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Re: semipreciousme

What does my support (and that of 95% of Americans) of Senator McCain`s position to show no mercy to America`s enemies have to do with the sob story you have written?

Re: id

``Leave RSaxena... his views are completely self centered with respect to india. He does not give a sh!t about Pakistan or Afghanistan,``

Another idiotic leap of logic to suggest that caring about some countries and not about others implies that one wishes harm on innocent civilians in the latter.

You will probably go hang yourself with your own illogical thinking.

Tsk tsk tsk...ylh is losing it.

Come to grips with reality...India has not been used and kicked to the curb repeatedly by anyone. We were friends with the Russians and we still are. The relationship with the Americans came about when both countries decided they wanted it -- not when US marched in with a big stick saying ``obey, or else!`` Same for other countries we have relationships with.

As for India offering help to America, most of the civilized world has offered it. What`s your point? It`s a good thing that India is not associated with this in the way Pakistan is. Who needs the world seeing ``India`` and ``terrorist attack`` mentioned in the same sentence over and over again like Pakistan is being mentioned. It hurts investor confidence.

(Here`s a face-saving strategy for you...leave arguments you have lost alone and move on to your next retarded one. Maybe some people will not notice.)

Id

``So you think that afghanistan should be bombed the same way the US was??? tit for tat is it?? so you would like the US to kill innocent afghans in return for the 5000+ american lives? Ok.. fair enough, but if America should kill one over the estmated death toll, then will you give your life to balance the accounts``

No I do not. I believe that people outside the United States have a perception, perhaps justified, that this country is not willing to sacrifice lives. Maybe this is true, and maybe it was a result of the Vietnam syndrome. After Tuesday, that is no longer the case. I believe the United States should, and will deploy ground troops. I believe that we should no loinger accept neutrality with respect to terrorism. I believe that those who stand with the United States should fight the menace of Islamic fundamentalism, and those who refuse should be clubbed with the enemy and be a part of the target. Will innocent people die? Yes. Will more innocent people die than were killed on Tuesday? Maybe. The United States did not start this war. It was thrust upon us. The people who did this hoped to cow the United States into submission. They have achieved the opposite. I have been told that the US is somehow responsible for this because of the imbalanced position that it takes in the Middle East. Clinton tried to bring his good offices to the table, got something for the Palestenians, but they wanted all or nothing. The PLO is still moderate, the radicals, Hamas etc did not even want anything less than destruction of Israel. Since that is not going to happen, and the United States is being punished for trying to make the best of a bad situation, then there is no alternative but war. The people who did this are responsible for the deaths of all innocents, here as well as amongst their own people.

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A short-notice SATURDAY BRUNCH event in NYC. Please see http://www.saja.org for updates & SAJA`s media guide of experts, links and
tips on covering the attacks. Please pass on to your NY-based friends & colleagues. You don`t have to be South Asian to attend! And our experts list is updated several times a day at http://www.saja.org

South Asian Journalists Association
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presents

``Covering the WTC Attacks and the Aftermath``
A group of senior journalists will discuss the coverage of the attacks and
the backlash.

Saturday, Sept. 15, 2001
11 a.m. - 1 p.m.

Maharaja Restaurant
230 E. 44th St (btw 2nd & 3rd Aves) in Manhattan
Food will be served

Speakers:

MANSOOR IJAZ, Los Angeles Times contributor & investment banker

SUMAN MAZUMDAR, reporter, Rediff.com/India Abroad

ARLENE MORGAN, former asst. managing editor, The Philadelphia Inquirer and
now head of Diversity Workshops at Columbia Journalism School

ZAHIR SACHEDINA, producer, WABC-TV

SOMINI SENGUPTA, reporter, The New York Times

Moderator: S. MITRA KALITA, reporter, Newsday

A presentation by SIN YEN LING, legal fellow at the
Asian American Legal Defense & Education Fund -- she is tracking the bias
crimes -- will precede the discussion.

Also participating from the audience will be at least two South Asians who
have been the subject of anti-South Asian harassment and threats (they
have kindly agreed to make themselves available to the press afterward).

All are welcome; priority seating will be given to members of the press;
you don`t have to be South Asian to attend!

