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Reply Jazbati #38

Jazbatiji

“[Indians have] A complex that arises from the ``reality`` of Pakistan, that exists, and inshaALLAH will exist until QIYAMAH.”

Before interacting with many Pakistanis on Chowk I had (like many Indians) believed that Pakistanis and Indians are fundamentally the same. After interacting here, I find I must modify my belief. We are significantly different from each other. Even if two nations did not exist before 1947, they do exist now.

So please accept my sincere best wishes for your country’s future.

“Good or bad, in ramshackle condition or miserable is not the point. IT EXISTS, only to haunt you all of the fact that Muslims, with the miracle of Allah the ALmighty succeeded in getting themselves a homeland.”

On the other hand, why do you need to imply that Indian Muslims don’t have a homeland in India when stating how proud you are of Pakistan?

Pakistan has been around for more than fifty years, it’s not going to disappear any time soon. Surely you no longer need to beat the fictitious “homeland for Muslims” dead horse any longer? Bangladeshis don’t do that to justify their nationhood, and they have a country which is younger than yours. How is it that they are so much more self assured and dignified about their patriotism?

Zafar

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WHEN THE FOX IS MADE TO GUARD THE CHICKEN COUP .

BJP Vice PREsIDENT ``zabardasti``KEEPS ON BLAMING MUSLIMS FOR DAMAGE NOT CAUSED BY THEM ACCORDING TO POLICE CHIEF PANDE

Online edition of India`s National Newspaper

Monday, August 27, 2001

Fundamentalists behind violence: Khurana

By Our Special Correspondent

AHMEDABAD, AUG. 26. The BJP national vice-president, Mr. Madanlal Khurana, who is in-charge of Gujarat affairs, today accused ``fundamentalists`` of deliberately creating the disturbances in Ahmedabad by giving ``communal and political colour to a non- issue``.

Even as the Ahmedabad city Police Commissioner, Mr P.C. Pande, said that a portion of a place of worship was damaged by a police vehicle while negotiating a turn, Mr. Khurana told mediapersons that it was damaged by fundamentalist elements. Stating that the Police Commissioner was ``no judge to decide the truth``, Mr. Khurana said the facts would be known only after the report of the intelligence bureau inquiry, ordered by the Chief Minister, Mr. Keshubhai Patel.

He said the intelligence bureau would inquire about the elements behind the pamphlets in the name of ``Muslim Traders Association`` accusing the Bajrang Dal activists of attacking the Muslim vendors for refusing to contribute for the Ganesh Mahotsava. Claiming that the Dal activists were not involved in the attack, Mr. Khurana said the ``fundamentalists`` blew the incident out of proportion to give it communal and political colour and issued a bandh call.

Curfew relaxed

Meanwhile, the situation in the Dariapur locality remained peaceful and the two-hour curfew relaxation given this evening for women and children passed off without any untoward incident. The police denied rumours that a person wounded in stabbing in Kalupur locality on Friday died in hospital today.

Mr. Khurana is here in connection with the Sabarmati Assembly and the Sabarkantha Lok Sabha byelections scheduled for September 20.

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Online edition of India`s National Newspaper

Monday, August 27, 2001

By Our Special Correspondent

AHMEDABAD, AUG. 26. The BJP national vice-president, Mr. Madanlal Khurana, who is in-charge of Gujarat affairs, today accused ``fundamentalists`` of deliberately creating the disturbances in Ahmedabad by giving ``communal and political colour to a non- issue``.

Even as the Ahmedabad city Police Commissioner, Mr P.C. Pande, said that a portion of a place of worship was damaged by a police vehicle while negotiating a turn, Mr. Khurana told mediapersons that it was damaged by fundamentalist elements. Stating that the Police Commissioner was ``no judge to decide the truth``, Mr. Khurana said the facts would be known only after the report of the intelligence bureau inquiry, ordered by the Chief Minister, Mr. Keshubhai Patel.

