Shahgul September 14, 2001
#90 Posted by shankar on September 19, 2001 10:29:59 am
Romair,
#81
I fully agree with you. I have said this on previous posts. This is a true gift from God for Pakistan & Mushy in particular. Its just sad that 5000+ people had to die.
Ever since the Agra summit, my impressions of Mushy are changing. He is intelligent,methodical, thoughtful & tenacious as heck. He is far better than the spineless NS or the ditzy BB.
This is the time for him to become a true international statesman. This is the time for him to consolidate his power domestically; build a national consensus & then go after the fundos & erase Zia`s disastrous legacy, for good..
Since less than 5% of the Pakistani population truely supports the fundos (as you & many other Pakistanis have maintained); this is the time the silent majority of Pakistan should rise & throw them out. Only a military ruler (as opposed to a civilian PM) has the ability & muscle to do it.
So far, from what I`m seeing, Mushy is doing exactly what a smart strategist should do. Pakistan`s star will rise internationally, like never before. Those who have underestimated Mushy have regretted it.
#81
I fully agree with you. I have said this on previous posts. This is a true gift from God for Pakistan & Mushy in particular. Its just sad that 5000+ people had to die.
Ever since the Agra summit, my impressions of Mushy are changing. He is intelligent,methodical, thoughtful & tenacious as heck. He is far better than the spineless NS or the ditzy BB.
This is the time for him to become a true international statesman. This is the time for him to consolidate his power domestically; build a national consensus & then go after the fundos & erase Zia`s disastrous legacy, for good..
Since less than 5% of the Pakistani population truely supports the fundos (as you & many other Pakistanis have maintained); this is the time the silent majority of Pakistan should rise & throw them out. Only a military ruler (as opposed to a civilian PM) has the ability & muscle to do it.
So far, from what I`m seeing, Mushy is doing exactly what a smart strategist should do. Pakistan`s star will rise internationally, like never before. Those who have underestimated Mushy have regretted it.
#89 Posted by Shah on September 19, 2001 3:12:18 am
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#84 Posted by kafir K Khan on September 17, 2001 11:41:25 pm
The last part of your article is very interesting. You are a friend, sinner and a muslim. Looks like I am looking for friends like you. Me too - just like you.
My introduction:PAKBORCOK - Pakistan Born Confused Kashmiri. Swimmer, Boozer, Atlantic city, DD(Divorced Dad) part time Romeo, SOS(Sinner of sorts), Muslim, anti-Taliban, love Keema/kababs, once a week porno( Thank God I left Lahore), WGF-white girl friends, shave my armpits every Friday, Only hobby is to scout CHOWK when not driving Taxi( which I own - although medallion belongs to a Jew).
Sincerely
Kafir Kamaluddin Khan
My introduction:PAKBORCOK - Pakistan Born Confused Kashmiri. Swimmer, Boozer, Atlantic city, DD(Divorced Dad) part time Romeo, SOS(Sinner of sorts), Muslim, anti-Taliban, love Keema/kababs, once a week porno( Thank God I left Lahore), WGF-white girl friends, shave my armpits every Friday, Only hobby is to scout CHOWK when not driving Taxi( which I own - although medallion belongs to a Jew).
Sincerely
Kafir Kamaluddin Khan
#83 Posted by Gowardhan on September 17, 2001 5:45:48 pm
tahmed123
Despite you calling me an extemist, you are one of the only few Pakistanis who has not tried to justify this barbaric act. You deserve respect for that.
People who do not condemn barbaric acts and make excuses are just barbarians in disguise. When push comes to shove, these people will * always * side with Bin Ladens and Thakerays. I hate them from the bottom of my heart even if that makes me a fanatic.
Despite you calling me an extemist, you are one of the only few Pakistanis who has not tried to justify this barbaric act. You deserve respect for that.
People who do not condemn barbaric acts and make excuses are just barbarians in disguise. When push comes to shove, these people will * always * side with Bin Ladens and Thakerays. I hate them from the bottom of my heart even if that makes me a fanatic.
#82 Posted by tahmed321 on September 17, 2001 4:29:27 pm
Shirin #78 I understand the frontier militia are now facing the Taliban soldiers across the border. We are now only a small step away from more lives being lost: who cares which side they are on - I am sure if Afghanistan had a civilized government these same Taliban soldiers would have been in schools or colleges learning something useful instead of fighting for an evil regime. What a sad, sad time we are living through...
#81 Posted by tahmed321 on September 17, 2001 4:29:27 pm
shammi #62 Last week`s events were a nightmare. The cold-blooded calculations behind it, and the lack of any possible result other than death and destruction, make it seem as close to the definition of evil as one can think of. God only knows where all this is leading to, but let us pray that the nations of the world unite to fight this common enemy of all mankind - blind hatreds and lack of respect for the individual lives.
