Implications for India

Monasegal

Persons who hold polarizing views, frequently find the same in others - don`t you think?



My motivation? Well first things first, what do you think the author`s motivation is? What is the author saying and to whom?

I find it interesting that Indians on these boards have been telling Pakistanis that Indians are a very open and accepting people. Witness: Aryans did not come to India from the North West - No - They went from India to the North West (see Indians are Aryans not Dravidians)

AND Islam and Muslims are OK cuz Arabs are actually Indians - (Arabs did not come to India, They went to Arabia from India) Chin aur arab Humara -- Gentle, peace loving, non-violent, Singing and dancing Indians.

Now my motivation: We dont have very many (except mine)posts that are just silly and outrageously good fun.

hobbyty #103

I have always thought of you having very polarised view. But this post of yours (don`t know that exact motivation behind it) was quite interesting to read.

Mona

Kafir K Khan - All indians

rejoice - indians blood?

``Islam and India

The relationship is deeper than is normally thought

SAIYED FEEROZE HAIDER

WHAT if it is proved that the Prophet of Islam had connections with India? Unbelievable! But it is quite possible from historical evidence and old manuscripts. Diverse opinions are held as to who were the autochthonous inhabitants of India. It is widely known that Aryans claim a long association with India, but the Arab claim is not so well-known. A few thousand years ago, the Aryans migrating from the uplands of Central Asia arrived in the Punjab and soon settled down in the land. But the Arabs claim that their contact with India goes much further back and that in fact they cherish the belief that India has been their fatherland since the dawn of creation.

Arab traders frequented parts of Sindh and Malabar even before Islam. Indian traders also visited the annual fair of Daba, in South East Arabia and most probably also those of Yemen. For when the Yemenite chief Saif-ibn-dhi Yazan informed the Persian emperor that his country was occupied by ‘‘crows’’, and asked for help, the Kisra inquired: ‘‘Which crows? Of Abyssinia or of Sindh?’’ This could not have occurred to the mind of the emperor unless there were strong ties between India and Yemen.

In the Prophet’s traditions and the commentaries on the Quran, we find different versions of the story of Adam. Many of these are agreed on the point that when Adam was expelled from ‘the Paradise in Heaven’, he was put down in India, ‘the Paradise on Earth’. His feet first touched Lanka where his footprint is still to be seen on a hill.

As Adam first landed in India and received the first revelation in this country, if follows that India was the first recipient of Divine revelation.

It is still more surprising to be told that even in the age of Mahabharata, there were men in India who knew the language of the Arabs. It seems incredible. But a great Pandit regards it as true. Swami Dayanandji, the author of Sattyarth Prakash, writes ‘‘When the Kurus built a house of sealing wax and proposed to put the Pandavas inside it, and then burn it down, Vidurji gave direction to Yudhishtira in Arabic, and the latter replied to him in the same language’’ (11th Samvanas, 1st pro, 147th Adhyaya). Not only this, the name of the Prophet Dhu’l Zul-Kifl (literally: one who is of Kifl) is interpreted as ‘‘of Kapila Vastu’’ — the birthplace of Gautam Budha — Kapila being Arabicized into Kifl. Another interpretation is that ‘‘Kifl’’, literally nourishment, is the translation of ‘‘Suddho Dana’’, the name of the father of the Buddha.

Further in the Surah 95 of the Quran, we read: ‘‘By the fig tree, and by the olive tree, and by the Mount Sinin, and by this protected City’’. There is unanimity among commentators that ‘‘this City’’ is Mecca, ‘‘Mount Sinin’’ is Sinai of Moses, Mount of Olives refers to Jesus. As to the fig tree, everybody knows the Bodhi tree, the tree of wild fig, under which Gautam Buddha received his first revelation.

The rise of Islam in the 7th century gave much emphasis to the movement of expansion, which was going on since pre-Islamic days. The first Muslim fleet appeared in India in 636 AD during the reign of the second Caliph of Islam Hazrat Umar.

In Muslim society the highest in rank are the ‘‘Syed’’ or descendants of the Prophet. Most of the Syed families are descended from Imam Husain’s son Imam Zainul Abidin. It is known that the Imam’s mother was not an Arab. The Persians claim that she was a member of the Persian royal family. Some historians believe that she came from Sindh. If they are right, does it not follow that Indian blood flows in the veins of the members of the noblest and most exalted family among Muslims? It will then have to be conceded that the descendants of Imam Zainul Abidin are half-Indian, whose ancestors saved Islam at Karbala!``

Kafir K khan

Besharmo? That rich coming from you. What didn`t India offer the US - yet still, thanks but no thanks - and we are besharam - Of course we are.

Forget the legumes, stick with cow`s milk and vegetables.

Do you know why US wants Bin Laden? It`s clear that analysis of the US aviation system, training of those who executed the TT and DC acts did not take place in Afghanistan, now, even the Bush Administration is saying that there were states involved in this act - cud it Afghanistan? if it was, why have they not shown the same efficiency in thier war with the NA?

