Implications for India

soyasauce # 60:

``As for the color of my passport, my daughter loves to color everything.``

haww :)

Sadna

Thanks for the reassurance - that just what Vajpayee, Advani, Jaswant, Mishra and company are also seeking.

Pakistani and some Indian newspapers suggest indians are experiencing a measure of jealousy and that Jilted feeling -

Let me offer you some reassurance too, Not to worry, after this thing is over, you can have them back. By the way did you catch Bush`s speech at the Masjid? Protect the right to wear hijab and cover? Must be lashkar e jabbar conspiracy?

Secularism is built on tolerance of pluralism - we in Pakistan need to learn that, as do our neighbors, who lips synch the song without knowing what it means. Happy trails.

hobbyt #58
Dispossessed patent-pending seizure again? If you feeling anxious about the US landing, well I sincerely think it will all end well for both Pakistan and India.

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Two Indians being quizzed by FBI

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P BALU, NIHAL KOSHIE AND RAM KARAN

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TIMES NEWS NETWORK

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YDERABAD: Two men from Hyderabad, Mohammed Jaweed Azmath and Ayub Ali Khan, are among several suspects held in the United States in the wake of last Tuesday`s terrorist attacks in New York and Washington. Azmath and Khan are said to be residents of Doodh Bowli in the Old City. It was the families of Azmath and Khan who noticed their pictures being flashed on television as two persons arrested from a train as suspects in the terrorist attacks.

Earlier, Azmath and Khan`s families had contacted the relief helpline set up by the state government at the Secretariat here and gave the two men`s names and details such as age and local address. According to their families, Khan and Azmath had planned to take a plane from New Jersey to Texas on September 11, but decided to take a train instead after the terrorist attack. Meanwhile, an agency report from Washington said the two men, when arrested from a train at Dallas, claimed they were Indians, and have been detained and taken for questioning in connection with the devastating terrorist strikes in the USA in which more than 5,000 people are feared killed.

Ayub Khan (51) and Azmath (47) were taken into custody on Sunday at a railway station in Fort Worth, Texas and were flown to New York for questioning. They were in custody ``in the strongest possibility we have yet`` in the nationwide Federal Bureau of Investigation probe,Texas law enforcement authorities said.

A New York report said the duo had told the authorities that they were Indians but Texas authorities said the men lied about their nationality and had no legitimate identification. The two men had $5,000-10,000 in cash and box cutters of the type used by the 19 terrorists who commandeered the hijacked jets that they smashed into the World Trade Center and Pentagon on September 11.

Authorities said Khan and Azmath had flown on Tuesday from Newark, New Jersey, on a flight bound for San Antonio, Texas but which was diverted and forced to land in St Louis after the attacks in New York and Washington.

The authorities said the two men then got on an Amtrak train but were pulled off it on Wednesday in Fort Worth for a drug check, which targeted several passengers at random.

The two were being held on possible immigration violation, although they were taken to New York for interrogation by the FBI’s joint terrorism task force. Law enforcement sources said they were trying to find out if Azmath and Khan could be linked to a doctor from San Antonio, who is also in custody, according to CNN TV network. The authorities on Saturday afternoon also searched the Jersey City apartment the two men had been sharing located in the same neighbourhood of some of the conspirators who plotted the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

According to their landlord in New Jersey, both men lived there for six or seven years and they worked at a stationery store in New York. According to Rabouth, the landlord,Azmath was recently out of the country for several months. Their neighbours in New Jersey, according to reports, said the duo were seen nearly every day, leaving very early and coming home late for the past several years until they disappeared about a week ago.

#55 Stuka

It doesn`t have to be as precipitous as US requiring plebiscite in kashmir. The US could simply hamper any aggressive indian effort to deal with the militancy.

Apparently, GOI is sufficiently worried about the prospects of the US tilting away from india, that Brijesh Mishra and Jaswant Singh are going to be visiting Washington (rediff). It`s about time they got busy.

As for the color of my passport, my daughter loves to color everything.

Rsaxsena

Back of the bus!! jilted jaswant the sikh/hindu still laughing?? the fanatic Advani or the lune, K Subrmanium, still laughing?? You still laughing?? - sorry you tried to incite hatred of Muslims?? You will be.