#80 Posted by dolphin on September 17, 2001 10:30:11 am
Mr. Romair Sir
# various posts
You mean it pays to be a terrorist and to train terrorists? Very Good.
But somehow expected better reaction from you.
Regards
# various posts
You mean it pays to be a terrorist and to train terrorists? Very Good.
But somehow expected better reaction from you.
Regards
#79 Posted by zeno_kiss on September 17, 2001 10:30:11 am
Stern-Intel (Canada). A US military intelligence source revealed details of an internal intelligence memo that points to the Israeli Mossad intelligence service having links to the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks. The intelligence source, who requested his name be withheld, confirmed the internal US intelligence memo circulated four weeks ago described information that pointed to the threat of a covert Israeli operation on US soil to turn mass public opinion against Palestinian Arabs via an apparent terrorist attack on US interests that would give Israel the green light to implement a large scale military onslaught against the Palestinian Arab population.
The 11 September attack has been described by experts as being too sophisticated for a lone terrorist group to execute. ``This attack required a high level of military precision and the resources of an advanced intelligence agency. In addition, the attackers would have needed to be extremely familiar with both air force one flight operations, civil airline flight paths and aerial assault tactics on sensitive US cities like Washington, Stated David Stern an expert on Israeli intelligence operations.
The attacks targeted the Pentagon, World Trade Center towers, with the white house and air force also being targets according to the FBI. ``The attacks have certainly turned US public opinion firmly back in Israel`s favor after 11 months of Palestinian uprising, heavy criticism of Israel over war crimes allegations and racism by a UN conference in Durban. The attacks serve no Arab group or nation`s interests but their timing came in the midst of international condemnation of Israel for its policy of death squad assassination of Palestinian political and police figures``, added Stern. If verified, the news of Israel`s involvement in the US attack will come as no surprise to intelligence experts. The state of Israel has a long history of covert operations against Western targets with attacks on the King David Hotel, USS Liberty, murder of a Scandinavian UN envoy as well as espionage against the US during the Jonathan Pollard case.
On Wednesday the US defense department issued a warning to its officials to halt the leak of information on the investigation which it says is happening on a daily basis since the attacks occurred.
The 11 September attack has been described by experts as being too sophisticated for a lone terrorist group to execute. ``This attack required a high level of military precision and the resources of an advanced intelligence agency. In addition, the attackers would have needed to be extremely familiar with both air force one flight operations, civil airline flight paths and aerial assault tactics on sensitive US cities like Washington, Stated David Stern an expert on Israeli intelligence operations.
The attacks targeted the Pentagon, World Trade Center towers, with the white house and air force also being targets according to the FBI. ``The attacks have certainly turned US public opinion firmly back in Israel`s favor after 11 months of Palestinian uprising, heavy criticism of Israel over war crimes allegations and racism by a UN conference in Durban. The attacks serve no Arab group or nation`s interests but their timing came in the midst of international condemnation of Israel for its policy of death squad assassination of Palestinian political and police figures``, added Stern. If verified, the news of Israel`s involvement in the US attack will come as no surprise to intelligence experts. The state of Israel has a long history of covert operations against Western targets with attacks on the King David Hotel, USS Liberty, murder of a Scandinavian UN envoy as well as espionage against the US during the Jonathan Pollard case.
On Wednesday the US defense department issued a warning to its officials to halt the leak of information on the investigation which it says is happening on a daily basis since the attacks occurred.
#78 Posted by Mehdavi on September 17, 2001 10:30:11 am
I pray to Allah (s.w.t) to bestow His
blessing and to direct the President of the United
States of America on Sirat-e-mustaqeem so that
His creation on planet Earth may live in peace.
(Ameen)
It is unfortunate that people in some western
countries are being harassed just because they
are arab, muslims, hindus, sikhs etc.
Before pointing finger (three fingers are pointig
towards the pointer) on Mr. Osama bin Laden, one
must obtain conclusive evidence of his guilt.
If action is taken on the basis of sentiments,
there is a real danger of ww3, which will wipe
out our civilization.
Pakistan is in an unusual situation. No matter
what decision it takes, the end result will be
almost similar. I think that Pakistan has taken
better of the two possible decisions. May Allah
(s.w.t) protect Pakistan (Ameen).
There are so many articles and interacts on chowk.
It is difficult to keep up with them. I noticed
one thing in all these, that is very frustrating.
People try to kill the messenger. This is not
civilized. We are free to agree or disagree with
the opinions of others, but we have no right to
abuse the writers.
