Caught In Between

I have a good mind to mass mail this site to as many americans as possible so that the americans know how some of the perverted pakis who are their friends and colleagues at work think inwardly about this disastor and the sufferings of their fellow americans.....

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Re: sigalph

Well-said (except the part about Kashmir, but we`ve agreed to disagree amicably on that one).

Re: Fuzair

``Anyway, I`ve expressed my opinion of Ms. Sarwari`s articles before: waste of bandwith. Why does Chowk seem to like her so much? God knows its not because of her writing skills.``

What do you mean? Ylh says she is an emerging writer, thinker, and political analyst. Pakistan`s very own George Stephanapolous.

jazba66 #16 ``America is letting me be a human being , but at this time, I am finding it hard to be a Muslim. ``

No human being can be the type of muslim you seem to be thinking of - the ones who wear Islam on their sleeves and not in their hearts. These are people with outward show of beards and burqas and with ``religious`` political parties and with imposition of their voices on the neighborhood with loudspeaders and with repeated haj trips (in jet-comfort, government paid if possible). Try being the muslim that God meant us all to be: with malice towards none, kindness towards all, respect for God`s creation and all people, and love for learning. Then you will not only become a good muslim, but also a good human being.

As for the fears of assaults in the US: The only ones who fear assaults are the ones who wore Islam on their sleeves and are wrapped up in themselves and their brand of Islam - the true muslims grieve with the rest of America at these nightmarish attacks. The US government and people have demonstrated admirable concern for the safety of muslims in the US (with repeated calls for this by public figures from the President down to Senators, from school teachers, in newspapers, on TV; a muslim mullah led part of the time at prayers held in the Washington Cathedral where President Bush as well as previous US presidents were present; an 800 number has been set up specifically for any muslim to call if harassed or otherwise concerned; and so forth). Pakistani women in shalwar kameez walk freely on the streets in the US the past few days. While there are always some nuts in any society, the care and concern for the well-being of the individual muslims in the US is what deserves recognition, not these self-centered fears of crank phone calls when there is a much bigger tragedy for all decent human beings to be concerned with.

(Incidentally, the Afghan ambassador to Pakistan in a press conference yesterday claimed 12 muslims killed in mosques in the US - and this from a man who represents a government that wears Islam on it`s sleeve and kills and intimidates ordinary people in the name of Islam. If the Afghan ambassador had the faintest inkling of Islam, he would have respected the call for honesty that is emphasized in the Quran.)

Gowardhan #18 ``How Pakistanis are Brainwashed``

You obviously dont have a brain, and so cannot be brainwashed.

freesoul #21 As an atheist, how come you think you have a soul? Just wondering.

We pakistanis (small `p` intended) must bow in shame. We have demanded forgiveness of our debt of $ 30 billion in return for helping USA. It`s a moral issue and money should not come into it.

It sounds like attempted blackmail to me. Pak govt decided to get whatever it can out of a human disaster.

Shame .. Shame ..

Jay # 28

Good to see you again my friend. This is the time of reckoning for Pakistan. The act must be condoned without reservation but the roots go deep. This is not an act of terrorism but an act of clash between civilisations. Where do we go from here ? Do we have a better understanding of people and faiths and right to survive and mutual understanding between cultures?

If we still do not, worse times are around the corner.

WHY THEY HATE US SO MUCH?

That is the question every sane mind in US is asking these days. One must keep in mind as well that the first impulsive reaction throughout the Third World in general and Middle East in particular, when this tragedy happened, was that of jubilation. People looked with awe the demise of the myth of invulnerability of United States. The myth is no more. The beast can be brought down to its knees. Soon the compassion for the innocent lives took over and grief sunk in. The US and Western media is desperately trying to tone down this initial impulsive reaction of the Third World. Because US government does not want to face the question “why they hate us so much?” at this time.

US media is also trying to tone down the hate crimes against the people of Middle East and South Asian origin. The wave of hate has spread across the continents; lives and properties of colored people are being destroyed; and their places of worship are being set on fire. The tragedy has unleashed the inherent racial hatred in these societies. US media has failed to bring these crimes in the light because the last thing that US government wants is people asking “why they hate us so much”

One may assume that this time it wont be easy for US government to dodge this question. But that is not true. The power of propaganda and media will again be used to exploit the situation. Lets admit it that FBI and CIA have utterly failed in preventing this tragedy to happen. But with in hours they were able to find their bogeyman. The main brunt of American indignation has already been directed towards Taliban and OBL. Warnings have been issued to the nations who ``support” the terrorists. “Pakistan will be given one opportunity to prove where it stands” are the words of GW Bush. The arrogance of this nation knows no bounds. Is this the protocol to address a sovereign nation who has already pledged its support?

Lets face it, the American leaders are no visionary. America desperately needs a war to prove its leadership to the world. It is abundantly clear that US will delay or prevent the handing over of Osama Bin Laden. It is clear that US will impose some impossible conditions on Taliban to do so.

A couple of months ago I was ridiculed at Chowk for hypothesizing a scenario where US will be threatening Pakistan with “our way or the highway”. The dreaded time has come rather quickly. US is parked in the Arabian sea right now, off the coast of Karachi, threatening the whole region, including Pakistan. So the hypothetical scenario based on the contention that US will excess anywhere whenever it will like, has come true. The arrogance of this nation is once again threatening the world peace.

