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Asim:

I would agree with your argument here, but there is another way to look at it too. The writer is writing how he saw it and what he felt. It can be shallow, silly, substantive, moving, touching, detail-oriented and etc. I have not read this writer in ages; the catching phrase made me read this piece. I also found this article weak in a strange way, but given that we are not functioning in a stable/normal environment - that kind of action/reaction is expected! Everyone would take things in their own way. Ok, even in normal circumstances, we tend to do that; but this has shaken many in a strange manner that cannot be understood by all. The ones who lived, worked, or were in the vicinity have taken this shock far differently than the rest of the world. Please do realize it. I do not think that sitting in the west-coast or anywhere else on mother earth, you cannot feel the same.

Hope you are doing well, otherwise.

Take Care.

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Asim Hayat # 41

Where have you been.Missing your ``teekhi-kaRvi``

baateN.If it makes kgs walla happy,so be it.

Cool it maan.

Regards.

Dear AieshaA:

What Mr. Moorthy Muthuswamy says is mostly TRUE with regards to Muslims obsession with medieval Islam -- and the behavior emanating from this regressive thinking.

For example, he is right – “Many would rather send their children to Islamic schools that do not provide necessary skills than the schools with modern curriculum. During the most of the last 50 years, Kashmir has been under the self-rule. Thus, these people have little justification in pointing a finger at India, and their ``grievances`` are indeed self-inflicted……

…” The 1999 Nobel laureate in Chemistry, Professor Ahmed Zewail of California Institute of Technology is a Muslim brought up in Egypt. He summed it best when he said along the lines that most Muslim nations are well on their way to becoming banana republics due to a much lesser emphasis placed on imparting scientific knowledge compared to the knowledge of the medieval Islamic history. This is substantiated by the fact that none of the Islamic nations have excelled in the fields of science and technology.”

Professor Zewaill is exactly right.

This is how most of the helpless Muslim academicians think – that wherever and whenever Muslims are under crunch, they run to masjid or madrsas not schools and colleges.

These frustrated intellectuals and scientist don`t deny that they are Muslims and yet they feel suffocated being part of such a retrograde concept of religion.

Moorthy is also right when he says:

``Islam, as it is practiced in South Asia, has been proven to keep its followers from progressing and has made them violently intolerant toward other cultures and beliefs. This is exemplified by the Taliban’s recent wanton destruction of Buddha statues aided by the relative inaction of Taliban’s main backers – Islamic Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.

Moorthy asks a very pertinent question that is in the minds of most educated Muslims:

”What are the possibilities of a meaningful Islamic reform taking place in South Asia in the foreseeable future?”

My answer is -- at present, NONE.



It is because the whole community is caught -- in this big DELUSION -- that ALL social, economic, political and administrative LAWS were ALREADY LAID out in the holy Koran 1400 years ago -– for all times to come – and as the FINAL WORD of God they can never be changed or reformed.

This is our biggest misfortune.

It assumes as if God after speaking HIS WORDS to Mohammed in Koran became speechless -- never SPOKE a WORD afterwards – never CREATED anything –since then.



In essence it claims that God’s creativity and creations CEASED after Koran – that is not only blasphemy of the first order – it is a thinking of monumental stupidity – a total bankruptcy of reason and intellect.

He is right about Saudi Arabia as well -- the most regressive Islamic state after Afghanistan --that has the audacity to call the Arabian peninsula as the “ Saudi” Arabia – a personal property of House of Saud! -- that would not allow other faiths to build their places of prayer in Saudi Arabia -- but likes to enjoy the freedom of constructing mosques in other people’s yards -- all over the world.

The only place I disagree with Moorthy is -- his remedy -- it is pure fascistic nonsense trash -- a cheap imitation of the very same Talibani bigotry -- that he so astutely attacks in his column.

People and their obsession with KGS.

Even a time of all round sorrow and suffering(more to come), the mention of that elitist propagating womb KGS(a ssome of us would have one believe) was most out of place, dare i say extraneous. In a tragedy such as this one, a victim from a peeal school wala should be mourned the same way as anyone from KGS. God knows there might not be many peela school wala in that majestic building,(bad on sheer steroetyping propagated by various people onboard). That only KGS people, by virtue of their noble birth, are deserving of such honour as to work for the Big Five, and so we must mourn those fine souls, and forget about the janitors and other humnaity and existed, lived, breated, and met with the same awful fate.

There is more to life than the stupid KGS, and KGSwalay.

Asim

Long live icons of British slavery. We are forever doomed to

RE: Stuka #28

Don`t bother with her. She`s a hypocrite.

your piece captures the chaos of the time well.

its funny how things work out..

i was supposed to be in nyc, studying at

at new school university this semester actually.

so the family is reading tasbeeh`s and namaz -e- shukr

that i didnt go.

this as they beg me to ``disrobe`` my scarf.

madness

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AishaA

the Indian Muslim Problem - Incredible, it is that some Indian Muslims are not seeing the writing on the wall. A stage has been set for the elimination of islam and Muslims in India. behind the ``secular`` and ``democractic`` facade is, and always has been, the fascist Hindutva ideology.

the Hindutva crowd think that by joining with the Israeli and making noises the American may be pleased with, that they will escape detection. What they do not realize is that engagement with them is predicated on attempting to diffuse the militantism of Hindutva ideology.

People from KGS working in NY as indentured
labor?
What is this world coming to?
Well written piece.