That is it for now.
blessing and to direct the President of the United
States of America on Sirat-e-mustaqeem so that
His creation on planet Earth may live in peace.
(Ameen)
It is unfortunate that people in some western
countries are being harassed just because they
are arab, muslims, hindus, sikhs etc.
Before pointing finger (three fingers are pointig
towards the pointer) on Mr. Osama bin Laden, one
must obtain conclusive evidence of his guilt.
If action is taken on the basis of sentiments,
there is a real danger of ww3, which will wipe
out our civilization.
Pakistan is in an unusual situation. No matter
what decision it takes, the end result will be
almost similar. I think that Pakistan has taken
better of the two possible decisions. May Allah
(s.w.t) protect Pakistan (Ameen).
There are so many articles and interacts on chowk.
It is difficult to keep up with them. I noticed
one thing in all these, that is very frustrating.
People try to kill the messenger. This is not
civilized. We are free to agree or disagree with
the opinions of others, but we have no right to
abuse the writers.
That is it for now.
#77 Posted by shammi on September 16, 2001 5:35:46 pm
Re: Romair
It is good that Pakistan and the US are cooperating, and although you had opposed it initially, you are now fully supportive of it. Pakistan has still not indicated that it will allow the US to use airbases/ground facilities. The only way the Pakistan overflight rights alone are going to be useful are if the take-off sites are either carrier-based, or India-based. If the latter is the case, any Kashmir `gains` (ie. US to recognize that Kashmir is `freedom struggle` not `terrorism`) will be neutralized, unless Pakistan gives air bases too. I hope that the US gets full landing rights, and ground facilities in Pakistan, regardless of the calculus of Kashmir. For once, do the right thing without quid pro quos. The Kashmir problem can be settled another day at another time.
Right now, it is important that the danger to Pakistan from the fundamentalists and almost certain Taleban ire passes. That alone is justification enough. Also, remember that the Subcontinent has been invaded historically through the Khyber. Today, guarding it is Pakistan`s responsbility. Do not automatically assume that simply because 98% of Pakistan is Muslim, the threat from across the Khyber has gone away. It still lurks, in a different form. Many kingdoms/empires in India have come and gone, but the invasions never stopped. On almost all occassions, the antagonists were co-religionists. Nothing seems to indicate that things have changed today. If anything, while the rest of the world has changed dramatically, Afghanistan is still frozen in the 19th century or an even earlier period. Pakistan`s Taleban experiment is about to end with consequences that Pakistan had not imagined -- it simply reinforces my theory that the threat from across the Durand line is real and alive. The Mughals, Sikhs, British, Pakistan tried to calm the frontier with various methods (outright occupation, buffer states (agencies), alliances, etc.) to no effect. Do not underestimate the enormity of this responsibility.
It is good that Pakistan and the US are cooperating, and although you had opposed it initially, you are now fully supportive of it. Pakistan has still not indicated that it will allow the US to use airbases/ground facilities. The only way the Pakistan overflight rights alone are going to be useful are if the take-off sites are either carrier-based, or India-based. If the latter is the case, any Kashmir `gains` (ie. US to recognize that Kashmir is `freedom struggle` not `terrorism`) will be neutralized, unless Pakistan gives air bases too. I hope that the US gets full landing rights, and ground facilities in Pakistan, regardless of the calculus of Kashmir. For once, do the right thing without quid pro quos. The Kashmir problem can be settled another day at another time.
Right now, it is important that the danger to Pakistan from the fundamentalists and almost certain Taleban ire passes. That alone is justification enough. Also, remember that the Subcontinent has been invaded historically through the Khyber. Today, guarding it is Pakistan`s responsbility. Do not automatically assume that simply because 98% of Pakistan is Muslim, the threat from across the Khyber has gone away. It still lurks, in a different form. Many kingdoms/empires in India have come and gone, but the invasions never stopped. On almost all occassions, the antagonists were co-religionists. Nothing seems to indicate that things have changed today. If anything, while the rest of the world has changed dramatically, Afghanistan is still frozen in the 19th century or an even earlier period. Pakistan`s Taleban experiment is about to end with consequences that Pakistan had not imagined -- it simply reinforces my theory that the threat from across the Durand line is real and alive. The Mughals, Sikhs, British, Pakistan tried to calm the frontier with various methods (outright occupation, buffer states (agencies), alliances, etc.) to no effect. Do not underestimate the enormity of this responsibility.
#76 Posted by soysauce on September 16, 2001 5:35:46 pm
#74 shima
Said a famous theoretical physicist:
I can tell you exactly what those results mean. I can give even better explanations for the opposite results.
Same for a good ``analyst``. (S)He has an explanation for every situation.