He said the intelligence bureau would inquire about the elements behind the pamphlets in the name of ``Muslim Traders Association`` accusing the Bajrang Dal activists of attacking the Muslim vendors for refusing to contribute for the Ganesh Mahotsava. Claiming that the Dal activists were not involved in the attack, Mr. Khurana said the ``fundamentalists`` blew the incident out of proportion to give it communal and political colour and issued a bandh call.

Curfew relaxed

Meanwhile, the situation in the Dariapur locality remained peaceful and the two-hour curfew relaxation given this evening for women and children passed off without any untoward incident. The police denied rumours that a person wounded in stabbing in Kalupur locality on Friday died in hospital today.

Mr. Khurana is here in connection with the Sabarmati Assembly and the Sabarkantha Lok Sabha byelections scheduled for September 20.

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Jazbaa:#64

``Dil sey shauque e rukh e nukoo naa gayaa

taaknaa jhaanknaa kabhhoo naa gayaa``

Khush raho.Murd kee aankh kaa dumm subb sey aakhir mey nikalta hai.Muzhdaa ho,key yeh silsilaa kabhee khatam naa ho gaa.

Hum sey gavaahee lailo.

to kyaa iba karachi mein thay?--humm bhee vahaan javaani barbaad kar chukau haiN.buss ubb ziadaa munh naa khulvaaO varnaa tumharay ubba maraingay(tumhain) key kinn badmaash budhhon kee sohbat mein purr gayaa.

WASSALAAM.

shukriya shaikh sahab mythsmoke

the comment was recieved with relief. of late most people have been showing us the `` how to `` of `` cut & paste `` on this forum.

good to know that you miss the dil pasand chaat, student key biriyaani, sabris nehari and the neighbors daughter...i miss the last one the most, she was damn good looking wasnt she?:)..i bet she is here in america, so i might as well be on the look out. wasiay jo maza traditional TAANKA JHAANKEY mai hai, woh `maaadren` mating habits mai kahaan...women have become easy these days, or so i think, but before i catch someone`s wrath, i will avoid this topic for now. will have something coming soon, so be on the lookout

waisay, ``iba`` nay kuch sikhaya ho ya na ho aik cheez tau aa geyey hai: buk buk karna

miss ya all, especially the iba kilaas of 97

( not 98!!)

take care and hey there is a student biriyani in FLUSHING newyork, havent been there, tum aao tau daikhtay hain

Pakistan Zindabad...lets do the picknick in december

Allah haafiz

Acerbic Jazbati ,,, khaali jazbati bhi chalay ga!

hmm......let me elucidate on what i miss in pakistan...

- bundu khan

- dil pasand chaat

- shaam ki chai..on the roof....peeping at the

neighbour`s daughter

- students biryaani

- sabir`s nihari

the rest is just grammatical masturbation....somebody or the other will fix it...show me a messiah and i will follow him

aur jazbaati sahib..iba ney kuch zyada sikha diya hai aapko....

NOTE TO DELUDED YOUNG BRATS

For information of deluded &under the wrong impression of feeling worthwhile just on there ability of `key board skills` you have no idea how much more is needed in life besides `hand eye cordination `that you assume is the ultimate .Besides younger you are the better your REFLEXES are .

So those who criticize my spelling ,its not that you know BETTER english its just that we wrote with pens most of our lives & then dictated to our dictaphones.

Dear Shakir:

#56

Thanks for posting Anwar Abbasi column. Now that is a REAL investigative reporting.

This brazen nepotism in appointments is ironic for the Musharraf government which claims to be fighting corruption to justify its existence.

This news item may be of some relevance to the double standard in corruption.

((RAWALPINDI, Aug 23: The Prosecution Witnesses presented the relevant record in former Speaker National Assembly Yousaf Raza Gilani`s case in the Accountability Court today.

The Prosecution Witnesses in their statements confirmed that illegal appointments were made by the accused during his tenure.))

