Shahgul September 14, 2001
#1 Posted by palwashai on September 14, 2001 2:31:20 pm
The great Salah ud Din Ayubi ``Saladin`` on recapturing the holy lands of Palestine from the Crusaders ordered his soldiers not harm women and children and to spare the life and forgive any opposing soldier who laid down his arms. He was a real freedom fighter and a great Muslim.
You are no Saladin, go to hell Bin Laden.
You are no Saladin, go to hell Bin Laden.
#2 Posted by palwashai on September 14, 2001 2:31:20 pm
The great Salah ud Din Ayubi ``Saladin`` on recapturing the holy lands of Palestine from the Crusaders ordered his soldiers not harm women and children and to spare the life and forgive any opposing soldier who laid down his arms. He was a real freedom fighter and a great Muslim.
You are no Saladin, go to hell Bin Laden.
You are no Saladin, go to hell Bin Laden.
#3 Posted by palwashai on September 14, 2001 2:31:21 pm
The great Salah ud Din Ayubi ``Saladin`` on recapturing the holy lands of Palestine from the Crusaders ordered his soldiers not harm women and children and to spare the life and forgive any opposing soldier who laid down his arms. He was a real freedom fighter and a great Muslim.
You are no Saladin, go to hell Bin Laden.
You are no Saladin, go to hell Bin Laden.
#4 Posted by palwashai on September 14, 2001 2:31:22 pm
The great Salah ud Din Ayubi ``Saladin`` on recapturing the holy lands of Palestine from the Crusaders ordered his soldiers not harm women and children and to spare the life and forgive any opposing soldier who laid down his arms. He was a real freedom fighter and a great Muslim.
You are no Saladin, go to hell Bin Laden.
You are no Saladin, go to hell Bin Laden.
#5 Posted by Urstruly on September 14, 2001 2:53:14 pm
I am utterly disappointed by this article. It lacks all merit of justice and fairness. I wish you hadn`t included Islamic refernces to make a point. What if he didn`t do it, then you know the Islamic injuction of laying a false blame on someone, right? Aren`t you yourself then breaking the edict of la tufsido fil arz?
afsos.
afsos.
#6 Posted by nameless on September 14, 2001 3:29:35 pm
Are these not pakistanis - they have been named.
from Jang
The daily named the suspects as Pakistanis Muhammad Asif, Rana Abdul Gafhoor, Imran Asjid Husain, Mangat Sajid Hussain, Malik Tahir Mahmood and Muhammed Shahbaz; Bolivians Maria Angela Bustillo Molina and Ana Maria Vedia Barron; as well as Imtiaz Ahmad.
check out
http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/sep2001-daily/14-09-2001/main/main5.htm
This is awful. Its a sad day. Pakistanis involved in terrorism. Boy this is bad.
from Jang
The daily named the suspects as Pakistanis Muhammad Asif, Rana Abdul Gafhoor, Imran Asjid Husain, Mangat Sajid Hussain, Malik Tahir Mahmood and Muhammed Shahbaz; Bolivians Maria Angela Bustillo Molina and Ana Maria Vedia Barron; as well as Imtiaz Ahmad.
check out
http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/sep2001-daily/14-09-2001/main/main5.htm
This is awful. Its a sad day. Pakistanis involved in terrorism. Boy this is bad.
#7 Posted by tahmed321 on September 14, 2001 4:00:13 pm
Shahgul: Great article, and glad someone has the courage to stand up to this evil man. It is time we muslims stood up to those who commit crimes in the name of our religion, or even spread hatreds that lead to such crimes.
Here in the US there is a heart specialist who is stranded after attending a medical seminar as a result of the disruption in air service. His heart patients in Pakistan, at least one of whom I know was counting the days when he would return, will now have to wait longer thanks to these actions. I realize that this is just one insignificant story out of millions of others - including ones that are actual tragedies and not a ``mere`` setback for one elderly person. But it is an example of the wisdom of the Quran in calling for people to live in peace with one another and you appropriately quote from the Quran on this.
But peace is something that the men behind this week`s terrible events have no concern with. They have misused the name of Islam just as surely as they misused the airplanes on September 11. They will have the rest of eternity to pay for the sins they committed.
Here in the US there is a heart specialist who is stranded after attending a medical seminar as a result of the disruption in air service. His heart patients in Pakistan, at least one of whom I know was counting the days when he would return, will now have to wait longer thanks to these actions. I realize that this is just one insignificant story out of millions of others - including ones that are actual tragedies and not a ``mere`` setback for one elderly person. But it is an example of the wisdom of the Quran in calling for people to live in peace with one another and you appropriately quote from the Quran on this.
But peace is something that the men behind this week`s terrible events have no concern with. They have misused the name of Islam just as surely as they misused the airplanes on September 11. They will have the rest of eternity to pay for the sins they committed.
#8 Posted by nameless on September 14, 2001 5:15:48 pm
Again more involvement of Pakistan - from agencies
Fourteen youths, aged between 18 and 22 years, have been given ``full-fledged`` training to become professional commercial pilots, capable of handling sophisticated aviation instruments. These youths have also been trained in guerrilla warfare and have honed their hijacking skills to strike in countries where Muslim fundamentalism has been on the upswing in recent years. Recruited from West Asia and East European countries, these youths have been given training by the Afghan and Pakistani Air Force personnel, according to the British intelligence. Sources also said they have been told by the Britishers that these youths have been trained ``to strike not only the US, but India, Russia and Israel.``
Fourteen youths, aged between 18 and 22 years, have been given ``full-fledged`` training to become professional commercial pilots, capable of handling sophisticated aviation instruments. These youths have also been trained in guerrilla warfare and have honed their hijacking skills to strike in countries where Muslim fundamentalism has been on the upswing in recent years. Recruited from West Asia and East European countries, these youths have been given training by the Afghan and Pakistani Air Force personnel, according to the British intelligence. Sources also said they have been told by the Britishers that these youths have been trained ``to strike not only the US, but India, Russia and Israel.``
#9 Posted by Karakoram on September 14, 2001 5:15:48 pm
This is not the time for letters or talk or negotiations especially with those who do not believe in them in the first place.