Said a famous theoretical physicist:
I can tell you exactly what those results mean. I can give even better explanations for the opposite results.
Same for a good ``analyst``. (S)He has an explanation for every situation.
#75 Posted by Romair on September 16, 2001 3:20:06 pm
Maleeha Lodhi, the Pakistani ambassador to the US, just did a CNN interview on prime time for 10 minutes. The interviewer said they expected to see her back, quite a few times. So the media offensive is on. Americans will be a bit surprised to see someone who is a female, Ph.D., voted as one of 40 successful people to watch by Time magazine, speaks excellent English, as the Pakistani ambassador.
She spoke well enough. Some of the replies were too long. But the message was clear. Pakistan is 100% on board. Pakistani is helping the US at great national risk, and hopes the US doesn`t dump Pakistan again like it did in the post-Afghanistan war days, etc. She also pointed out that the religious parties only win 2-3% of the seats in elections (this remark is an indication of future domestic direction also).
Seems like Musharraf has made up his mind. Three birds with one stone: 1) Show that Pakistan fully opposes terrorism, thereby giving more credibility to his stance on Kashmir being a freedom fight. 2) Ensure that Pakistan gets something economic in return 3) And go after the more extreme amongst the Mullahs within Pakistan.
People have been suggesting that the Army is scared of the Mullahs in Pakistan. I had always suggested the moment Pakistan gets some economic lifeline, Musharraf would go after the extremist amongst the Mullahs, within Pakistan. Well, here it is. Had the Army been so afraid of the extremist Mullahs, there would be no way Musharraf would have accepted, ``every single demand`` of the US.
And, unlike many repliers are suggesting, ironically the US, in the short term, actually needs Pakistan more, than Pakistan needs the US. The US leadership is scared to death at the moment, and is completely unprepared to fight this kind of a war. That is why the US commentators are so confused on TV. They now that if they catch OBL, then what? Everyone knows this problem is going to take a long time to solve. And if Pakistan were to say, ``no`` to the US, there is no way the US can successfully fight a war in Afghanistan. It does not have the skills or experience. So the US could not have shoved these demands down Pakistan`s throat. A carrot was used, not a stick.
This could be Mushy`s finest hour. The first thing he probably did was to call the Chinese leadership, and is probably doing everything under their guidance. He is off to China and S.Arabia today. This will result in a stronger bond between Pakistan and S. Arabia also, since the later is dead scared of people like OBL.
So far, so good. I give Mushy an B+, uptil now. He needs to show up himself on CNN, after Maleeha Lodhi. Now if the US leadership realizes that it cannot afford to just dump Pakistan as and when it wishes, things will turn out quite well for Pakistan.
She spoke well enough. Some of the replies were too long. But the message was clear. Pakistan is 100% on board. Pakistani is helping the US at great national risk, and hopes the US doesn`t dump Pakistan again like it did in the post-Afghanistan war days, etc. She also pointed out that the religious parties only win 2-3% of the seats in elections (this remark is an indication of future domestic direction also).
Seems like Musharraf has made up his mind. Three birds with one stone: 1) Show that Pakistan fully opposes terrorism, thereby giving more credibility to his stance on Kashmir being a freedom fight. 2) Ensure that Pakistan gets something economic in return 3) And go after the more extreme amongst the Mullahs within Pakistan.
People have been suggesting that the Army is scared of the Mullahs in Pakistan. I had always suggested the moment Pakistan gets some economic lifeline, Musharraf would go after the extremist amongst the Mullahs, within Pakistan. Well, here it is. Had the Army been so afraid of the extremist Mullahs, there would be no way Musharraf would have accepted, ``every single demand`` of the US.
And, unlike many repliers are suggesting, ironically the US, in the short term, actually needs Pakistan more, than Pakistan needs the US. The US leadership is scared to death at the moment, and is completely unprepared to fight this kind of a war. That is why the US commentators are so confused on TV. They now that if they catch OBL, then what? Everyone knows this problem is going to take a long time to solve. And if Pakistan were to say, ``no`` to the US, there is no way the US can successfully fight a war in Afghanistan. It does not have the skills or experience. So the US could not have shoved these demands down Pakistan`s throat. A carrot was used, not a stick.
This could be Mushy`s finest hour. The first thing he probably did was to call the Chinese leadership, and is probably doing everything under their guidance. He is off to China and S.Arabia today. This will result in a stronger bond between Pakistan and S. Arabia also, since the later is dead scared of people like OBL.
So far, so good. I give Mushy an B+, uptil now. He needs to show up himself on CNN, after Maleeha Lodhi. Now if the US leadership realizes that it cannot afford to just dump Pakistan as and when it wishes, things will turn out quite well for Pakistan.
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