Question: when Messiah Musharraf will be brought before the NAB court - paba jolaaN -- folks?

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FOR WHOM THE BELL ,NO, THE YELL HOWLS

Maulana Razi, a leader of Jaish-i-Mohammad, said: ``Fund-raising for jihad is Sunnat. We are working for the glory of Islam and the Kashmir cause. We will not remove the boxes and signboards as the government`s move is merely an attempt to please western powers.`` He said the leaders of Muttahida Jihad Council would hold talks with the government on the issue.

The Lashkar-i-Taiba`s Information Secretary Imran Alam blamed the government for ``appeasing the western powers`` by imposing a ban on jihadi outfits to collect donations or install signboards outside their offices.

``We can remove the boxes placed at public places for fund- raising and if the government removes the signboards from our office, we will not resist as people desiring to donate will keep extending financial support to the jihadi outfits

THE ABOVE IS FROM DAWN OF TODAY. If mushy is after MQM in the guise of stopping terrorism, it is fine. But lasker e toiba is a different kettle of fish, no, mutton. It should be the beginning of the end, a shaheen in the making.

Reply MaheshG #443

Mashallah MaheshG, we should all thank you for helping this intellectual nova light up the dark night of our lives here on Chowk. Till now we were largely restricted to the dull and prosaic, we were limited by the humdrum and everyday, but now, lo, imagination combines with....Thank you, thank you, thank you! God is Great.

www.saharaforlife.org

Is this not a scandal?

By Ansar Abbasi

ISLAMABAD: While there are no big corruption scandals of the Musharraf Government so far, one that would come precariously close is the huge party going on in all the ministries to appoint friends and favourites as consultants, over 210 already identified, and the count goes on.

The redeeming factor, though, may be that President and Chief Executive Pervez Musharraf is not fully aware of the complete picture as yet as his secretariat was still trying to gather, at least until a few weeks back, the details of how many ministries had appointed how many consultants and at what cost. But his test would lie in what he does about the situation.

The 211 consultants, mostly getting huge salaries, counted so far were all engaged by various ministries and divisions. Those employed by the NRB, NAB, the Chief Executive`s Secretariat itself and the Presidency are yet to be accounted for.

``These appointments depict a very sorry picture of financial discipline and show the generosity of those at the helm of affairs with which the public money is distributed amongst favourites as bounty,`` an observer of the situation commented.

A vast majority of the consultants have been appointed purely on personal liking, pick and choose basis and without advertising the consultancies. Mostly the ministers and the top bureaucrats offered the ``bounty`` to their friends, acquaintances and relatives. In some cases commissions and kickbacks are also alleged.

One of the ministers even recently publicly admitted to offering consultancies to her friends. A few ministries have gone so deep into this trend that they are engaging consultant after consultant. Communications ministry tops the list but is ironically followed by the finance division, which professes to teach financial discipline to others.

Figures available with the Chief Executive Secretariat show that the communication ministry alone engaged 61 consultants followed by 29 by the finance division. The other ministries/divisions that have engaged a large number of consultants include education division 18; revenue division 17; privatisation 14; commerce division 13; industries and production 13; cabinet division 11; water and power 8.

Perturbed over the situation, the Chief Executive Secretariat recently inquired as to how such a huge number of consultants were engaged, that too without seeking prior approval of the chief executive. The Chief Executive Secretariat also set up a high-level committee to review these appointments besides streamlining them in the future. Analysts say by hiring such a huge number of consultants, it appears the Musharraf Government has sub-let the process of governance to paid experts, some of whom may not even be qualified for the big bucks they are receiving.

The following is the horrifying picture of these friends and favourites hired by the government: Ministry of Housing and Works: Legal consultant Sheikh Saeed Ahmed offered Rs 50,000 per month.