Whether or not OBL did it; whether or not Taliban knew or not, US has no right to slaughter innocent Afghans to prove its leadership. The Afghans are as innocent as the people in the WTC were. We must speak up to prevent this circle of violence from revolving again. It is amoral. Period.

Pakistan and Taliban must understand that US will stop at nothing. They must forget about asking for the “credible evidence” crap, because there wont be any. No reasoning will work here because the main purpose of this aggression is not to prevent terrorism, its main purpose to make a statement that US is still the leader.

The best course of action for Pakistan and Taliban at this stage is to hand over OBL to a neutral European country (which is an oxymoron) as soon as possible-Pakistan must involve China and make full use of media to prevent US from creating hurdles in this hand over.

In the end I would request all to SPEAK UP against any aggression against people of Afghanistan. Because the next country facing the cruise missiles would be yours. It is time that Americans learn to live in this world with peace and resolve their issues peacefully.

SPEAK UP IF YOU BELIEVE IN “HUMANS FIRST”

a very obvious list of `demands` to make all the jihadis fall in line -

.keep india/israel out of it: illiterate jihadis, the madarsa educated, are happy

.write off $30b: educated jihadis, the bankers, engineers, businessmen, dedicated to fighting in kashmir (according to romair) are happy

.help us in kashmir: all jihadis are happy

urstruly

``The arrogance of this nation is once again threatening the world peace`` ........

....... so i assume that urstruly is not a part of this nation and as soon as DTW opens he will be taking the first flight back to kabul to defend his homeland against the infidel ....

...bon voyage and good riddance !

NEW YORK: Two Pakistanis were taken into custody by the FBI for being a material witness in the recent acts of terrorism that destroyed World Trade Center and Pentagon with thousands dead and wounded.

Muhammad Javed Azmat, 47, and Muhammad Ayub Ali Khan were reportedly taken into custody in Dallas, Texas and being brought to New York for further questioning as a material witness.

County jailers said federal agents told them that the two men were taken into custody after the box cutters were discovered.

Neither man had addresses or relatives listed on their jail records, but both told officials they were born in India.

THE BAST *RDS!

Yes Aisha Fayyazi,

You are really caught in between!! Caught in between your delusions.

I can say that even a ``jism-farosh`` will have more ethics than you. Thousands of people died and you are trying to put the blame on Gandhi!!

Of course, you will never know that Gandhi`s religious politics gave birth to a democracy.

You will also never recognize that Pakistan is an ``ISLAMIC REPUBLIC`` where by constition, only adherants of a specific relgion can control that nation.

``Pakistan has seen terrorism in Karachi. The bombs the arms and the heroin that was quite non-existent before Russia abandoned Afghanistan in its war-ravaged state, appeared. ``

Yes Aisha, they were non-existant when you were bombing baluchis out of existence and you were raping Bengalis to improve their genetic profile.

``So that is the story of my country. I am sure it wasn’t meant to be this way. Our founder Muhammed Ali Jinnah stood for all values that supported the protection of Pakistan against the fanaticism and fundamentalism. He spoke repeatedly of justice, fair play, of being free in the state of Pakistan, of every citizen being equal, of the importance of law and order, of being friendly with all its neighbors, of religious freedom, of a sovereign independent nation with democratic institutions and most importantly the address to the Constituent Assembly in 1947 where he speaks of separation of religion and state. ``

I must say that save shri Jinnah started the riots by his direct action call. Same Jinnah saheb started persecution of Bengalis when he declared anyone asking for Bengali as state language as traitor.

``Yesterday America was hijacked; the very same people held Pakistan’s foundations hostage 53 years ago. ``

Perhaps you wrote this truth only by fluke. You are hostages held by fundus for last 53 years. It is true that after such a long period, you have forgotten how it is like to act sane. Still, tt is never too late for you to come out of their cluthces.

Disgusted

Friend

PS: And no advice to Ras Siddiqui except that he is not fit even to be called a p-im-p.

What a piece of junk! Same old apologistic for religion garbage. When a religion provides a slippery path to gutter, sprinkled with mythology, it is no different than some insect eatin plants/ flowers provide slippery and juicy attraction to insect to fall into thier belly.

They may keep saying, ``Islam is a peaceful religion`` and back it up with few hadis and from Quran. They do not realize that OBL and Taliban can back up their views by ten fold hadis and holy book quotes. You just can not win against OBL and Taliban based on religion. The reason for average Muslim to be as good human being as any other is natural humanistic and rational behavior. The goodness of most people is natural human goodness and religion could not get credit for it whereas religion can be easily used for evil. Avantages nothing, disadvantages many!

Follow up to Sarwari`s article.

There are many injustices in the world. Many Pakistanis are starving today because Gandhi starved himself. Pakistanis were helpless in keeping these people who found common cause with Gandhi in starving.

If only the so called secular country had not brought down the Babri Masjid the Ahmeddiya mosques in Pakistan would have been safe.

Pakistan is walking the tight rope because Pakistan has to balance its ideals between the good of Pakistanis and the caste system in India.