Caught In Between

Re: An Indian pilot`s achievement

LCA pilot wins international accolades. Read the article at `` http://203.199.93.7/articleshow.asp?art_id=1541783867``.

Excerpts:

1. ``Wing Commander Rajiv Kothiyal, who was the first man to fly the technology demonstrator (TD-1) of India`s fighter plane - the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), has been awarded the Iven C. Kincheloe trophy for best professional achievement for the year by the Society of Experimental Test Pilots (SETP), headquartered at Lancaster, California, USA.``

2. ``IAF officials said this is the first time in the history of Indian aviation that an Indian test pilot has been given the award. Kothiyal now joins a select band of test pilots which includes Neil Armstrong, the first man to kiss the Moon first, and Chuckyeager, the first man to break the sound barrier.``.

I could not help but smile when i read Chuck Yeager`s name. I know ylh often dreams about this person. Ylh may not the fact that chuck yeager is in the company of ace pilots that now includes an Indian.

Sridhar

Re: Musharraf`s dilemma.

This article speaks of tough choices that the dictator has had to make in the past few weeks. The Url:

``http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia_china/story.jsp?story=97840``.

Excerpts:

``Pakistan has always maintained that it gives Kashmir`s ``freedom fighters`` – who include associates of Mr bin Laden – moral support only; the world has always, with good reason, believed the support went much further. The struggle to ``liberate`` the Muslim-majority state of Kashmir, generations of Pakistanis have been told by their rulers, is at the heart of Pakistan`s identity. Now President Musharraf must execute a U-turn and tell his people that no, that was all rubbish, actually these are terrorists just like the scoundrels who killed all those innocent people in New York and Washington.

That`s what the West wants him to do. But if the general`s utterances have been getting more mouse-like these days, it is because that is one thing he cannot bring himself to say – for at least three reasons. One, he himself was, as Indians like to say, the ``architect of Kargil``, the mountain war of 1999 that was Pakistan`s last, doomed attempt to prise Kashmir away from India. Two, he cannot do it because when he makes a gesture in that direction mass murder occurs in Srinagar – distant thunder warning of terrible storms at home if he pushes his luck. And three, in his new guise as the West`s obedient servant, he cannot betray the ``freedom fighters`` of Kashmir because their comrades are deeply insinuated in high positions in every important institution of the Pakistani state.``.

It is funny that, as i was watching BBC`s Newsnight, Abdus Sattar who was being interviewes is now telling the world that USA should share the evidence of OBL`s crime with the Taliban. What kind of game is Pak playing here. Probably all for public consumption after selling out to the western interests. If Pakistan has truely changed (a miracle indeed!)and given up its pro-Taliban policies and given up on supporting militant madrasas and camps, it is a very good development and good news for India. Looks like US and its allies will ensure safety of nuclear installations and weapons, ensure that a stable democratic govt replaces Musharraf. It will be in US interest to ensure that such a govt is also friendly to India. If that happens, we may still see prosperity in the subcontinent. Can this happen or am i just daydreaming?

Sridhar

Re: Mushy`s double game

The guardian talks about Musharraf`s double game and warns Tony Blair to be careful in dealing with him.

The URL: ``

http://www.guardian.co.uk/pakistan/Story/0,2763,563654,00.html.

Excerpts:

``After nearly 40 people were killed in Srinagar this week, a furious India demanded immediate action against the Pakistan-based group deemed responsible. This reasonable request met with familiar obfuscation in Islamabad. For his pains so far in this crisis, Gen Musharraf has picked up a likely $600m in US aid, a lifting of nuclear weapons-related sanctions, extended IMF credit and debt relief, and now a big diplomatic bouquet from Britain. But he is still playing a double game. Mr Blair should beware of too warm an embrace.``.

Sridhar

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RSaxena:

Reports have been leaked linking Sarwari to unsavory activities in the PMO`s office (cigar cases were found there).

Dude, now you`ve gone and done it. AnNy`s going to kick your butt too.

Subroto

``Yeh humara nara hai,

Ki har ghar may roach lana hai.``

soree to put a damper on the entire joyous proceedings - magar - lagta hai aapko COMBAT ya PifPaf : ) ka ata-pataa nahin hai !!

aicha

Re: Jaswant`s visit

Guys,

Just saw Jaswant Singh with Defense secretary Rumsford taking questions. Rumsford mentioned combined fight against terrorism with help of free countries like India.

