Nafisa Haji August 4, 2001
#34 Posted by scout on August 7, 2001 2:02:09 am
Shah #32,
Who cares about Dilip and Saira.....didn`t she like him anyway.
This is about older Pakistani men getting hitched to way younger women through arranged marriages.
I`ve seen it happen.
I had to call one guy ``Uncle`` when he came by to set him straight. The look on his face when he heard word was a Kodak moment. Poor thing.
Who cares about Dilip and Saira.....didn`t she like him anyway.
This is about older Pakistani men getting hitched to way younger women through arranged marriages.
I`ve seen it happen.
I had to call one guy ``Uncle`` when he came by to set him straight. The look on his face when he heard word was a Kodak moment. Poor thing.
#35 Posted by taimurmalik on August 7, 2001 4:20:34 am
hey Nafisa!
A nice and brave piece indeed..hope you are not a recently married 21 yr old one time graduate of convent!
keep writing!
A nice and brave piece indeed..hope you are not a recently married 21 yr old one time graduate of convent!
keep writing!
#36 Posted by Shah on August 7, 2001 4:20:34 am
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#37 Posted by Waheed on August 7, 2001 10:14:45 am
RE: Author,
Oh the mother of all paybacks !!!...;-) LOL, ...sorry Nafisa but the construct seems a little manufactured. You baseline with Mubeena`s scenario and you conclude with Majid`s reality, both are identical. You treat both Paap & P`oo`UN the same.
And you didn`t give us the moral of the story ;-)
Hypothetically, Majid, with all his apparent good looks, charm, and experience is a Jack Ass who aggrees to marry a 21 old...:-) well how about an alternative, Mubeena gives birth to a child which belongs to Majid as the result of their one night together, she moves to states unknown to Majid,
a) Majid discovers the wife to be is Mubeena`s daughter and gets the reality check there
b) Majid finds out the girl is Mubeena`s daughter and Mubeena had been divorced many years ago and marries her
c) Majid finds out the ``guy`` on the other end is actually is Mubeena`s Son.
d) or Majid finds out the ``guy`` on the other end is ACTUALLY his son that Mubeena had, and never told him about...;-)
If you want to address sex and sexuality, please be bold, and go ``where no man has gone before``. Sex is serious business Nafisa, and Karachi`s pre pubescent under ground scene is a far cry from it. Any way good wishes and I hope you attempt sex again with a different angle.
Oh the mother of all paybacks !!!...;-) LOL, ...sorry Nafisa but the construct seems a little manufactured. You baseline with Mubeena`s scenario and you conclude with Majid`s reality, both are identical. You treat both Paap & P`oo`UN the same.
And you didn`t give us the moral of the story ;-)
Hypothetically, Majid, with all his apparent good looks, charm, and experience is a Jack Ass who aggrees to marry a 21 old...:-) well how about an alternative, Mubeena gives birth to a child which belongs to Majid as the result of their one night together, she moves to states unknown to Majid,
a) Majid discovers the wife to be is Mubeena`s daughter and gets the reality check there
b) Majid finds out the girl is Mubeena`s daughter and Mubeena had been divorced many years ago and marries her
c) Majid finds out the ``guy`` on the other end is actually is Mubeena`s Son.
d) or Majid finds out the ``guy`` on the other end is ACTUALLY his son that Mubeena had, and never told him about...;-)
If you want to address sex and sexuality, please be bold, and go ``where no man has gone before``. Sex is serious business Nafisa, and Karachi`s pre pubescent under ground scene is a far cry from it. Any way good wishes and I hope you attempt sex again with a different angle.
#38 Posted by temporal on August 7, 2001 11:15:27 am
nafisa:
...welcome to chowk...please continue sharing your work...
bina #2 and Waheed #37...both of you on the money!
lve,
t
...welcome to chowk...please continue sharing your work...
bina #2 and Waheed #37...both of you on the money!
lve,
t
#39 Posted by rozaiba on August 7, 2001 2:06:58 pm
Nafisa, i was able to find the conversation of characters in your piece believable though some have said they sounded outlandish.
I also liked the conclusion as it was. keep writing.
scout:
`baychara majid`. sleazebag majid. calling the prospective groon an uncle. those were all funny.
I also liked the conclusion as it was. keep writing.
scout:
`baychara majid`. sleazebag majid. calling the prospective groon an uncle. those were all funny.
#40 Posted by scout on August 7, 2001 2:06:58 pm
Shah #36,
You`re NOT getting my point. The couples you mentioned apparently ``fell in love`` and then got married.
I`m talking about older men who set about giving proposals to younger girls families....taking advantage of the traditional arranged marriage system.
You`re NOT getting my point. The couples you mentioned apparently ``fell in love`` and then got married.
I`m talking about older men who set about giving proposals to younger girls families....taking advantage of the traditional arranged marriage system.
#41 Posted by nasah on August 7, 2001 2:06:58 pm
Dear writer:
In order to prove a valid point -- indeed a great punch line -- you don`t have to stretch the limits of incredulity in your writing -- even if it is a fiction -- which I don`t think it is.
Even in this land of ``sin and pleasure`` ie USA -- no ``sopisticated bomshell`` will ever dare to ask a male the question ``will you sleep with me`` -- only a hooker will.
