Brahmin and Mullah

Sarwari,

It is sad when people like Bhartiya Musalman no doubt motivated by personal indignation make it a public thing.

Aisha how long are your rejected Indian Muslim suitors going to take it out on Pakistan?

Long Live Pakistan!

(Ref Bhartiya`s post to Sarwari on YLH`s board)

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klutz #181 ``pakistan is known as an ``islamic republic`` ``

There is no mention of islamic republics (or islamic kingships) in the Quran. The concept of an ``islamic republic`` is a patently unIslamic piece of nonsense that is propogated by those who hope to gain a position of power in Pakistan through devious means. I am amazed at how easily people accept such rubbish. I dont think you are a klutz, so please think for yourself on these matters. Just because someone adds the adjective ``islamic`` to anything does not mean it is in fact islamic. Often it is the most unislamic of things, including this concept of an islamic republic.

re: Aeisha # 190

Original form of Hinduism??!

This is news to me :)

Does anybody know what the ORIGINAL form of Hinduism was? Or, even what the ORIGINS of Hinduism were?

Are Hindus at all interested in finding ansers to such questions?

studebaker/klutz,

{{{Muslims have been provided ,what you may loosely term a vetoe power like ptrivilged few super poqwers or membership of the frequent flyers club with extra benefits & rights to executive lounge (jannah)}}}

If I understand you correctly, muslims are ``blessed``, ``privileged`` humans eh? compared to people of other religions? I`m reeeally puzzled why you favourite sons & daughters of God criticise brahmins so much when they feel they are they are a special previliged ``caste``!

{{{Islam is a perfect religion}}}

Obviously, studebaker & you didnt pick out the sarcasm in my post. Lets look at your statement again. What youre NOT saying speaks louder than what youre saying. When a person says MY religion is perfect; he/she is also saying YOUR religion is ``less than perfect``; so my religion is better than your religion. I think thats downright arrogant & bigoted. Like MY way of praying to God is better than YOUR way of praying to God.

Thats why I`m disgusted & disillusioned with EVERY religion. Every religion in its innermost core philosophy says the same thing. However, we human beings have twisted religion into an instrument of hatred & division. Why?! Because MY way of praying to God is better than YOUR way---We are special, we are the chosen people, our way guarantees a special visa to heaven. BULLSHIT!! The irony is that those who thump the Bible, Geeta or Koran on their chest the loudest are the ones who insult religion the most.

Thats the problem with fundamentalists in every religion. They feel that religion should never be revised. Anybody who opposes the dominant thinking is ``excommunicated``. Well, Martin Luther was ``excommunicated``---it means, according to the Vatican, his soul will burn in hell in everlasting damnation, because he DARED oppose the Church of Rome. Yeah, right!! Well let me tell you what fundamentalist Christians say--after you die your soul is given a simple choice---accept Christ as your true son of God or be damned to hell. BTW, they think THEIR visa to heaven is more privileged than a muslim`s visa---so stand at the back of the line, good muslim folks. Well, at least you wont be standing as far back as us ``depraved idol worshipping pagans`` (pl note the sarcasm here).

So please spare me that ``holier than thou`` crap. ``Perfect`` as your religion is, muslim countries have the same incidence of sins as Western countries. There is good & bad in EVERY religion. Thats why I`m irreverent to EVERY religion, including (& especially) mine. I`ll leave my judgement in the capable hands of God; so dont bother praying for my soul. O well, maybe we should just agree to disagree.

So, studebaker, I`m VERY happy for you that you have a jannah. Heck, your religion is PERFECT for YOU; but not for ME ( & perhaps 3 quarters of a billion hindus or a billion Chinese).

PLEASE dont be offended by this. If God put me in your jannah, I would be banging the doors to get out in less than a day---forget about an eternity!! Look at it from my point of view--I have to spend an eternity with Mullah Omer (or even worse, Farangi_Kush types)--yikes!!! The one saving grace that I thought was good was 72 houris. Well, my friend, you even ruined that for me by saying you are not allowed to lust after them! How many cold showers is a guy allowed to have in the jannah?

