Top Ten South Asian Pieces of Music

Shirin Ahmed #149:

[...Does anyone know of some good Desi poetry sites ? preferably in the Roman style ?...]

...try this one...the site is a little slow and probably needs some promotion...check out the bait baazi (antraakshri) there...

http://www.urdustan.com

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(ajnabi: apologize for using your board)

SameerJB:

...need some help with trans-creation this minor poem in punjabi...if it is ok...we can move to the speaker’s corner...keep the words simple...

...urdu suggestions also welcome...


LET ME BE

Leave me alone
need no peak
no valley
need no help
to confront
reflection.

why do gods
know this not
would be less
melancholy
less happy
more content
if they just
let me be.


...just a suggestion...

[...MENU CHUDDH DEY

chuddh dey yaar
menu ki karna
choti tey ...?]


love & rgds,

t

PS: TO CHOWK EDITORS

What happened to the rest of Shah of Chicago? Even ajnabi is musing!

Sameer, you are welcome. It is our pleasure to share our common interests with you. You certainly are a good student :). Music and flower are two best creations of God, so they do not have religion, and they are as much yours as mine. I learnt lot about Punjabi music, which I am not very familiar mostly because of language. Thank you for that.

Aamir

yes and if it wasnt for the loads of chocolate fudge&chai life would indeed have been a misery !

``I thaught i only worked that hard.`` - hmmmm given your presence here - working hard or hardly working??

aicha

dost_mittar#104
Thanks! I have that one, fortunately.

shima

I see you have mentioned Allo Allo - where did you see it ?? I ask this because feel American tastes arent that ready or refined for fallen madonnas ... & dickytiquers & ... so you couldnt have ...

Just curious but pls feel free to tell me to mind my own biz.

ps I avoid murky posts because I worry about losing my already tenuous grip on english

aicha

Dear zafar:

You`re right dhurpud is not monotonus or dull -- it`s only my impatience -- it does unfold rather too slowly -- and who has got that much time -- (poor excuse for poor taste, I know)-- you`re one lucky man -- got to listen to Dagar brothers on daily basis.

Dear Amit:

Thanks for the web site. What a treasury of Indian classical music!

Lately heard the rendition of that -- ``ka karoon sajni aiye na balam -- by Ajoy Chakarvarty -- what a fluid resonant voice -- captures the pathos of that celeberated thumri! -- goes two three octaves effortlessly -- another star on the horizon of classical music.

Dear Eklavya:

i wish someone will hammer your sentence -- ``our modern Indian civilization, as it exists today, is the shared product of a collective life in which all communities have participated`` -- on the head of the braindead members of the Hinduva parivar.

Great to see your posts. How are you doing my friend.

Dear sadna:

You are so right.

``At Partition, people migrated or didnot migrate according to their personal proclivities. We are lucky to be able to enjoy the efforts of those who managed to succeed and flourish, whether on one side of the border or another.``

Thank God -- between India and Pakistan -- at least -- there are no LOCs -- as far music is concerned.

Thanks Temporal,

However i knew of urdustan`s site. For the poets , it has a huge list of the Delhi poets , but i could not find their Kalam! I`ll look again.

love,

sa:)

Aamir

Well it definately is all about - quality of life, quality of your work, the motivation factor, how hyper/laidback one is, shortcuts (that may not be a good idea). However, if you feel you can do justice to the work at hand - after 72 hrs then by all means carry-on killing yourself!! I realise your q was more rhetorical in nature but will add - cant do more than 18-20 hrs at a stretch. No call of duty is worth the effort beyond that - in my humble opinion !!

aicha

Not ze vun wiz ze leetle svastikas?!!

I cannot believe my eyes! Two more cohorts of the `Allo, `Allo brigade. I have to confess - I was smitten with the same (and recorded each and every episode to boot!) I have to tell you this: My sister is a doctor in England, and she tells me that it was so popular that all the nurses would go around and at the opportune moment, they would tell the doctor or patient: ``Now lizzen vairy carfully - I vill zay zis only vunze ...!``

This has been the most informative discussion I’ve seen on Chowk.

I’ve had a couple of friends in their 40’s who in their younger years lived with classical musicians. Through them I was able to distinguish some differences in sound that would allow me to better appreciate classical music.