Finance Division: M/S Princewaterhouse Coopers offered US $3.9 million; Khalid Siraj offered US $4,000 per month; MA Jabbar, Rs 60,000 p/m; Ms Zia Batool, 60,000 p/m; Asad Aleem, 60,000 p/m; Rashid Nadeem, Rs 60,000 p/m; Dr Ehsanul Haq, Rs 4,875,000; Dr Zafar Iqbal Cheema, Rs 4,415,000; Dr Anjum Nasim, Rs 4,507,000; Dr Ali Cheema, Rs 4,766,000; Masood Aziz, Rs 4,000,000; Sidat Hyder Murshed, Rs 2,500,000; Syed Haroon Rashid, 57150 p/m; Imran Inayat Butt, Rs 45,000 p/m; Ashraf Awan, Rs 33,000 p/m; Nasim Malik, Rs 75,000 p/m; Saquib Mohyuddin, Rs 125,000 p/m; Bakhtiar A Sayyed, Rs 65,000 p/m; Ms Alyia Agha, Rs 100,000 p/m; SM Masood and Co, Rs 75,000 p/m; Khurshid A Khair, Rs 150,000; Sultan Ahmad Khan, Rs 125,000; M/S Communications Research Strategies, Rs 150,000 p/m; Dr Tariq Hassan offered maximum MP-I package; and Syed Shahid Hussain, Javed Ahmad Noel, Fateh M Chaudhry, Saeed Hamad Qureshi and Dr Pervaiz Hasan all apparently working on honorary basis.

(Those working on honorary basis have been a burden on government finances for many reasons like Syed Shahid Hussain who have been offered more than six club class US return tickets)

Ministry of Industries: John Hagestdat US$ 20,183 per month; Dr Peter Brimble, $19,910 p/m; Douglas Lucius, $ 10,465 p/m; Miss Lim Pao Li, $14,950 p/m; Mumtaz Abdullah, $ 1,955 p/m; Ghulam Mustafa, $ 1,955 p/m; Syed Javed Iqbal, $ 2,128 p/m; Hafeezur Rehman, $ 2,300 p/m; Akbar Khan, $2,300 p/m; Abdul Hafeez Sheikh, $ 2,128 p/m; Basharat Qadir, $2,300; Sultan Muhammad Tanoli (package not indicated) and MA Jabbar, pay equivalent to BS 20.

Cabinet Division: Syed Javed Naseem, Rs 86,000 p/m; Ahmed Attaur Rehman, Rs 103,680; Abdur Rashid Kakar, Rs 4000 per day; Bashir Ahmad Abbasi, Rs 4000 per day; Muhammad Aslam Ch, Rs 4000 per day; Faryad H Malik, Rs 4000 per day; Dr SM Bhutta, Rs 118,627; Hussain Zaigham Alvi, Rs 97,055; Dr Khaqan A Khan, Rs 67,710; M Ali Saif, Rs 75,000; and Insaf Ahmed, Rs 60,000.

Ministry of Commerce: KK Suri, Rs 40,000 per month; Rashid Salahuddin, Rs 50,000 p/m; Mamnoon Hassan, Rs 20,000 p/m; Jamil Erickrada (not indicated); Javed H Agha, Rs 375,000; M/s System Nine Thousand Pvt Ltd, Rs 30,000 p/m; M/s Abbas F Pota and Associates, on case to case basis; Yousaf Adil Salim & Co, Rs 30,000 p/m; Dr Zubair Khan, UK £ 13,455 p/m; David Mueller, £ 12,334 p/m; Akhtar Mahmood, £ 3,160 p/m; Zahir Riaz, £ 3,020 p/m; and Sami Saggu, £ 2,810 p/m.