Let me tell you, hell looks a lot better than your jannah. Granted its a little hot there, but I can deal with it, I lived in the tropics for a couple of decades. Besides, my parents, family, relatives, people I like are all going to be there. Think of the ``all you can eat`` Chinese food you have there. I can go on & on....

Moral of the story

My pious brothers & sisters Of Islam. Your religion is perfect ONLY for muslims---not necessarily so for non muslims. Of course, Hinduism is PERFECT for me & not you.

PROSTITUTION ROW DIVIDES FROM OUR SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT

New Delhi, July 6:

Women’s organisations are split on legalisation of prostitution — a demand voiced by both human rights groups and the health ministry. A number of women’s organisations across the country today declared that they will launch a movement against the demand.

“Legalisation will only help brothel owners, procurers and traffic owners,” said Sheila Jefferys, who has been working among prostitutes in Australia.

The state of Victoria legalised prostitution in the eighties. “The result was that each week, 60,000 men in the state spent $7 million on prostitution with the legalised industry turning over more than $360 million a year and drawing on some 4,500 prostituted women and girls,” informed Jefferys, who has joined women’s organisations like Joint Women’s Programme, Sanlaap, Nishant and Prerna to campaign against the legalisation.

Opposed to these organisations are groups like Durbar Mahila Samannay Samiti, a West Bengal-based organisation that has taken the lead in advocating legalisation of prostitution. Human rights groups claim that granting legal status to the sex industry would give its workers some sort of respect that they are denied now.

Legalisation means prostitutes will have to register themselves as sex workers in the government’s official record after which they will be given licenses. The government will conduct regular health and medical checkups to ensure they are not affected by AIDS.

“Licenses do not mean an end to violence in prostitution,” says Priti Patkar from Prerna, a Mumbai-based organisation working in brothels. She argued that licensing would only lead to stigmatising women — a stigma that will be carried over to their children. A prostitute, once licensed, will go down in the records forever as a prostitute, Patkar added.

“Women in prostitution do not want their children to continue in the trade. Even when the trade is not legal, they find it difficult to get their children admitted in schools. Once they are officially stamped with the label of prostitutes, it will stick not only to them but also to their children,” says Jyotsna Chatterjee of Joint Women’s Programme.

As for medical checkups, Chatterjee says, prostitutes will be segregated and looked upon as a threat to public health.

The pro-legalisation lobby, on the other hand, says that legalisation also involves decriminalisation of sex workers and giving them the status of industry will bring them under the purview of labour laws.

The anti-legalisation lobby sees the move only as a medium for spurring trafficking, which has mounted to huge proportions. It dismisses the argument that women in India voluntarily enter prostitution.

“A strand of feminist opinion is saying that prostitution is a matter of choice for women and should be treated as such. But this is completely misleading,” says Jean D’Cunha, a board member of the Coalition Against Trafficking in Women, Asia Pacific.

AAmir

((``klutz Btw im not a guy...im a gurl..but my sex isnt important.i just wanted to let everyone know as most of u think im a guy``

``Aapa,chote behen,behna,didi,aapne naam hi kuch aisa rakha hai ke feminity se bahut door aur if by klutz you mean ungraceful,awkward,gawky,uncouth, then it fits men!!))

AAmir bhaijaan aap kahan reh rahae hain? humn aap ko bataae hain. Theres nothing as feminine as acting dizzy then breaking a cupla flower pots tumbling all over the place acting all delicate and gurlygurly that gets all the males in the vicinity falling all over you. Sarae pagal hojatae hain, hero kae bachae

Aeisha #190

Hi again!

Aeisha, when you talk about the reformist movement, I request you to check the facts that these movements were about the restoration of the past glory of Hinduism; i.e, to do away with the wrongs adopted over the period of time.

Basically, if you see, Hinduism is not about `Murti-Puja`. More stress is laid on meditation, which could be done without sitting in front of any idol.

As for Ranveer Sena killing the Maoist. What do you think, the Maoist keep mum about it. They go right back and do the same thing.