I have a childish query. Why is Asad Amanat Ali Khan not considered as good as his chacha Hamid Ali Khan? OK, so Hamid is simply better. But I’ve heard people say that ‘Asad is a fraud’. Does anyone know why? After reading the posts here, I did try out some of the selections including ‘umraan langyaan pabban phar’. I liked Asad’s ‘ghar vapis jab aao gay tum’. Unfortunately, my ears are not tuned yet to distinguish between what is genuine and that which may not be. I don’t see why some are critical of Asad’s skill. However, I can sense that Hamid Ali Khan is better.

Some of my favorite NFK pieces:

- Zayhaal-e-miskeen

- Sanu pul gaee khudai chana saree

- Main nivaan maira murshad ucha

- Man atkaya bay qadraan day naal

Some classical pieces:

- Maee nee main kinoun akhaan (all versions)

- Sohni gharray noun akhdee (Pathanay Khan)

- Lamakaan main ghar banaya yaar nain (Abida Parveen)

- Kishori Amonkar

What is the name of ‘style’ Kishori Amonkar sings in??

- Preetam Madhum (Abida Parveen)

Question about ‘Preetam Madham’: Who wrote the words for these songs? It is in hindi I think. Translation anyone?

Ghazals/fimli songs:

- yeh kaghzi phool jaisay chehray (mehdi hassan)

- mujhay duniya valoo (Mohammed Rafi)



these last two I classify as songs for left-wingers- very inspiring.

- kya aisay kam sukhan say (Runa Laila and lyrics by Ahmed Faraz)

- Mudat huee hay yaar ko (Noor Jehan)

- Mirza Ghalib (Jagjit Singh and Chitra Singh)

Another question:

A song by Abida Parveen : ‘ab yeh aankhain kissi taskeen say tabinda nahin, mainay raftaar say jana hai voh aa-aye ga nahin’.

Who are these lyrics by? Does anyone know which album this ghazal is found in?

PS) Please desist from mocking and underestimating the power of Junoon. Ali is a bad vocalist and the album ‘ishq’ may have been only half-good, but his and Salman Ahmed’s intensity, particularly in concerts, more than make up for everything.

Aicha, we were in Europe for few years where British sit-coms are quite popular. My most favorite was ``Keeping up Appearances``...Now ``Golden Girls`` will fail thousand times to the acting of Ms. Patricia Rouletge? (I forgot her last name).

You are right about US sit coms, although I like the old ones like Mary Tyler Moore, Dick Van Dyke, and I love Lucy, and Sienfeld would be one of the new ones.

Sridhar: ``Allo Allo`` was classic, based on the second world war backdrop, it was about a French Restauranter who helped the German Resistance by providing assistance to British Army and French civilians. The main character, Rene played by Gordon Banks?(anybody at Chowk) was just superb.

Again, sorry for the digression, but still we are talking about art, isn`t it?

Dost-Mittarji, I knew I was in wrong board about Rajinder Krishan, but you responded to Sadna in that board, so I also started, :) but the point was about Raja Mehendi Ali Khan.......

Reply to #165

rozaiba asks: ``Some classical pieces:- Kishori Amonkar What is the name of ‘style’ Kishori Amonkar sings in??``

The school she nominally comes from goes by the name Atrauli-Jaipur, after its founder Alladiya Khan (the world has seen v v few the likes of him) whose family originally came from Atrauli and later settled in Uniyara near Jaipur. However, Kishori Amonkar is no liege to blind tradition

and has developed a style that builds on her Atrauli-Jaipur background (inherited from her recently-deceased mother, Mogubai Kurdikar, among the greatest vocalists of the 20th C) and extends it by injecting `romantic` elements from other

styles.

tantralogician

Aamir - ``Although that was my highest record ,sort of bragging rights``

thought as much - but everyone is entitled to do so - a bit!

``No im no where overworked or tired ever by work alone``

You are v lucky to feel that way. But I guess not everyone can count on that happening. I have always felt in the eventuality of ones personal life tanking - they should have work to fall

back on.

Shima & MFarooqui & Rsridhar - My father would do the same - tape each episode religiously. Loved it! I believe Gordon Banks is nomore. He passed away in some freak accident. After taht the series

died a natural death. Mrs Bucket (Routledge -i think) is hilarious too!! There were some others taht were superb too - Open all Hours, Mind your language are some taht come to mind (courtesy my father again) - anyone seen those??

aicha

RSaxena

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