Ministry of Privatisation: Dr Mateen Tohbani, Rs 210,000 p/m; M Asghar, Rs 135,000 p/m; Aamir Qawi, Rs 100,000 p/m; Karim Nayani, Rs 100,000 p/m; Shahid Akbar, Rs 90,000 p/m; Syed Mansoor Hussain, Rs 80,000 p/m; Abdul Ahad Effendi, Rs 65,000 p/m; Manzoor A Malik, Rs 65,000 p/m; Farhan Malik, Rs 60,000 p/m; M Umar Shereef, Rs 60,000 p/m; Haroon Ahmed Malik, Rs 450,000 p/m; Abdul Hafeez Rana, Rs 42,000 p/m; Javed Hussain, Rs 40,000 p/m; Kalim Ilyas, Rs 35,000 p/m; and M Sadiq, Rs 30,000 p/m.

Revenue Division: Sultanul Haq Safavi, Mushtaq Ahmad and Akhtar Ali have been offered MP-III while the division did not indicate as to what does it offer to its foreign and local consultants including Roy Jackson, Adrian Strain, Alan Morely, Vivienne Davies, Roy Lloyed, Ashir Ahmad, SM Khan, SM Sadiq, Javed H Agha, Imtiaz Ahmad Khan, Shahab Mumtaz; Muhammad Muzammil, Abrar Hussain Naqvi and Mubin Ahsan.

Ministry of Education: Prof. Laeeq Ahmed Khan, Rs 30,000 p/m; Col (retired) M Sadiq, Rs 30,000 p/m; Mehboob Elahi, Rs 30,000 p/m; Dr MSK Shibli, Rs 25,000 p/m; M Ahmad Zaidi, Rs 12,000 p/m; Dr M Mian Siddiqi, Rs 15,000; Dr Mehmoodur Rehman, Rs 12,000 p/m; Dr Khalilur Rehman, Rs 20,000 p/m; Harold Jonathan, Rs 18,000 p/m; Prof Fateh M Malik, Rs 25,000 p/m; Anwarul Haq, Rs 12,000 p/m; Abdul Karim, Rs 6812 p/m; Ms Dareema Rehman, Rs 6000 p/m; Peter Howe, Aus$ 259875; Munir Ahmad, M Hashim Abbasi and Mrs Razia Abbas were offered Rs 112,218 respectively.

Economic Affairs Division: Makhdoom H Chaudhry, Rs 35,000 per month; Kashif Zafar, Rs 276,000; while package of Mrs Kasuar Iqbal and Eaba Abdul Rahim is not indicated.

Kashmir Affairs Division has only one consultant, namely Brig (retired) Bashir Hussain whose package is not indicated. Defence Production Division: Lt Col (retired) Sajid Majeed Bhatti, consultant in BS 19; Sardar M Anwar, BS-19; and M/s JBA Karachi, Rs 500,000 as consultancy fee and Rs 350,000 as boarding/lodging.

Ministry of Water and Power: The ministry has engaged eight consultancy firms for its different projects but did not indicate the amount offered to them. Ministry of Communication: In the National Highway Authority the consultants are Farrukh Karim Qureshi, Rs 65,000 per month; packages of Pakistan Motorway consultant, M/S EGC/ACE and M/S NESPAK not indicated;

