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correction.

``GazloN ki dokaan`` not ka.

Uncle Dost Mittar:

It meant a devilish grin - Dentonic`s ad.

: [Smiling Eyes]
D [Devilish Grin]

Take Care.

Dear Eklavya, Pankaj, Bapu, and Banjara:

Urdu nawaz haiN aap to dou maaktey suun leiN:

maiyey kherudd ke nasshe meiN Zeya khayal rahe

geereiN naa haath se mashriq ke kuhnaa paimaney

zahn ko chahiyey go baaday -e- maghrib ka saroor

dil Zeya gessooye mashriq ka hee shaidaee hai.

Dear banjara:

Shukriya. You may be right. There are all kinds of versions floating around. Quite a few liberties were taken in the film Ghalib -- supposed to be a researched version -- some of them have been altered by Jagjeet Singh -- who has further immortalized Ghalib with his syrupy voice.

Dear Bapu:

You`re right written Urdu is not an easy language to learn.

Ek kiya dou teen umreiN chaahiyeN uskee zulf ko sawaarne meiN.

Thanks for the internet address.

There is a wealth of information there -- also logon ne gazlooN ka dookaan khol rakhkhee hai wahaN. Shukriya.

Re:Reply #: 111

veeresh,

Thanks for your post addressed to me. I have a question for you. I ask you this question because i believed you are most qualified to answer it and that in doing so, you will be unbiased.

Why are we (i mean mainly Indians)talking about Human Rights Violations in Kashmir? To me, it seems they are inevitable and occur because Indian Army is defending its turf. Which moved into the Valley first: Jehadists who are killing innocent people or the Army, which moved in as a reaction to Jehadist forces. Army is fighting an invisible army, a kind of guerilla force. There is no knowing who among the seemilingly innocent civlians in the valley is carrying a grenade or a weapon ready to be hurled or aimed at the next army personnel. I heard that the Army men live on the edges and fear for their lives every minute of their existence. In such a scenario, one is not surprised these violations occur.

Now, if there were no terrorists in the valley (Pakistanis like to call them freedom fighters)and Army were committing these crimes, i would say kick the army out, they have no business to be there. But, then that is not the case. We are reacting to a situation created by these Jehadi elements and carefully encouraged and nurtured by Pakistani rulers. Human Rights violations will cease the day Jehad stops. If army stays there for even one more day, i will be one of its severest critics. If Pakistan were serious and concerned about lives lost due to these HRVs it would discourage Jehad as it is harming Kashmiris the most. People living in nearby states are unaffected by the goings on in Kashmir. Talking about HRV in such circumstances does not seem to make much sense to me. Stop Jehad (diplomatically or militarilsy),bring peace to valley and if still these HRVs occur, talk about them. What do you think?

Sridhar

Zahra #162: Pakistan commando force is a small portion of army. Their total numbers must be much less than total police force in Karachi alone. How would they take upon Jihadis in Karachi, Jhang, Multan and other cities simultaneously? Ultimtely, it has to be police force. Our interior minister, Moinuddin Haider, has been reading from the same written statement from the time of his governorship of Sindh that government has finalized a plan to deal with them. Nobody takes his statements seriously.

Pakistan army is not seriously tested in urban warfare within country. They are more interested in ruling and raising taxes than providing relief to public. Like any other corporation or institution, they are interested to protect their own interests before worrying about others.

General Question:

Is there any current or ex army man on board?
If there is one, I would like to hear your take on a commando action in Sindh. Is it possible to conduct such an operation in the current conditions?

If yes, any repercussions?

If no, why?

Thanks

Nasah:

``Hangama`` can be taken both ways: negative as well as positive. Also, Raunaq should not be read as festivity or celebration - it`s chaos. I intentionally avoided posting the second line of the shaer! Thanks for the correction ``Pur`` than ``Pae.``

Aside from suggesting army to conduct a commando action in Karachi, I think all the ones who are holding high and mighty positions in Karachi`s administration should be taken to task. Good for nothing administration! Then, we hear the constant mourning: in form of blaming of other provinces - Oh yes, talk is very cheap. It diverts us from handling the real issues. Great Strategy!

First of all Sindh needs to re-establish its structure where there is some law-and-order than the ``prevalent lawlessness`` that has been in effect since I do not know when. Interestingly, no one will ``ever`` implement any such steps. This chaos facilitates the actions of the conniving and shrewd ones. It assists them in creating further chaos.

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veeresh #145
If you want to nail some lies, Qanun-e-Shahadat 1984 and its implications are all over the web and (in the Dawn newspaper and I am sure more so in print) where women witnesses are concerned. There is a similar issue with nonMuslim witnesses in cases under Islamic law.
I feel sorry for Pakistani activists who court the disfavor of religious parties in these matters(thats on the web too), if the problems they make it their business to address and they themselves are neither seen nor heard.

Reply #: 164

Eklavya

Urdu-English/Urdu-Hindi dictionary

Does anyone know of a good urdu to english or urdu to hindi dictionary online?

nasah # 163

Janab-e- waala.... misra-e- oola sahih kar lain.

``tere waaday par jiye hum tau yeh jaan jhoot jana``

nawaazish.

Urdu-English/Urdu-Hindi dictionary

Does anyone know of a good urdu to english or urdu to hindi dictionary online?

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Tere vaade pe jiye hum....

Dear Pankaj:

Ghalib -- India`s and Pakistan`s pride.

Please learn Urdu. Or get the Diwan -e- Ghalib in Hindi. You don`t know what you`re missing.

It goes like this:

Tere vaade pey jiye hum pu yeh hum ne jhoot jana

Ke khooshi se mur na jate agar etabaar hota

Zahra`s line `` aik hangame pey mouqoof hai ghar ki ronaque`` is also Ghalib`s.

Mr. JB:

Somehow, I thought I may find some views on ``commando action`` in your post. Any thoughts on my suggestion ?

Dost Mittar G 155:

:D

by the way the word is barren not baron -- a barren place ruled by the barons may be...