The message that OBL & Taliban need to hear is being prepared for them and they will receive it shortly.
Islam - its rules, interpretations, fatwas etc. are secondary at this point and don`t mean sheit.
The message that OBL & Taliban need to hear is being prepared for them and they will receive it shortly.
Islam - its rules, interpretations, fatwas etc. are secondary at this point and don`t mean sheit.
#10 Posted by jazba99 on September 14, 2001 5:15:48 pm
Osama BIn Laden:
A man whose name has been the center of media coverage. A man who is claimed to be the suspect in the attack, and the one that happened in the US embassies.
The USA found no concrete evidence before, and I can bet you for a million, that this was also not done by OSAMA.
Agar aap ko pata ho, ISLAM has always been at a struggle, and till `` qiyamah `` it will be a struggle between the kuffar and the muslims. May ALlah help in unearthing this saazish , cos no MUSLIM can do what this one did.
And you cant blame a person without adequate evidence.
Anyone thought of this
one man, from afghanistan....does he have the resources and communications, the firepower to do it to the most sophisticated countr, who intelligence is without doubt, the best? can he ...can someone hijack 4 flights at the same time without the cognizance of anyone?
beats me...
may ALLAH let the truth previal
ALlah ho AKBAR
ISLAM ZINDABAD
Arsalaan
A man whose name has been the center of media coverage. A man who is claimed to be the suspect in the attack, and the one that happened in the US embassies.
The USA found no concrete evidence before, and I can bet you for a million, that this was also not done by OSAMA.
Agar aap ko pata ho, ISLAM has always been at a struggle, and till `` qiyamah `` it will be a struggle between the kuffar and the muslims. May ALlah help in unearthing this saazish , cos no MUSLIM can do what this one did.
And you cant blame a person without adequate evidence.
Anyone thought of this
one man, from afghanistan....does he have the resources and communications, the firepower to do it to the most sophisticated countr, who intelligence is without doubt, the best? can he ...can someone hijack 4 flights at the same time without the cognizance of anyone?
beats me...
may ALLAH let the truth previal
ALlah ho AKBAR
ISLAM ZINDABAD
Arsalaan
#11 Posted by sadna on September 14, 2001 5:43:58 pm
Unless you find a way for the followers of the religious scholar you quote to undertake armed jehad and kill the religious scholar who advised Mr. bin Laden about HIS fatwa, there is just no reason why Mr Bin Laden should listen.
Even if such an attempt succeeded, he probably will not bother to give credence to these religious pronouncements, he will just plan a counter attack. This is the modus operandi of many elsewhere in the region in order to get the last word in a debate on religious principles.
Even if such an attempt succeeded, he probably will not bother to give credence to these religious pronouncements, he will just plan a counter attack. This is the modus operandi of many elsewhere in the region in order to get the last word in a debate on religious principles.
#12 Posted by Rdesikan on September 14, 2001 8:49:09 pm
Oh yeah, he`s scanning the boards of chowk waiting for advice. he`s going to take notice and change his methods/strategy based on the profound wisdom imparted here. Waste of time while in the meanwhile, you have a whole bunch of your coreligionists who are celebrating the collapse of the WTC with dances and sweets. And while you`re at it, why don`t you write a letter to that pukeface stinky beard mullah omar?
#13 Posted by ylh on September 14, 2001 8:49:09 pm
It is abundantly clear that Bin Laden`s network was used in these attacks... there cant be any controversey about that... however, there are increasing number of reports from groups like Stern`s Intelligence Canada etc that Israel`s Mossad was in some way involved in manipulation and perhaps funding of the effort...
Can someone comment on this development?
-YLH
PS Please dont slam me , I am known as a supporter and friend of Israel amongst people who know me.
Can someone comment on this development?
-YLH
PS Please dont slam me , I am known as a supporter and friend of Israel amongst people who know me.
#14 Posted by AAmir on September 14, 2001 8:49:09 pm
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#15 Posted by Kiran- on September 14, 2001 8:49:09 pm
Shahgul: nice effort, though this could use some heavy editing: there`s too much repetition. Try to ignore those who will surely blow this out of proportion.
Karakoram: if you have nothing positive to say, how about just keeping your big mouth shut? Don`t go around insulting Islam. It`s hateful people like you, that are a stigma on humanity!
Karakoram: if you have nothing positive to say, how about just keeping your big mouth shut? Don`t go around insulting Islam. It`s hateful people like you, that are a stigma on humanity!
#16 Posted by Kiran- on September 14, 2001 8:49:09 pm
Shahgul: nice effort, though this could use some heavy editing: there`s too much repetition. Try to ignore those who will surely blow this out of proportion.
Karakoram: if you have nothing positive to say, how about just keeping your big mouth shut? Don`t go around insulting Islam. It`s hateful people like you, that are a stigma on humanity!
Karakoram: if you have nothing positive to say, how about just keeping your big mouth shut? Don`t go around insulting Islam. It`s hateful people like you, that are a stigma on humanity!
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