Just the End of the Beginning

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cemendtaur 49

A rare man. Why can`t people see that when people commit horrible acts of terrorism in the name of islam, victims of terrorism will keep associating islam with terrorism (millions of Indian muslims prove that is very untrue) so long as most muslims keep pussyfooting about terrorism?

If these people dont speak out loudly against such misuse of Islam then they are themselves to blame from bringing unjust insult to Islam. Why is it so hard to understand?

Bapu: Kindly blow yourself up.

Like myself, Muslims all over the world are expressing grief over last week`s terrorist attacks. But I haven`t heard the pledge of allegiance to civilization I was hoping to hear. Muslim religious leaders give fatwas left and right. What we need now is a very clear fatwa on terrorism: the act of attacking and killing civilians in fighting for a ``cause.`` My particular brand of Islam denounces terrorism--the terrorists need to be expelled from the faith i.e., terrorists are not Muslims and are going to hell. But we need to consult the religious leaders. Such fatwas are especially needed from Muslim religious leaders in the US. With fatwas against terrorism our religious leaders could prove to the world that Muslims are peace-loving people.

Cemendtaur

jafridi:

could you elaborate please?

Gen. Pervaiz Musharraf has decided to follow the footsteps of Air Vice Marshall Cao Ky and transformed the Pakistani Armed forces to ARVN circa 1975 almost overnight.

Mr. Sahukat Aziz will be the Pakistan`s modern day Mr. Theiu.

The end is a no brainer.

i’ve heard a lot of people say that bin laden is just a convenient target or that more proof of his involvement should be supplied before going into Afghanistan...well imo, the sooner we get rid of him, the better...the guy has a proven track record...he’s publicly said that he doesn’t care whether american military personnel or civilians are killed because to his twisted mind, innocent civilians are just as much to blame...he’s brainwashing children/youth in his many a training camps...something needs to be done with him...if he’s so infuriated with the americans, why doesn’t he do us all a favor and get his a$$ in gear and go and fight his so-called jihad ...agreed, the whole problem wouldn’t be solved just by getting rid of him...but that’s one less piece of warped lunacy...

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Don`t create monsters

In the war hysteria that currently prevails in the US it is very easy to do things that could have long-term negative consequences for this country and its allies.

The diplomatic efforts are in the right direction, to form alliances and to take the moderate Muslims away from the side of the terrorists, but any hastily adopted military action and especially a prolonged one in which innocent people get killed in large numbers could prove counterproductive and do a lot of damage by creating many more monsters.

We know what happens when innocent people get killed: the public opinion swings to an extreme; people take sides; they start shouting war cries...and people become illogical. Take the example of last Tuesday`s attacks. Whatever happened was completely crazy and there possibly cannot be any logic behind it...this is what most of us think. But if we go deep in the terrorists` minds we will find that no matter how screwed up, there was a logic there: here were some people who were very angry with certain American foreign policies-policies that were directly affecting them and other people around them; these people were too powerless to change things; the only way they could register their protest was by dying, taking along with them thousands of others.

Similarly, if innocent people get killed in the imminent American attacks in other countries, the general population of those countries will not try to understand the logic behind the attacks. The attacks will be taken at their face value: people are getting killed and America is responsible for the genocide. Thousands of Bin Ladens will be created and the US could end up facing a far greater threat of terrorism. Then, ungodly amount of money will have to be spent on intelligence and eavesdropping-and even then it will be virtually impossible to stop crazy people from pulling off stunts like the ones we saw on Tuesday.

By creating many more monsters, the USA will be jeopardizing the security of its

European allies too-if US takes extreme security measure and the terrorists find her a tough target to strike they will go after the softer spots i.e., the European countries. Creating an army of monsters will also have the potential of destabilizing those countries with large Muslim populations that, in the present conflict, will side with the US.

The strategy to fight terrorism should be well thought-out and should employ a two-prong approach:

1. Short-term strategy

The sentiments in the US are running high; many Americans want a quick ``revenge.`` To console the American public, something needs to be done right away; the Americans need to be reassured about their country and their government. And the greatest consolation at this time would be to bring Osama Bin Laden, dead or alive, to this country. This objective should be achieved without agitating the politically volatile environment in Pakistan. There are thousands of Pakistanis who believe the US to be their enemy and the Taliban government of Afghanistan to be their closest ally. Any overt US military operation using Pakistan will polarize that country and ultimately hurt the American interest. It is in the interest of the US and Pakistan to catch Bin Laden without much fanfare. Diplomacy is needed. The US should use Pakistani intelligence to hunt Bin Laden and bring him to justice. Meanwhile the Pakistani government should make friends with the religious parties in order to stop their people from drifting to the other side.

2. Long-term strategy

Apprehension of Osama Bin Laden will just be the beginning. That apprehension has the potential of opening a can of worms. Measures will need to be taken to stop the backlash, and to ultimately uproot terrorism.

A) Immediate steps to be taken after achieving the short-term objective: Elaborate intelligence network will have to be developed to counteract the backlash of the short-term objective, and to make sure that acts of terrorism do not take place in the future.

B) Honesty is needed in resolving the issues.

To finish off the war against terrorism and to ensure that terrorists are never born the root causes of some basic issues will have to be honestly addressed.

i) Skewed American foreign policies (especially the ones related to the Middle East) will have to be reviewed and corrective measures will have to be taken.

ii) We are living in an inter-connected world. People everywhere know about the prosperity in other countries. The world should not just have one Land of Opportunity, to which everyone wants to migrate to; it should have opportunities everywhere. It is time to work for the betterment of all the people of the world. A widespread prosperity in the world will ease the tension that originates from envy.