Tix: (includes panel, snacks, coffee/tea & cash bar)
$3 for SAJA members
$5 for non-members
$3 students

An optional full lunch buffett will be available for $6 extra at the end
of the event.

No RSVP required. More info at http://www.saja.org
Journalists needing assistance: 212-854-5979; saja@columbia.edu

TO REPORT BIAS CRIMES:
Sin Yen Ling, legal fellow at the Asian American
Legal Defense & Education Fund
E-mail: sling@aaldef.org
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Ref Rsridhar # 554:

From a Pakistani point of view cooperation with US is not only a moral thing to do but also practical. Pakistan has taken on a role that is too big for her britches and she will always need Sugar Daddy in the form of China, Saudi Arabia or USA, unless she stops pretending to be the leading light of Islamia and fixing things in this world that Allah overlooked, ie, presence of billions of Hindus, Budhists, Jews and Christians. Fortunately it is not a majority of Pakistanis that want this role but a handful of Maulanas, if I go by the interactors on the chowk.

We seldom hear from the man on the street here, so the sample is very skewed. Hopefully these people are the opinion leaders in Pakistan and more power to them. Fight against terror will not be easy but must be faught.

``These are testing times for Pakistan.``

Agreed. For India too. A ten year old shot in India.

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sadna #53 ``Can any chowk poster tell us what the Urdu newspapers in Pakistan say of the ongoing events and developments? How do they view the Pakistani government`s promise of `unstinted cooperation` in `fighting international terrorism`?``

Scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for ways to shut out the reality of the events taking place, are we?

I must say that I have been appalled at the single-minded focus of people like Gowardhan (and now you) on seeing Pakistan cast in a bad light - while being oblivious to the historic events now shaping up. If you truly care for the future of India, you should be happy at the fact that Pakistan is willing to fight the evil of terrorism. Win-win may be a strange concept to some folks on chowk, but try it - it is better than lose-lose.

Strange - Amina Jilani in the Nation has been saying that terrorists trained in pakistan and Afghanistan have been active in Kashmir. MAybe this is what Musharraf was also saying. The Govt Of Pakistan is not involved in it. These are private enterprises by the people and that the Pakistan govt has no control over them.

Hey if this was the case then the Agra summit was ssuccess not in the sense all of us were reading it, but in the sense that Pervex Musharraf tried to buy his way into the hearts of the terrorists.

Does this mena that the govt of pakistan has no control over the country? What does it mean?

Re:Reply #: 562

``On the other hand, if they side too openly and aggressively with the Americans and Israelis in the fight against Islamists, they risk a serious confrontation with militant Islam both within and outside India. And India is a lot more vulnerable to determined terrorist attacks than America is.``

dost-mittar,

I hear a veiled threat here. I suggest, you worry about your country and we will worry about ours. It does not require a rocket scientist to tell us that India is a lot more vulnerable. We have been fighting these scums that you call ``freedom-fighters`` and we call ``terrorists`` and ``murderers`` for too long now. India will sit back and watch what happens. This is a unique opportunity to strike once and for all at whatever jehadists are left in the valley and start a political process there. I know this will happen.

Have you even seen or heard India`s name mentioned even once anywhere on T.V or newspaper in US. No. Reason? India has opted to silently help USA. It fears what some looney Islamic elements might do if it openly sides USA. Its silent role was acknowledged by NYTimes in an editorial. India will be the beneficiary if Taliban is dismantled. How will this affect Pak remains to be seen.

Sridhar

Re:Reply #: 562

``What I am not sure is whether Tuesday`s events have shifted paradigms to the extent that America will insist that Pakistan should close down military training and support of all jehadis on its territories, including those meant for `political and moral` support in Jammu and Kashmir. In the past, Pakistan has successfully told Americans to buzz off when asked to curb these jehadis. I have a feeling that Pakistan would succeed in this once again as long as it is sufficiently loyal in supporting the US adventure in Afghanistan.``

dost-mittar,

I can tell you that when this is all over, there will not be any Taliban, so the question of having those pro-Kashmir camps does not arise. This is what you and some other Pakis are fantasising. You guys do not seem to get it. Pak is in deep SH!T. Its rulers have completely revealed their true nature to US and world community. All along Mushy boy has been saying he has no influence over Taliban. No one believed them but they dilly-dallied all along. Now, they have been told to cooperate. Mushy has no choice but to cooperate. US may offer some carrots like lifting the sanctions if Pak cooperates. But that is about it. Pak will be a much chastised, totally de-Talibanised country when this is all over. So, hold your horses, sit back and watch as events unfold.

