War, What is it Good For?

AAmir 38

[Mossad strikes]

That is true!

I confirmed it with Pakistani newspapers. They all agree. Truth has come out. Paki Afghanis Islam in danger!!!

George Bush was leading the hijackers.

DOES ANYONE KNOW GEORGE BUSH WAS MISSING WHEN HIJACKING TOOK PLACE??????????!!!!!!!!!!

IT WAS GEORGE BUSH!!!!!!

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This is an advance notice!

MUSLIM PEACE RALLY
The Muslim Community in New York expresses deep
shock and outrage at the reprehensible attack on the WTC and the Pentagon. We condemn this horrible
attack and join our fellow Americans in this hour
of grief. Please join us for prayer and reflection at a Peace Rally


FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 21, 2001
MADISON SQUARE PARK
23rd Street/Fifth Avenue
From 5:30 - 7:00 p.m


Directions: Take N/R to 23rd Street/Fifth Ave.
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-American Sufi Muslim Association
-Islamic Center of Long Island
-Al-Rahman Foundation, Inc. and Al-Rahman Masjid
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-SAKHI for South Asian Women
-VIRSA Pakistan
-Women for Afghan Women

ref: id #35

Dear id,

I have come to the unfortunate conclusion that even ``a successul person who is humble and works in the interests of all those who surround him``, is not likely to be spared ``jealousy, hatred, envy, covet``. All it needs is a person who is unsuccessful enough and not strong enough to be able to deal with his own weaknesses. There are always enough of such people around. After all, it is easier to hate others than to hate oneself.

The greatest people in history have always been assassinated by lesser humans: Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Abraham Lincoln to name but a few.

-narain

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tahmad:

You are absolutely correct in your reply to Stuka.

Stuka:

From the previous posts of yours, you seemed like a person who understands humanity. You have not been involved in hate as some of the other indians have on this board.

But I do fail to understand when you talk about taking revenge. It would be foolish of any pakistani after an attack by the indians to kill off other indians who were not involved in the act of terrorism. That is exactly what happened during the partition, and you cannot justify the number of killings by both hindus and muslims over a period of 1 yr.

When America talks about freedom, the right to choose, it needs to realize that due to the negligence in its own foriegn policies, it denied freedom to people from other parts of the world. Maybe it was due to self preservation, self interests. But that is precisely what makes america a bad guy in other nations eyes.

Take an example of an egoistic successful person. Would you like talking to a person who only cares about himself and what success he has acheived, maybe even at the expense of others. I would for sure despise this kind of person.

On the other hand, a successul person who is humble and works in the interests of all those who surround him is the one in my eyes which deserves respect and admiration. Greatness can be defined as being humble in success. And thats what america lacks ``greatness``.

Jealousy, hatred, envy, covet, all these emerge from a successful person who gloats, rubs it in your face. And as Al Pacino says ``Vanity is my favorite sin``, it makes a lot of sense.

Chotu :

i agree with you, but not the way americans intend the war.

This is Pakistan`s war as much as America`s. Over 2 years ago Pakistan had sent a list of 60 wanted terrorists that are hiding in Afghanistan. The list included the names of Riaz Basra and Lal Mohammad who are responsible for many shia killings in Pakistan. The same people who took responsibility for Shaukat Mirza`s murder as per Dawn.

Taliban asked for proof of their crimes.... Pakistan took around 2-3 months to provide proof on the most wanted ones. After the proof was provided the Taliban stated that the terrorists are not in Afghanistan. This sequence of events was reported in Dawn and Friday Times.

The Taliban will lie and kill to protect terrorists because they share the same ideology. Even if there is a civil war in Pakistan, this cleansing of the terrorists must occur and is better for Pakistan in the long run.

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Stuka:

I read your friend`s story and found it both interesting and sad. I am glad the Pakistani trusted the Jewish Chap. But personally, I am amazed as well. Why would not he? Or why should not he? I would like to be trusted in any situation, regardless of war or peace, being a Muslim. So, why should not I trust a Christian or a Jew? All the angels of this world have not landed amongst Muslims; they are amongst Jews and Christians as well.

Indeed, human beings have personal biases due to preconceived notions or whatever; and all communities have them. But in general, I have not come across racists or biased folks in NY City at all. I found Midwest to be far more racist as compared to any other region. If you are dark-haired you stand out! East Coast, in general, represents educated immigrants from all over the world and they add to the life of NY City.

In my case, I was heading towards the City for a meeting when I received repeated phone calls from my friend, a staunch Catholic sitting in Southwest, worrying for my safety. Her numerous phone calls and messages made me change my plan and alerted me; otherwise I was on my way. I would never think of doubting her for a minute, just because she is a Non-Muslim. But in your example, the chap did not know the Jewish Guy - so there may be some hesitance. Still, no offense meant, I find it silly to doubt a person based on his faith. That`s rubbish. But, I completely understand that your friend was stating his experience at that crucial time and had a thought from his own perspective!

Some lunatics have started sending out chain emails with the message that oh, it may be the jews who have planted this thing against the muslims. I cannot believe it. Yes, jews run the media and we hear all kinds of stories, but our people are also paranoid! There are all kinds of crooks and saints in each faith and belief system.

Some are writing saheefas on the uthnae bathnae kee habits of the sick terrorists: alcohol, nude clubs and other indulgences as described in NY Times. We are ashamed of that as a community. But, ironically, we cannot go out and chant for all Muslims that they do not indulge or dip themselves in alcohol or other bad things. Can we? Can anyone do that?

I strongly feel that we need to acknowledge that there are good and bad amongst Muslims, who exist on the face of earth, just like in all other religions and faiths. I think the fact that no one has spelled this out is causing more havoc. Islam has a concept of Shaitaan/Satan/Evil as well. We read:

- Ih`din`a`sirat`ul`mustaqeem
- Qul`Aa`o`zo Bi`rab`il`falaq
- Qul`Aa`o`zo Bi`rab`in`aas

Now, I`ve heard everyone emphasizing it was a small group that was celebrating(sickos)/a small group that went into this Holy War(maniacs) and etc etc on the media - I have not heard anyone spelling out this logic that we have bad people like all other religions. Why do not we accept that? Or probably, it was stated but in different terms - but to expect the people following a certain belief to be 100% perfect(angels and saints)is asking too much and that`s unfair!

- rest later,

Take Care.