In another story, Mushy is said to have convinced the muslim clerics that helping USA is the best thing to do to avoid India and Israel from exploiting the situation. The Jewish-hindu plot is said to have convinced the clerics. Talk about hatred.

Sridhar

Re: Jaswant`s press conference in front of White House? or may be in Pentagon lawns

Guys,

Just saw Jaswant Singh on C-Span.Missed the early part of the interview. He is said to have carried a strong letter from ABV. He stated categorically that India`s patience is running out. This was following the reports of a suicide attack on J & K assembly early on today. Jaish-e-Mohammed has claimed responsibility. J.S said that this group`s spokesman was speaking from Pakistan and the person responsible for attack was an Arab (i thought that is what he said though i may have gotten the word Arab wrong). Pakistan was directly implicated. He also said that President of USA has assured him and India that fight against terrorism will be global and not limited to just Al-Qaida. He said US recognises that Kashmiri terrorists are no different from the rest. This may not be tonic to Pakistani rulers.

Sridhar

Re: The noose around Pakistani rulers tightens further

It is high time India took a proactive action. NO time is better than the present one. If it gets a nod from Uncle Sam, we may see Indian Air Force striking agains terrorist camps in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir. I feel both happy and sad. Happy that at last GOI is getting its acts together and sad because Pak rulers are a bunch of morons who do not seem to learn anything from history. The course they have set themselves and Pak on will only lead to another Bangladesh being enacted in Pakistan.

My dear Pakistani Chowkiwallahs. Read and weep what is in store for your country. The following from TOI. URL:

``http://www.timesofindia.com/articleshow.asp?art_id=1145663514``

``India warns Pak: Our patience is limited



CHIDANAND RAJGHATTA

TIMES NEWS NETWORK



ASHINGTON: Conveying India`s anguish and outrage about the latest terrorist attack in Kashmir to the United States in very strong terms, Prime Minister Vajpayee on Monday cautioned Pakistan that ``there is a limit to the patience of the people of India.``

The warning is contained in an extraordinary letter the Prime Minister has written to President George Bush that was delivered this afternoon by External Affairs Minister Jaswant Singh personally to the US President. The tone of the letter is so grave that Bush himself dropped in during a 75-minute meeting Singh had at the White House with National Security Advisor Condoleeza Rice at the White House.

The US President stayed for 40 minutes discussing the latest developments relating to terrorism with Singh. Emerging grim-faced from the meeting, Singh said he had a ``very candid and productive`` discussion which left him with no doubt that the United States would address the issue of terrorism everywhere and not just that which affected America.

In his letter to President Bush, Prime Minister Vajpayee minced no words in directly blaming Pakistan for the latest massacre in the Kashmir legislature.

``There has been understandable anger in the country at this wanton act of violence….Incidents of this kind raise questions for our security which, as a democratically elected leader of India, I have to address in our supreme national interest,`` he Vajpayee wrote.

``Pakistan must understand that there is a limit to the patience of the people of India,`` he added.

By emphasising his position as the elected leader of India and pointing out that the terrorists had attacked the ``state parliament,`` Vajpayee appeared to make clear his misgivings about Washington allying itself so readily with the military ruler of Pakistan.

The Prime Minister said that a Pakistan-based organisation, Jaish-e Mohamed, had claimed responsibility for the attack and had even named a Pakistani national based in Pakistan as one of the suicide bombers involved. Yet the president of Pakistan was telling the world through television interviews that Pakistan has no terrorist groups operating from its territory.

Following Vajpayee`s letter, which he ended by saying he had asked his External Affairs Minister ``to convey to you more fully our sentiments in this regard,`` Jaswant Singh is understood to have told the administration about the rising public anger at home at the wanton acts of terrorism being promoted by a state that has been patently militaristic towards India.

Despite the grave atmosphere that surrounded the meeting, Indian officials said they found the US fully understanding about New Delhi`s concerns.

Vajpayee in fact prefaced what was virtually a warning to Pakistan conveyed through the United States. that India understood Washington ``discharging your core responsibility for the interest and security of the American people.`` But India has its own concerns that could not be ignored.