My servant not knowing of equality is other thing, I would like to point out. Their children go to school and study the same things we did although in Hindi medium and watch the Doordarshan along with their families. That`s the place where we learnt about equality. This is just one of the things. No matter what you would like to belive, they are not nincompoopes as you are making them out to be.

As I said in my earlier post, religion is all about faith. If a person could relate with it, it`s okay.

Mona

Bhariya Muslim #167

Your remark related to a muslim convert from lower caste is most uncalled for.

Mona

Klutz,

Beauty lies in imperfection. What would earth be like if it were to be a plain perfect sphere without any mountains, deserts, oceans to boast of? What would your life be, if it were devoid of sorrow and happiness and other emotions? You might be revered but how many would like to be like you?

Mona

IMPORTANCE OF PAKISTAN,

Godot,

On one of the threads you ask the question, can the dissolution of pakistan solve all the poblems. I am one of those believers that the cause of problems is ideas, to give a hypothetical example, all of the poverty in say pakistan will be solved if the US decides to spend a small fraction of its defence spending on poverty elimination in pakistan. They wont do it simply because the idea that it should be done is not accepted. As I have posted several times, chowk is a market place of ideas, so for the time being, let us leave the images of the poor. Let us talk of ideas, what idea pakistan stand for.

TNT is a divisive force, and despite all the utterences of YLH, it is a geinie out. The blasphemy laws of pakistan, kashmir problem, support for the chehnians and the latest threat from pakistan based LET on indian sports men are all manifestations of TNT.

Pakistan today stand as an intersection of the progressive forces in south asia and the ideology of &th century. A court in pakistan has said `riba` has to go, the same court that up holds blasphemy laws, the supreme sheria court.

Pakistan is the manifestation of a certain idea, that is like a mill stone on the future of south asia. Dissolution of pakistan will remove that institutional structure that protects the LET, blasphemy laws, honour killing, the k for kafir education. As prof hoodboy posted in an article, if identifying e hindu with in five years of schooling is a curriculum requirement, the institution that supports the idea should be dissolved.

In conclusion, will the dissolution of pakistan remove poverty, yes, it will lead to proliferation of ideas and institutions that remove poverty at the cost of jihadic heavens. It will remove poverty faster.

regards

jay.

YLH #188 ``Aisha how long are your rejected Indian Muslim suitors going to take it out on Pakistan?``

Ha! Ha! Good one.

Slink

(a more relevant question for you to be asking might be what should india do with its own extremist fanatics? )

Do? Accept tau karain pehlae behen, doing shooing baad mae.

Vereesh, aap kaunsee grade mae hain bhaijaan? Aur kuch ziada high nahin hoae wae aajkal?

Just curious to know:

Are Islamic laws perfect too?
Are legal/ethical recommendations of Islamic scholars in Hadiths of antiquity perfect too?
Are legal/ethical recommendations by present-day Islamic scholars perfect too?

Mr.shankar

``...Look at it from my point of view--I have to spend an eternity with Mullah Omer...``

not that its my place to say so, but i hardly think that obnoxious man will get anywhere close to jannat. He`s all but ruined the lives of hundreds of young and old afghani men and women. (i say this in reference to visits to refugee camps in the outskirts and interaction with young men who have not only recently gotten back from afghanistan after fighting have but also met that moron)

i know i know u were kidding but just thought id clear that bit up..and besides if he gets there I will leave as a sign of protest.

klutz#135:

``Every religion has a flaw except Islam``

Oh really? Have you studied every religion except Islam? Then how do you know? Why then is the majority of the world not Muslim? If it is the only ``flawless religion`` surely then all other imperfect faiths will crumble in its face? But it doesnt seem like those damn Christians/Jews/Buddhists/Hindus/Sikhs agree with you.

klutz#142;

``You remind me of an ``indian Muslim woman`` who on her friends advice went to a ``Mandar`` to pray for her sons health who was dying.She didnt pray to Allah (well maybe she didnt) . but she went to a mandar and prayed to those objects made of stone``

Dont you guys pray to a black stone in the Kaaba five times a day? Please explain, klutz. Flawless indeed!