmed321 #332

My dear Ahmek,

``friend #320 Any barber will do, I am sure. You may have to wait your turn though, while they find a suitable donor roach that matches your blood type..... ``

I contacted the barber from your village for a proper roach and he suggested your blood as most suitable. But he was afraid that it may be infected with AIDS. He is checking if Zahra darling`s blood is of correct IQ level recommended by you. YLH was of correct IQ level but he was not a roach. He was a worm. Is a worm ok? Waiting for your advise.

Tahmed, sorry I don`t know of any such prayer. I am not religious and I don`t pray. As a result I don`t know any prayers.

Regarding the nation wide debate on the caste system. Somebody has already answered for me. Everybody agrees it`s evil. Eventhough a lot of people might not really mean it.

The intellectual debate has already taken place and as a result we have all these measures in place to check the propagation of the caste system.

Every school text book (civics) spends at least some pages on the evil nature of the caste system.

Sarwari & fellow Indians

``None of these groups wanted to be anyone else, and this was done through conditioning.``

Aeisha, if I make out correctly what you meant then this is very true.

I would like to question my fellow countrymen/ women, who have been interacting over this article for quite sometime and amongst whom, incidentally, none has supported the caste system, would go for a marriage by choice or let their family member happily marry someone from the SC/ ST without any family pressures. Not many, I am sure. And please don`t say that the pressure would be in any inter-caste marriage. Becasue it would be less than in the one I am talking about. And these are not just the feeling of the elder generation but also the youth of India. Evident even in the professional colleges where most of the upper-caste students shy away from the courtship with those from SC/ ST. It is sad but true that despite all the legislative attempts being made and preechings being done, we are still are far behind in overcoming this mind set. This has to start from individual level. This was just an example which I made, you can marry who ever you like.

And Aeisha, this is not confinded to Hinduism only. Even people who have embraced other religion are of the same mindset. As you said its been conditioned that way, if I get you correctly.

As for the book you have suggested, the next time I go to Delhi, I would check it out.

Mona

Studebaker 343,

CHANGING TIMES

The name madras for the state was changed to tamilnadu, that must be at least 25 years ago. Of late even the city of madras is gone, it is chennai.

Studebakers are gone, now it is the turn of the Hyundais, Kias and the lexus.

There are lot of indians and increasingly few muslims, getting as rare as the studebakers.

Studebakers never change, they are made of iron, they rust away.

Zafar Al-Talib

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But we DO make excellent kababs!!!! Don`t you think that this small redeeming feature should be mentioned in fairness? ````````````

And also the best biriyani in the world ;-)

LOL@U..

Oops, I forgot to paste the link in my last post.

Here it is,

http://www.hvk.org/articles/1299/6.html

It is a must read...

About the seperate telangana movement, It is too early to say. That there is a problem of underdevelopment and huge inequalities inspite of pocessing vast natural resources is a fact. So there is an undercurrent of passive support going on in Telangana for a separate state. But there had been considerable progress since the last one in 60s and so the support is not too great either.

What is surprising is the latest TRS movement, its leader and its support base. No one trust him too much either bcos of his high profile campaigning (helicopters and all). And Naidu is also on a war-footing to stem this movement. The panchayat polls willl give us a drift of people`s sentiments. Let us wait and watch...

I dont support a seperate movement. A.P has everything going on for it and became a vital power base in centre. This division will put a spanner in the works. I only hope people in Telangana will realise it . But as I said earlier, lets wait and watch...

Cheers,

jntuece99