M/S Riaz Ahmad & Co, Rs 3,500,660; M/S Ford Rhode Robson Morrow, Rs 2,000,000; M/S Ford Rhode Robson Morrow, on hourly basis at rates prescribed by ICAP; M/S Citibank, on fee of US$ 48,000 and a man hour schedule with the lowest being $ 600 and highest $1000; M/S Citibank, on fee of US$ 22,500 and a man hour schedule with the lowest being $ 600 and highest $ 1000; M/S S Zafar Shah, hourly rate ranging from Rs 100-2000; M/S ABN-Amro, Rs 12,000 per hour with a cap of Rs 1,000,000; NESPAK, Rs 30,645,602; REMCO JV EA, Rs 2,055,275; NESPAK, Rs 4,080,000; Loya Associates, Rs 4,210,000; NESPAK, Rs 30,847,480; ACC, Rs 31,749,917; LRA Group, Rs 63,060,500; Technoconsultants, Rs 6,306,700; EGC, Rs 8,064,563; Iqbal Haq associates, Rs 2,340,000; ACC, Rs 131,880; NESPAK, Rs 1,800,000; REC, Rs 390,000; REC, Rs 400,000; Engineering consultant, Rs 315,000; DD&C, Rs 531,030; ACC, Rs 296,807; SAMPAK, Rs 705,000; Lt Col (retired) M Iqbal, Rs 2,610,000; ACE Transportation, Rs 844,964; NESPAK, Rs 2,692,000; ACC, Rs 224,400; PEAL, Rs 2,761,640; ACE Transportation, Rs 2,535,000; AA Associates, Rs 1,300,000; ESS Associates, Rs 42,250; EGC, Rs 295,000; DD&C, Rs 1,733,750; Loya Associates, Rs 984,000; PRAL, Rs 14,000,000; PIN, Rs 145,000; NUST, Rs 2,000,000; PRC, Rs 75,886; Freeman Fox, Rs 96,689; DCIL, Rs 35,543; Kamsax, Rs 28,741; Mc KEE Associates, Rs 12,612; Engg. Consultants, Rs 39,494; ACC, Rs 34, 450; Kamsax international, Rs 21,851; NESPAK, Rs 17,334; Loya Associates, Rs 17,334; AA Associates, Rs 26,928; Kamsax international, Rs 19,145; Louis Berger, Rs 4,464; Wilbersmith, Rs 4,569; and Riaz & Co, Rs 5,232.

The consultants engaged by Port Qasim Authority of the communication ministry include M/s Posford Decevivier etc, Rs 17.4 million; M/s Engineering consultants etc., Rs 17.6 million; M/s National Engineering Services, Rs 8.437 million, Rs 0.15 million, Rs 1.5 million, Rs 0.456 million and Rs 597 million respectively for different projects; M/s Loya Associates, Rs 0.37 million; M/S AA Associates, Rs 1.976 million; M/S Associated consulting engineers, Rs 1.347 million; M/s Techno consult, Rs 1.552 million; and M/s Marine consultant, Rs 0.019 million.

Ministry of Information and Media Development: Sohail Hashmi, Rs 80,000 p/m; Burhanuddin Hassan, Rs 50,000 p/m; Nisar Ahmad, Rs 460 per day; and M Hanif, Rs 12,000 p/m.

Population Ministry: Aurangzeb Khan offered Rs 45,000 pm.

Statistic Division: Only consultant Ludo Vico Karraro is not indicated.

Establishment Division: Consultant Justice (retired) Shah Abdur Rashid gets Rs 5000 per month.

Petroleum Ministry: SM Zafarullah and Abdur Razzak is also not indicated.

Interior Division: SAM Wahidi, Rs 14,000 per month; M Rafiq Ahmed, Rs 15,000 p/m; and companies hired by NADRA (package not indicated).

Defence Division: Only consultant is Khalid Butt whose package is not indicated.

Science and Technology: Dr Manzoor Hussain Soomro, Rs 7000 per month; Dr Azra Sultana, Rs 25,000 p/m; Sheikh Mehmood Ahmed, Rs 30,000 p/m plus 3,583 as conveyance allowance; and Tariq Mustafa, Rs 100,000 p/m and TA/DA for a BS 22 officer under government rules.



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Some interesting news:

``Joint electorate system under consideration

ISLAMABAD (APP)–Minister for Local Governments and Rural Development, Omer Asghar Khan has said that government is considering a number of proposals to ensure more participatory role of all sections of society in its nation building endeavour.

“We plan to introduce electoral reforms. Number of national assembly seats may be increased on the basis of the recent census,” the Minister told BBC.

He said, “we are thinking over the introduction of joint electorate system as the minorities have a lot of concerns.” Furthermore he said, the seats for women in district council, national and provincial assemblies will be increased.`` (Nation, Pakistan)

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