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The Virgin Bride

Nafisa Haji August 4, 2001

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#1 Posted by Ras Siddiqui on August 5, 2001 1:25:54 pm


Welcome to CHOWK Nafisa.
Enjoyed this writing very much.
We need more such work here.
CHOWK sometimes gets too political (I`m a part of
the guilty party).
It`s always great to get back to basics.

Ras

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#2 Posted by Bina on August 6, 2001 6:32:25 am
Although kids in Karachi don`t really talk the way you`ve described in the beginning dialogue (sounds very American, and I don`t mean ``wassup yo yo yo``), this is a very brave and sophisticated piece of writing. Let`s have a little bit of info about you, unless you`re hiding from the wrath of uncles and aunties who will no doubt be horrified at this piece. Well done!

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#3 Posted by Bijli on August 6, 2001 9:00:02 am
The author is a woman,so it cant be wild imagination of preadolescence.To blame it on upper class or Convent education is hiding somthing.I dont think a rich family is necessarily more sexually promiscuous than a lower income one.In fact if push comes to shove ,it can be argued that poor families can be enticed with material more .

What about abstenence ,if Pakistan learns fron the west ,then there are stricter Catholic schools than grammar schools of Pakistan ,or abstence as a viable possibility is already being actively practiced in mormon of utah,many roman catholic groups etc.etc.

My last question would be to young Nafisa, & quiet few other writers like Zehra & Samina ,who have also delved with sexually explicit subjects including watching porno & masterbating..WHY ?Isnt some topics left for private conversation.Is it that young girls who want to write only know to use there sexuality in daily life as also in everything including writing.Is the mind contain nothing else than raging hormones.

Biologically it is still possible to be NOT sexually active at 17 or more ,the proof of which is how behaviour has changed even in permissive society since the stark reality of AIDs .Teen pregnancy ,NOT TO SPEAK OF HUDOOD law of pakistan.

So do what ever you want ,dont blame/or justify through the west or scietific progress ,what is essentially moral degradation & not any progress or advancement ,no matter how many pAkistanis manage to get here by various means.



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#4 Posted by Bijli on August 6, 2001 9:00:02 am
The author is a woman,so it cant be wild imagination of preadolescence.To blame it on upper class or Convent education is hiding somthing.I dont think a rich family is necessarily more sexually promiscuous than a lower income one.In fact if push comes to shove ,it can be argued that poor families can be enticed with material more .

What about abstenence ,if Pakistan learns fron the west ,then there are stricter Catholic schools than grammar schools of Pakistan ,or abstence as a viable possibility is already being actively practiced in mormon of utah,many roman catholic groups etc.etc.

My last question would be to young Nafisa, & quiet few other writers like Zehra & Samina ,who have also delved with sexually explicit subjects including watching porno & masterbating..WHY ?Isnt some topics left for private conversation.Is it that young girls who want to write only know to use there sexuality in daily life as also in everything including writing.Is the mind contain nothing else than raging hormones.

Biologically it is still possible to be NOT sexually active at 17 or more ,the proof of which is how behaviour has changed even in permissive society since the stark reality of AIDs .Teen pregnancy ,NOT TO SPEAK OF HUDOOD law of pakistan.

So do what ever you want ,dont blame/or justify through the west or scietific progress ,what is essentially moral degradation & not any progress or advancement ,no matter how many pAkistanis manage to get here by various means.



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#5 Posted by hobbyty on August 6, 2001 9:00:02 am


Patrice with out Lucienne -

Did Majid ever have any relationships with women that did more for him than grow hair on his chest? Was he ever in love with anybody? Now he wanted children - but with her? Was she a baby factory then? In the 20 years after Mubeena, he seemed to have stop growing emotionally.

Did he emotionally internalize that he was 37 and she wasn`t even thirty? for 25 or 22?