Ras

Ref AeishA #: 33

Change every occurrence of the word `India` to `Pakistan`, every occurence of the word `Muslim` to `Hindu`, and you will find that this is exactly what has happened in your country.

So, don`t cry for the Muslims of India. First, cry for the Hindus of Pakistan.

If you claim to be a humanitarian.

On the other hand, you are only a Pakistani.

The two are mutually exclusive.

Oh, go ahead and cry for your Ummah in Chechnya. I am sure the two of you share language, ethnicity, ties of intermarriage, etc.

On the other hand, ignore those Kurds. Aren`t they under the benevolent rule of Turkey, role model for `progressive Pakistanis`? Yeah, the guys who have killed Armenians by the millions and expelled them from their homeland. The guys who have prevented the Kurds from speaking their language or continuing their culture.

Who cares? Those Kurds are probably Shias anyway. After all, only Wahabi Sunnis are humans.

An American perspective:

Words of warning for terrorists

By Luke Ryan

Cavalier Daily Columnist

EVERY NOW and then the pricklies return. And when they do, I know that I am helpless to stop them.

The sensation feels like darkness. It is faceless and consuming. It seems to surround me like black water in a pool and I feel I cannot breathe. It is something terrible. It is evil. It is you.

You have made me feel guilty to smile. You have made me feel ashamed to laugh. You have taken my joy, and I hate you for it.

You have made my father weep and my friends fear. You have shown my baby sister that monsters do in fact exist - that they are not reserved for the bedroom closet or to the dark places in an attic. They are living, speaking, breathing beings, indistinguishable from what is human and what is good.

You have extinguished the lives of children who could not yet even talk and left parents who must now live the rest of their lives never knowing the sound of their child`s voice. You have taken our parents and friends from us. You have killed our countrymen and women for no greater reason than because they believed in the American flag.

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You have invaded our homeland, a place that even we acknowledge as imperfect, but a place that is on the right track, to massacre and devastate. Our country is a place where freedom and equality constantly are being defended and upheld at the risk of preventing such attacks in the future. You have destroyed a fundamental part of our lives and taken away from us what we cherish. And we want to hate you. We will always hate you.

You have embarrassed all of humanity with your gruesome wit and hideous intelligence. Armed only with knives and box cutters, you`ve converted our very own jetliners into flying bombs. You planned an attack that you knew would be videotaped and broadcast into every American home, and hence, into every American heart.

You have taken the innocence of my generation. We are a generation that has not needed to face such casualty or horror, a generation that, perhaps unfairly, has lived during an amazing period of peace. There is peace no longer, and we are trying to come to grips with it. The change already has occurred. We will feel it soon.

You have killed a lifestyle, and for what? We cry for blood; we cry for war; we cry for revenge. And for what? As if the trial and execution of a few fellow human beings could ever alleviate the anguish we are suffering, as if new images of bloodshed or of a new war could ever soothe our wounds.

But you are evil.

You must know that the whole world will never mourn your passing. We will not feel sorrow for your fate or the fate of your followers. We will never sympathize with your ``cause.`` We will not budge one inch, and we will not let this change consume who we are at our core.

We will celebrate the day you are destroyed, and we will work steadfastly and with great strength until that day arrives. We will show courage in the face of pure evil. We will show you soon.

But we do not understand.

Is this what you hoped to accomplish? Is this what you wanted to give to the world? Is this what you wanted to share with humankind?

Why? Why did you attack children? Such an act is not even barbaric. It is incomprehensible. It is sheer, genuine evil. Perhaps that is the only answer, as hollow as it is.

You say you have done this in the name of religion? What religion? We have shown you what religion is. We have come together to pray for peace and to pray for healing. Now we pray for justice.

Justice is coming, and you know it.

Perhaps you simply wanted to show us how much you hate. Perhaps you only wanted us to realize the depths of your hatred. Feel now the depths of our resolve.

We will not be cowed. We will not be afraid of blind darkness wherever we may find it. We will never fear evil. We will never fear you.

You have failed. America is stronger than imagination allows. As one nation, we will respond. As one nation, we will ensure our safety and our children`s safety. You have shown that even they are not safe from your hatred. As one nation, we will make the world safe for all that we cherish.

We will hunt you until you have perished.

As our president said, ``War has been waged against us by stealth and deceit and murder. This nation is peaceful, but fierce when stirred to anger. This conflict was begun on the timing and terms of others. It will end in a way and at an hour of our choosing.``

You have failed. And we are coming to get you.

If you hate America so much, don`t come back. We`re not in the mood to play host anymore. Quit blaming the world`s evil on one country. That`s simplistic and demonstrates the lack of accountability assumed by the developing world. And speaking of racism...what venom lives in the blood of Muslims for Jews. Your Pakistani president`s speech could have been given by Hitler himself. How many Pakistanis even know a Jew. Your hate for Hindus is legendary too. I think you consider them sub-human don`t you. So....don`t talk about racism in the US. Yes, the country has its problems and there have been recent incidents, but not the riots you would expect in Karachi. I have two words for you Pakistanis when you talk about the US, and I will speak them in English...``lay off.`` Now, off with you to go build and support some more terrorist training camps...

What is this ``master`` nonsense? I first read Farangi Kush Sahib using it, and now its become some kind of half wit refrain. Chowkwallahs who are using this ``master`` metaphor, kindly explain, in clearly explained sentences and supporting examples, what this term means.