Ali Hasan Cemendtaur

Penta - gone?

Some Pakistanis and an Indian with a Pakistani heart are angry that I mentioned (2) the support terrorist osama enjoys in Pakistan. (2) Many Pakistanis celebrate the death of 5000 Americans.

An Islam hater Pakistani writes in Pakistani newspaper

http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/today/editor/opi2.htm

[Osama is a popular figure in Pakistan, a role model for the patriotic boys and men who so joyously celebrated the death and destruction wrought by the terrorist attack on the mighty US last Tuesday, and of the local wits who delightedly proclaimed `Penta-gone`. Videos of Osama`s speeches and sermons are openly on sale. He can be seen and heard in recruiting drives, urging on his followers to penetrate America and Israel and hit them where it hurts most. He can be heard reciting poems he has written eulogizing terrorism and murder. At the wedding of his son earlier this year, in one of his compositions, according to AP, he described the pieces of the bodies of the infidel sailors of USS Cole flying through the air like dust particles, a sight which had his audience seen it, he assured them, would have filled their hearts with joy.]

He has always praised such killings but denied involvement.

Very different from Chowk islamists?

RE Nasah 31

I remember reading about Mullah Omar`s daughter marrying Bin Laden--and the fact that he has daughters older than the latest wife.

A while ago, the NY Times ran some stories about his origins--from some place in Yemen and about his mother who was a Lebanese socialite before her marriage to his father. Apparently, Harvard has an Islamic chair funded by another Bin Laden brother and yet another brother owns some posh apartment complexes in Boston.

Re Bijli 32

I first used to think that your fractured English was rather pathetic, but your entire mindset is even worse. For the longest time, Foreign Affairs was edited by a muslim, Fareed Zakaria. So, what does that make him, a mossad employee or a pawn in the zionist-christian-hindu cabal to crush the islamic world? The biggest enemies of Islam are not these entities, but your binladens and the jihadis.

I dont think killing bin laden will achieve anything. There is a very good reason why America is hated around the world. I suggest some of you read up on American covert operations via the CIA (an estimated 6 million people were killed by them before 1987) or their genocides in Iraq, Cuba, Libya etc.

Of course the DEAD here are a bunch of raghead darkies so dont expect any sobbing journalists.

And Id wish america would stop talking about not bombing innocent civilians, Like this has ever stopped them before!!

The sad thing here is that America has done fukked up millions of people when it wasnt even provoked, just imagine what the Snakes will do now...

http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/sep/15pok.htm
Training camps in PoK closed temporarily
Apparently fearing US strikes, over 10 training camps in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir and Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) have been closed temporarily and trainee militants dispersed to different areas, highly placed intelligence sources said in Jammu on Saturday.

``As many as 12 training camps of militants belonging to the Hizb-ul-mujahideen, Harkat-ul-mujahideen, Harkat-ul-jehadi Islami, Tekreek-e-jehadi Islami, Muslim Mujahideen and Jaish-e-Mohammad were shut down after the attacks in the US,`` sources said in Jammu.

While all the camps in PoK have been closed `temporarily` and militants dispersed to different places, militants in FATA camps and on the Pakistan-Afghanistan border belt have shifted to Afghanistan, the sources said.

Most of the mercenaries, particularly from Afghanistan, have also shifted to Kabul to fight on the Taleban side in case of US attacks.
The sources said the pro-Pakistan Lashkar-e-Tayiba has sent over 500 well-trained militants to Jalalabad to help the Taleban, the sources added.

Not only this, militants currently active in Jammu and Kashmir have been asked to `lie low` by their handlers in Pakistan and Afghanistan, the sources said, adding that several instructions of such nature have been intercepted by security forces in Doda, Rajouri and Poonch districts of Jammu region.

The intercepts of conversations by cross-border militants revealed that Pakistan`s Inter-Service Intelligence has directed militant leaders to stop their activities in J&K for the time being, they added.

Militants from across the border, as per intercepts, have also asked militants in J&K to be prepared and recruit boys to fight against America in case of an attack on Afghanistan.

So now the muj have to keep their word and show the world the cajuns they have. Marines have landed in Pakistan. No planes flying over pakistan - they are taking an extar rpound trip.

Read the following from agencies

US marines land in Pak for surveillance, says report

K J M Varma in Islamabad

Amidst reports of US marines landing in Pakistan for surveillance against the Taleban and terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden, international airlines stopped using the Pak-Afghan air corridor and the country`s airport was put on high alert.

The Nation daily reported on Saturday that a special plane carrying over two dozen foreigners landed at the Chaklala air base in the wee hours of Friday.

Another daily The News quoted an eyewitness as saying that he had seen a small contingent of US troops having already landed in Islamabad.

It said, according to unofficial reports, a contingent of over 50 personnel from the Special Services Group of the US marines `Green Seals` have landed for conducting `target oriented` operations against bin Laden, prime suspect in the terrorist strikes in the US.

However, it said there was no official confirmation on this from any quarter.

Diplomatic sources confirmed the arrival of two American aircraft but declined to give further details.

Heavy contingents of the army were deployed to provide security at all airports across the country, including Karachi, Lahore and Islamabad, media reports said.

Unconfirmed reports also said that Pakistan`s air force was on high alert to guard the country`s airspace.

The News said that international airlines using a 396 nautical mile air corridor over Pakistani airspace that provided the shortest air route between the far east and Europe, stopped using the corridor.

The airlines would now have to take a circuitous route, it said.