``Pak conditions for helping US baffle India

From Iftikhar Gilani

NEW DELHI–Pakistan’s support to the United States has turned tables on the Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee led Indian government, which, according to reports, had not only offered refueling facilities and air bases, but also the use of warplanes like Mirages, Jaguars and the newly-acquired Sukhois, in case the US-led forces attack Afghanistan and also destroy the alleged training camps of Kashmiri Mujahideen in Azad Kashmir.

The new situation has changed the scenario, with New Delhi now insisting that it had never backed the military operation against Afghanistan. ‘We believe that military operation against Afghanistan should not be the first option before the United States,” said a senior Indian official, while briefing a select group of newsmen at South Block, headquarters of India’s External Affairs Ministry.

External Affairs Minister Jaswant Singh Monday also lashed out at Pakistan for putting conditions for helping the US to ‘wipe out terrorism.’ He said the conditions reported to have been made by Pakistan President General Musharraf to the US for helping them find Osama bin Laden were absurd. It was reported here that Pervez Musharraf had asked for intervention in the Kashmir issue. Mr. Singh also said that Pakistan is still to show any commitment towards fighting terrorism and the bilateral dialogue between India and Pakistan has now been overshadowed by the latest developments.

At the daily Press briefing, Indian spokesperson Nirupama Rao said the reported Pakistani conditions have ‘trivilised the global approach towards terrorism and have also trivilised the colossal dimension of the huge tragedy.’ Choosing words to back out from supporting the US military action, she maintained that the menace of terrorism could not be wiped out only through the military attacks. ‘It is a systematic problem and demands a sustained approach,” said the Indian spokesperson.’

Just on Sunday night participating in a discussion on Star TV, India’s junior Home Minister I. D. Swami had said that India would render all help and provide military facilities to the US was part of the cooperation against terrorism. He was echoing his Prime Minister and Home Minister L. K. Advani, who for the past one week, since the American cities were attacked have been drawing parallels between the armed movement in Held Jammu and Kashmir and American concern towards terrorism. They had treated this an opportunity to put Pakistan in dock and forge a triangle with the US and Israel.

Senior Indian official, while briefing select group of newsmen revealed that India has started working towards formulating a ‘concert of democracies’ to strike at the root of global terrorism.” Asked the role of Pakistan in the concert: he said ‘Pakistan could not have any place in the proposed forum,’ but China can be included.’ The consultation has already begun, he said, adding that Jaswant Singh has spoken to his Russian counterpart Igor Ivanov on Sunday. He is also preparing to visit Washington. India’s National Security Adviser Brajesh Mishra is already in Moscow and he has been asked to proceed to the US with this plan, after concluding his deliberations with the Russian leaders.

British Prime Minister Tony Blair has written a letter to Prime Minister Vajpayee on the issue of forging cooperation against terrorism. American envoy Robert D. Blackwill also met Singh Monday morning to apprise him of the US stand in the wake of new developments in the region.

Instead of a hasty military crackdown, top official said, India has proposed a thorough discussion on the comprehensive convention of terrorism at the United Nations General Assembly and the Security Council and to strengthen the international legal framework against international terrorism.

It has also emphasised that the ‘concert of democracies” in the world is a move towards institutionalising an intelligence sharing network.

The official was candid enough to admit that the US action in Afghanistan would create hundreds of Osamas. ‘If the US addresses the issue only militarily, then hundreds of Osamas could come up. New Delhi wants that terrorism should be wiped out completely.’

Further, the official said Pakistan had not offered to cooperate with the US in fighting against terrorism on its own, but was forced to comply with the ‘wish list” handed over by the Washington. He said New Delhi was not giving much credence to Pakistan’s proposed cooperation with the US.

Meanwhile, far from the war drums being played in South Asia, India’s‘Minister of State for External Affairs Omar Abdullah along with the delegation of officials is participating in a meeting in the remote Central Asian city of Dushanbe. The meeting that has brought together India, Russia, Iran, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Afghanistan’s anti-Taliban Northern Alliance is discussing the fallout in Afghanistan in the wake of the American campaign against terrorism and killing of the most reverred commander of Northern Alliance Ahmed Shah Masood.``

Sadna, Gohwardan

My post began with ``Poor Hindu fanatics..`` - The two of you felt compelled to respond. What pulled you in ``Poor`` or ``Hindu fanatics``?