Did Majid understand that his wife had a life before Majid came into the picture? Now that he became aware of his wife`s emotional life, Would he accept it and get past it? Will he begin to grow up? Will he fall in love with his wife? And what of his nameless bride? why did she consent? why did she give up on her lover? Why? Why? Why?

For how much longer will Pakistani men and women find utility in harmful attitudes and customs which bring with them needless pain and shame?

For how much longer will Western ``whores`` be the object of our hostility, rejection and humiliation?

Ms. Haji, this was such fun to read, so much here I can personally relate to - Women will, and should, always remain mysteries; as close and intimate as one may be with them, one is always mindful even as one can`t resist the attraction of that fathomless quality.



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#6 Posted by moidalam on August 6, 2001 9:00:02 am
how about naming this article as ``The Virgin Adultress``???



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#7 Posted by Studebaker on August 6, 2001 9:00:02 am
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#8 Posted by omody on August 6, 2001 9:00:02 am


I really enjoyed the piece. It was so good that I actually registered to let you know that you did a wonderful job.



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#9 Posted by dullabhatti on August 6, 2001 9:00:02 am
aissey lai te siyaane kehnday ne shadi ch dair nahi karni chahidi.



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#10 Posted by scout on August 6, 2001 9:00:02 am
bechara Majid



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#11 Posted by Bijli on August 6, 2001 9:00:02 am
The author is a woman,so it cant be wild imagination of preadolescence.To blame it on upper class or Convent education is hiding somthing.I dont think a rich family is necessarily more sexually promiscuous than a lower income one.In fact if push comes to shove ,it can be argued that poor families can be enticed with material more .

What about abstenence ,if Pakistan learns fron the west ,then there are stricter Catholic schools than grammar schools of Pakistan ,or abstence as a viable possibility is already being actively practiced in mormon of utah,many roman catholic groups etc.etc.

My last question would be to young Nafisa, & quiet few other writers like Zehra & Samina ,who have also delved with sexually explicit subjects including watching porno & masterbating..WHY ?Isnt some topics left for private conversation.Is it that young girls who want to write only know to use there sexuality in daily life as also in everything including writing.Is the mind contain nothing else than raging hormones?.

Biologically it is still possible to be NOT sexually active at 17 or more ,the proof of which is how behaviour has changed even in permissive society since the stark reality of AIDs .Teen pregnancy ,NOT TO SPEAK OF HUDOOD law of pakistan.

So do what ever you want ,dont blame/or justify through the west or scietific progress ,what is essentially moral degradation & not any progress or advancement ,no matter how many pAkistanis manage to get here by various means.



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#12 Posted by tahmed321 on August 6, 2001 9:00:02 am
Having zipped through this lengthy article faster than one unzips the fly in the men`s room in an emergency, I was ready to move on. But then I noticed the commeuppance for our hero at the end, and went back and re-zipped through the article a bit more slowly. There is no doubt a breed of men like this one who have a single-minded pursuit of immediate pleasure. They think a visa to the US is a ticket to these pleasures. Unless they are smart enough to understand soon enough that the laws of nature (you get what you give) are the same in the US as in Pakistan, they end up driving cabs.



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#13 Posted by nasah on August 6, 2001 9:00:02 am
A Pakistani virgin girl asking a Pakistani virgin boy:

``I do have a favor to ask.``

“Sleep with me, Majid,” her eyes were deadly serious as she spoke the words``

Wow!





“Sleep with me, Majid,” her eyes were deadly serious as she spoke the words.



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#14 Posted by Syed Ahmed on August 6, 2001 6:10:53 pm

As I have reiterated before there should be an adolescent section on the chowk - where this could be appreciated.......
Overt sexuality does little to hold a story together....

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#15 Posted by Neptune on August 6, 2001 8:25:35 pm
Bijli # 3,4,13

We all got it the first time.



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#16 Posted by Ravi2 on August 6, 2001 8:25:35 pm
Sleep with me, Majid

It’s you I need inside of me

can`t see desi gals saying such stuff.

Wonder if Imran Khan reads Chowk articles !!!!!



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