Sridhar

Re:Reply #: 543

semipreciousme,

Thanks for the info. A fascinating character. But an evil incarnate nevertheless . A self-deluded person who believes what he is doing has God`s sanction.

Sridhar

Re: Reply #: 555

bharatvaasi,

More importantly, it remains to be seen how much control Musharraf has over the pro-Taliban forces in Pak. It is one thing to say now that he is ready to do whatever US has asked for (the guy has no choice really; he was told and not asked to cooperate). It is another thing to be able to delver on his promises. Pakistan can expect, in the next few months, foreign troops landing on it soil, aircrafts flying over its airspace. Pak is now visibly the frontline state for USA in latter`s fight against terrorism, just like it was during the Afghan war (against Soviet Union). But there is a difference. Pakistan this time around is a reluctant state, reluctant to do something that is morally and ethically right. Its reluctance comes from fear of what backlash it might have to face once the action begins. It remains to be seen what Musharraf has bargained for with USA and if he can use this bargain to keep the pro-Taliban forces at bay. This is a tall order. The average person on the street is going to be anti-US the moment US troops lands on Pak soil. This might translate into large scale deomonstrations/riots. Tough times for Pak. But it has taken a right decision.

Sridhar

What`s with this love hate relationship between Saxena and Scout?

Come on guys, your opinions are not that different for you to be screaming at each other.

Shamelessness of the Indians is evident in the way they have sought to make profit off of this situation .... Now Saxena and other `Proud` Indians are accusing Pakistan of `selling out` to the US.... yesterday however their government was scrambling envoys to Washington pleading US to use their territory instead.

Rsaxena and others like him are the most machiavellian self serving inhuman ignorant and arrogant fools anyone can imagine.

-YLH

INHUMANITY OF INDIANS ON CHOWK:

As always Indians have outdone themselves... when this board, started none of the Pakistanis pointed fingers but just posted their deeply felt feelings of sadness... but Indians sought openly to make profit off the situation and started attacking Pakistan.

Perhaps the bigoted and inhuman attitude of Indians on this board is best exemplified by the following two statements by two Nazis from across the border

`Manayd

Ref Rsaxena # 530:

``Is Pakistan for rent by the US yet again?``

Always, but the price must be haggled fir`

Let us analyze the Indian reactions if Pakistan hadnt agreed with the US.

Rsaxena: Pakistan is the enemy of civilization.

Gowardhan: See See Pakistan is Islamic Fundamentalist

Akash: Pakistan is evil

Tibor: Pakistan is Evil

All Indians: Pakistan Govt. Behind the terrorist attack

But I agree that it is a hypothetical situation, because Pakistan has agreed to the US requests...

but let us see the responses now:

Rsaxena: Is Pakistan rent for the US again?

Manayd: The price is being haggled for.

OFFICIAL INDIAN REACTION:

Breaking News: India offers its bases and facilities to the US.

Vajpayee, Jaswant, Indian Government: Pick Us, and you can sleep with our Indian consul General in New York... Pick us Pick us... Please Pick us.

L K Advani: Pakistan is terrorist.

So Rsaxena tell me, Are you jealous that India is not for rent? that India is not the choicest property despite overtures and pimping to the west?

Ref Rsridhar # 554:

From a Pakistani point of view cooperation with US is not only a moral thing to do but also practical. Pakistan has taken on a role that is too big for her britches and she will always need Sugar Daddy in the form of China, Saudi Arabia or USA, unless she stops pretending to be the leading light of Islamia and fixing things in this world that Allah overlooked, ie, presence of billions of Hindus, Budhists, Jews and Christians. Fortunately it is not a majority of Pakistanis that want this role but a handful of Maulanas, if I go by the interactors on the chowk.

We seldom hear from the man on the street here, so the sample is very skewed. Hopefully these people are the opinion leaders in Pakistan and more power to them. Fight against terror will not be easy but must be faught.

``These are testing times for Pakistan.``

Agreed. For India too. A ten year old shot in India.

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