In order to prove a valid point -- indeed a great punch line -- you don`t have to stretch the limits of incredulity in your writing -- even if it is a fiction -- which I don`t think it is.
Even in this land of ``sin and pleasure`` ie USA -- no ``sopisticated bomshell`` will ever dare to ask a male the question ``will you sleep with me`` -- only a hooker will.
#42 Posted by Ras Siddiqui on August 7, 2001 2:47:58 pm
I wonder who will write their story?
From Rediff today...
Lovers hanged to death in UP
A 20-year-old youth and his 18-year-old beloved, belonging to different castes, were hanged to death by their parents in the presence of hundreds of residents at a village in Muzaffarnagar district of Uttar Pradesh, police said on Tuesday.
District police chief B S Moriya said Vishal and Sonu were brought to the roof of a house and hanged one after the other at Alipur village on Monday night.
The girl`s parents and the boy`s elder brother and sister-in-law were witnesses to the hanging, he said.
Sonu and Vishal had been in love for some time and were asked by their families to stop meeting each other, Moriya said.
The entire village was also opposed to the affair, he added.
Relations between the two families soured because of the caste factor. Sonu was a Jat while Vishal was a Brahmin.
The police arrested the parents of the girl and the brother and sister-in-law of the boy on the charge of murder.
Moriya said firearm licences of the villagers had been suspended for remaining mute spectators to the cold-blooded murder.
PTI
#43 Posted by scout on August 7, 2001 9:55:01 pm
STUKA #42, ``Hun Scout nu vekho, munda millan aaya tey unnu Uncle bulaya...Mundey kee kariye??``
Munda nahi Buddha
rozaiba #39,
should i say thank u to that :)
Munda nahi Buddha
rozaiba #39,
should i say thank u to that :)
#44 Posted by rsaxena on August 7, 2001 9:55:01 pm
The ugly-old-bald-pervert + pretty-young-girl combo is common in the US as well. Peek into the shops on 5th ave and you`ll see it. Only difference is that in the US it is voluntary whereas elsewhere it may be arranged and not completely voluntary.
In the US it is usually driven by old man`s desire for a trophy wife and young girl`s desire for a sugar daddy (big wallet). But who`s to stop people from doing what pleases them...
In the US it is usually driven by old man`s desire for a trophy wife and young girl`s desire for a sugar daddy (big wallet). But who`s to stop people from doing what pleases them...
#45 Posted by dullabhatti on August 7, 2001 9:55:01 pm
Case of Saira Bano and Zeta Jones is different. Both were independent women on their own feet and made the choices because they liked the guys. In case of our Mubeena, Ammi and Abbu declared the engagement and she does not seem to like the guy at all.
#46 Posted by Shah on August 7, 2001 9:55:01 pm
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#47 Posted by tahmed321 on August 7, 2001 9:55:01 pm
Ras Siddiqui #43 Every instinct of a parent is to protect and nourish the child. What is it that causes a parent to hang his own child because he disapproves of the choice of marriage partner by the child? The only realistic explanation I can think of is fear for the future of the other children. The next question then is: Why this fear? I think the ultimate explanation has to do with poverty (girls not getting married off). Someone once said that the biggest crime of poverty is that it steals childhood from the children. I think there are additional crimes too: stealing parental instincts from the parent being the illustrated in this case.
Let us pray to God that we can get these damn GNP growth rates moving in South Asia and free people from the horrors that poverty confronts them with every day.
Let us pray to God that we can get these damn GNP growth rates moving in South Asia and free people from the horrors that poverty confronts them with every day.
#48 Posted by princes on August 7, 2001 11:44:32 pm
It`s such a shame that guys and girls like this exist...they short-change themselves in the long-term, for the short-term.
SEX: It`s more than the STD`s, unwanted pregnancies...it`s the spiritual quality that self-discipline provides. It`s an investment in oneself, made for another person too.
As muslims lose that which makes them unique (their spiritual discipline) in an attempt to become more like everyone else (American?) they are doing something very ``un-American``--they are no longer unique. riff raff like everyone else. American Pie. i couldn`t be bothered.
Unfortunately, where does that leave a person like me? I`m ``scared`` to chose a muslim wife, because i`d be crushed to find out she was unfaithful although I was. And here I was saving myself for a muslimah, when there are many non-Muslims with more discipline/ religiousity/ commonsense who I`ve bypassed! In that sense, the latter are far more ``muslim``...
I`m not really shocked though...Allah rewards everyone fairly in the end. But I can see the tragedy unfolding..
SEX: It`s more than the STD`s, unwanted pregnancies...it`s the spiritual quality that self-discipline provides. It`s an investment in oneself, made for another person too.
As muslims lose that which makes them unique (their spiritual discipline) in an attempt to become more like everyone else (American?) they are doing something very ``un-American``--they are no longer unique. riff raff like everyone else. American Pie. i couldn`t be bothered.
Unfortunately, where does that leave a person like me? I`m ``scared`` to chose a muslim wife, because i`d be crushed to find out she was unfaithful although I was. And here I was saving myself for a muslimah, when there are many non-Muslims with more discipline/ religiousity/ commonsense who I`ve bypassed! In that sense, the latter are far more ``muslim``...
I`m not really shocked though...Allah rewards everyone fairly in the end. But I can see the tragedy unfolding..
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