Re: Stuka #55

Thanks.

Soysauce,

Please deal with Stuka on all the inane and irrelevant points you are raising. He seems to be a lot more patient than I am in spoon feeding logic to you.

(I have already told you, I lose, you win. Just tell me where the tiara is and I`ll crown you.)

Re: shammi

``Are we helping them or are or are they helping us?``

Nobody rubs your back if you don`t rub theirs. There`s a lot of secrecy involved in Indo-Israeli dealings; details are never enclosed. Part of it I`m sure is quite simply that we are a big market for their defense industry and since they share a common enemy with us, they feel safe selling us certain weapons.

``It is still to early say whether they have successfully bottled the terrorism genie.``

They have not perfectly sealed the bottle in which they have placed the terrorism genie.

For example, I can`t remember the last time, if ever, that an EL AL plane was hijacked or bombed. They must be doing something right. And they are experts at carrying out assasinations.

SoyaSauce:

The examples of Iraq and Yugoslavia are not applicable to India becacuse this issue is not about India. Pakistan may request US meditation in Kashmir. Assuming the US says we`ll consider, what does that mean? They`ll tell India to conduct plesbicite? That`s ridiculous.

Pakistani relationship with the US will improve, but that will not translate into a degradation of Indo-US ties.

P.S. : Which country has an Orange Passport? Bangladesh?

hobbyty 41

You are getting angry unncessarily. Sadna just asked you a simple question. No need to take things personally. If you dont have answer to her question, simply say so.

We are all happy to learn that while everyone else is serving his interest, you are doing public service by promoting jihad as your national policy.

Please dont insult islam by associating it with your fanaticism.

Re: Rsaxena

``...Seems like only the Israelis can and will help us learn a thing or two...``

Are we helping them or are or are they helping us? It is still to early say whether they have successfully bottled the terrorism genie.

OK Saxena, i give up. My passport is orange with a magenta border. What about yours? I cannot wait to hear.

#46 Rsaxena

All right, lay on your points then. Who knows, the dog may be intelligent after all. Why is yugoslavia`s long-standing relationship to the soviets and their letdown by russia at the UN, irrelevant? Because you say so? Where`s the powerful indo-israel lobby? You & your jewish friends? You seem to be operating under certain assumptions. Why not spell them out? You may be the brightest bulb in your home but that`s not obvious here.

You also c&p`ed a rediff article on Jaswant Singh. Had you read that carefully you would have seen that he takes it for granted that pakistan incites terrorism vis-a-vis india and so the US couldn`t possibly indulge pakistan. The US has never really bought the indian view regarding pakistan. Therefore, for the defence minister of india to act as tho the world revolves around him is stupid.

May i suggest that as abuse seems to come to you naturally, since it also betrays a certain, shall we say, childishness, you stick to the points instead? You have to start acting your age some time.

What`s the color of YOUR passport? Is this some kind of a game?

Re: Shammi

```Himalayan Blunder` by Brigadier Dalvi who was in charge of the 7th (?) Brigade in the Kameng sector in 1962, and was later a POW in Tibet. I do not wish to make any short, trite statements here, but I will say this -- Nehru alone blundered his way into hostility with China, not fully thinking through all the consequences.``

I`ll have to read these books. My knowledge of these details is not good as your`s.

``Regarding friendship w/ Israel/Russia -- very good, but would not really have been imperative if relations with Pakistan/China had been on an even keel.``

I don`t think the relationship with Pakistan could`ve been helped. Pakistan will always be hostile toward India -- too many ideological differences. Further, if past mistakes were made, the only thing left to do is find safeguards against them -- if that`s what Russia is for us, so be it. We bungled the Kashmir issue by not capitalizing on our opportunities, now we are left to fight terrorism there. Seems like only the Israelis can and will help us learn a thing or two.

(For starters, Indian Airlines and Air India to should get security lessons from ElAl Israel Airlines. Ditto for RAW learning from Mossad -- possibly the finest intelligence agency since the CIA went to sleep. If we had learned from Mossad, we could`ve assasinated several leaders of terrorist Paki organizations by now.)