Cud it be Pakistan? And be the key allied country in the ``new`` war?

It`s a waste of time trying defame Pakistan and Islam - this will become clear in a couple of weeks - then what? - we`ll be besharam, that`s for sure - but where does that get you?

Kafir K Khan

Bechare Indians - and The Pakistani of easy virtue... and blood thirsty.

If only the meaning of events and trends were so simple. Did he mean long or did he mean forever?

What`s important for the likes of you is to remember that he said the Air force is on Alert for a ``do or die`` mission.

These events are taking on a very ominous tone, Chinese comments on these events should be taken as sobering in India. Perhaps a negotiated settlement in Captive Kashmir should be given serious consideration in India.

Kafir K Khan #95
``In the end he said.``May Pakistan live long````

Maybe he was shaken and distracted by the note handed to him that Bin Laden wanted to `Ganga Nahaao` and eat Dilli chaat as preconditions for surrender(tentacles of a larger Indian conspiracy).

Reply Kafir K Khan #80

Kafir Bhaijan, thumhare moonh men ghee shakkar. (But Muslims have always been famous for their appreciation of pappads and also papadi. Also of ankles….uh oh.)

I`m not really sure that India being out of the coalition is not in its best interests. Why get involved in a brawl when one doesn`t need to? We have demonstrated our willingness to be on the US side. Now is the time to stand aside, let others do the fighting, and then pick up from where they let off. At least if we don`t get physically involved in any attack on Afghanistan, then the regime which succeeds the Taliban will have less reason to be hostile to India, (and better, probably lots of hostility for Pakistan). We need to have a hold in Afghanistan to contain Pakistan, and maybe this is the best way to go about it.

-narain

Kafir K Khan #80...

Good one!...if only all the people in India and Pakistan were sensible....the utopia you describe would have been true..and life would have been less serious than today...but Hindu and Muslim Jehadis ahev to keep fighting...because they do not know what religion is...religion is for love and not hatred. Love between Bedekar and Ahmed!

Bin Laden singing behind the pillars in Taj ``ghooghat ki aad mein dliwar ka``...if only it were possible!

I commend the honesty of the writer and the newspaper.
http://www.dawn.com/2001/09/19/fea.htm#3

``.. Only the other day I happened to attend a seminar in Karachi arranged by a leading Jihadi organization. Almost all the major Jihadi groups were invited to protest against the measures the federal government intended to take against their fund-raising campaign and other militant activities. The seminar was well- attended and marked by aggressively spirited oratory warning the government against the consequences of its anti-Jihad policies at the behest of America.

The central theme of the speeches made was that no power on earth could either persuade or dissuade the Mujahideen from continuing to wage the Kashmir Jihad until the final victory. Kashmir, it was said, was only the doorway to their world-wide Jihad: oratory at its best.

What might have been missing to the mind of an outside observer, appeared to be the fire and the passion galvanizing a Mujahid. They sounded more as trained and battle- hardened warriors than emotionally-charged and impassioned Mujahideen. A matter of perception more than a value judgement. What was real and beyond question was that a seminar like that was held at all in one of the city`s posh hotels. Fiery speeches (no holds barred) were made challenging the authority of the government and accusing it of cowardice and docility vis-a-vis America.

Some of the prominent groups, with networks across the country, attending the conference included Sipah-i-Sahaba, Jaish-i- Mohammad, Sunni Tehreek, Jamaat-i-Islami (Sindh) and Al-Badar. Whether the impassioned idiom used and the warning extended through the various speeches would be backed up by practical action should in no way eclipse the fact that such a passion play was staged at all...``

`` ...While Kashmir can wait in spite of its shared Jihad motif and linkage with Afghanistan, a thorough reappraisal of our Afghan strategy can hardly wait. It needs to be undertaken without loss of time even at the cost of discomfiting the Taliban. As for the media exploitation of the Jihadi theme, it needs to be downplayed as much as possible.... ``

Re: Shah

Oh boy, I`ve got you hopping in your dirty little shalwar. Now there, here`s another little phataaka to make you jump even higher.

``America is your momento for life ,like that piece of Presslers statemenmt NOT worth the paper its written on ``

That statement of Pressler`s may be meaningless, but the Pressler Amendement voted into LAW by the US congress was sure painful as it went up Pakistan`s behind. Do you know what the Pressler Amendment is? Go read it, if you can. Else maybe someone can translate it into whatever Mullah language you speak.

RE: Shah

``MOSCOW, SEPT. 18. India and Russia share concerns that any impending U.S. strike against terrorist bases in Afghanistan may have negative regional consequences.``

When you Mullahs start blowing each other`s brains out on your highway to heaven, of course India, Russia, Central Asia republics, and even China have to be concerned ... to make sure you keep it in your backyards and away from our borders.

Re: Shah/jacka$$

You are writing about ``Hindians`` while posting an article about 2 Muslims being arrested by the FBI? Learn to read, Mullah.

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