``We are with you and do not wish to overload the agenda in any way. However, incidents of this kind raise questions for our security``, Vajpayee wrote.

In effect, New Delhi appears to be preparing ground for retaliating against Pakistan-sponsored terrorism, particularly since the United Nations too has signaled that it expects all member countries to crack down on terrorism from its home soil or face action.

Jaswant Singh in fact gave some hint of what could be in store by saying that terrorism directed against India was India own problem and it would handle it itself.

India`s strong response came on a day when the US media revealed that the money trail associated with the terrorist attack on America led to Pakistan. A delegation of US Congressmen also blamed Pakistan for terrorists attacks on Americans.``

Sridhar

Fellow Roaches,

To say that I am thrilled at such a response to the call for Roachistan is an understatement. To see the Movement for Roach-storation of Democracy (MRD) take firm root and the outpouring of roach pride brings tears even to my cynical eyes. We can only hope we can fulfill our promise of roach, kapda aur makan.

Yeh humara nara hai,

Ki har ghar may roach lana hai.

Mere hum roachon hume banana khana hai (with apologies to Rajiv Roach)

Jai Roachistan.

re Rsaxena

Why do you think Speaker Sarwari was in the empty PMO(We don`t have a PM yet, right?)? Doesn`t she realize the separation of powers bit?

Re: Sigalph

Reports have been leaked linking Sarwari to unsavory activities in the PMO`s office (cigar cases were found there).

T Ahmedsahib sorry for rewrite. Read your leter vary good stuf.

No great ohner to general sahib to interview report maker cnn ms. Amaopore. She is not good repoter ok. She is kharb dekhaneko. she is not good look, no good eglish no figer.Even with lipstick no good look, skin not white, must be hybrid no pure white woman i think no sex appeal.

Even indian tv report lady i know dark (they color white)still sex appeal, same thing big about BB.

i know its bad , but looks are everything in real life right.Good skin color and good look take you up. Its human.I am handsome even english(real white not hybrid deshis )gentlman and ladies said. I think i am not too smart, beter look got me luxary job. people like to be served even food by good look.That is my mental thinking about her. i think no husband to her- no shadi.

Reacton response:Tahmed321(refaranse no.613)

Respected Ahmed Sahib (we are same name-good) sir,

Thanks you very much.thank u.

I am vary vary happy for reading stuff i wrie ok.

I think your self and mr. Sridhar ( he is in states) only only rection response. I good and happy for that.(I respect good ppl even hindu, ok, madani no problom, we here deal with highclass ppl, dark whte all types and all good.) Please write if you are in Pakistan or STATES (uk also ok). I am worred about future of me my children ok. We need discuss about mony ok, share bazzar etc.stok is dawn ,but chance to make mony. what is your mental thinking same as me?about stok.Ahmedsahib i plan to take IT traing 65,000RS over 18 months.Is it all worth? Some say IT is down,STATES some say temp time.I donot want to work IT pakistan ( i make more here - good tips many times in dollars). I want to go STATES for CHILDREN.I buy dollras cash and keep it, no bank ok, I make good over years.I lost mony in Adamji Insurace,stok, but holding ok. I think best is hold dollars as no chance to lost mony correct.What ur mental think about this stuf?

Any way most time no work look and study internet.

like defense journal every month and all urdu newspaper and some english,hindu and usa also. Any paki or hindu from STATES advise about iT training. This institate has many STATES educated teachers, its private with 21 computers. ok. welcome thinkig hindu or muslim , no problom ok. Good night everybody

Sigalph 598.

``Aisha Sarwari : Speaker of the House`` I am honored. Thank you.

And with that I would like to move the motion to have Rsaxena as minister of Health and Sanitation.

I have been informed of his vast personal experience in it.

Ahmed madani #608 you one funny chap, man. now we pakis get so much wur-ld attention, and for what? for creating mess in afghanistan to begin with. for sitting at right place at right time.

``better lucky than smart, ha! ha!`` sez pervaiz musharaff over hotline to vajpayee. bush thinks ``hmmm...good line, must use with that bearded mullah Al Gore when I see him``.

and all this attention, oh good lord...christia amanpour wants to hear musharaff`s deep thoughts...bush calls saying he just wanted to say hi to his good buddy...clinton wants to know if the missus would like to go out for a spin...