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Samina #95:

Thanks for the public service announcement; that was rather sharp of you to catch this person(s) numerous identities. Good one :) I for one, don`t even care anymore, these rantings are beyond sick and stupid.

Horribly below intellect and upto par with BS this person has no life, and one can only feel sorry for him/her, but then feel sorry only so much.

Regards,

Kiran

Ref saminashah #: 95

[The other designations are Aamir, Shah, Bapu, Deepika, Fatima, Faiza, Sadhna, Studebaker, Bhardwaj, Lajwanti and Brad Cruise.

This is a public service announcement. Thank you.]

Brad Cruise? Shitt Pitt is more like it.

Samina #95:

Thanks for the public service announcement; that was rather sharp of you to catch this person(s) numerous identities. Good one :) I for one, don`t even care anymore, these rantings are beyond sick and stupid.

Horribly below intellect and upto par with BS this person has no life, and one can only feel sorry for him/her, but then feel sorry only so much.

Regards,

Kiran

Re: Deepika/Shah/Bapu/Aamir/Biaaatch #113

Calm down, I`m sure there`s a willing dog somewhere for you. Or is it little boys from madrassah you are after?

Thanks Saminashah. For a time it was sort of fun to respond this moron, but even that is getting tiring so I am no longer doing so.

I would love to hear about that meeting. Please do write about it. Is this some kind of organization that one can join? Do let me know.

Jawahara,

You`re welcome.:) Sadna was my support system. As you see, our resident multiple personality case will get worse. I suggest that you not respond to him unless you are doing it for sport (but then I think having root canal is preferable to conversations with Mr. MPD). However, even if you choose to respond for sport or more altruistic reasons, this person will follow you around the boards, becoming progressively insulting and harrassing, esp. if you are female. Mr. MPD just doesn`t understand that this is considered inappropriate behavior, nor does he care-thats the pathological part. You are right, the level of composition is fairly consistant.

BTW, I just attended an anti-war South Asian-American planning committee which I will try to write about. A group of 150 lovely and brilliant Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Buddhists, hetero and gay, doctors, lawyers, professors,labor organizers and artists all in one room. It was incredibly powerful. Let me know if you are interested in finding out about what we are doing.

regards!

Re: Deepika

``I have seen hindu boys like you .They go extra mile in wooing muslim girls like AICHA,& SMINASHAH,even though she has a busy muslim hubby ,`not spending much time with her` ,so see hankers for those above ``wah`` ``Wah`` ``Wah` tareef fron hindu hankering boys like you .``

And I have seen inbreds like you go the extra mile in wooing stray dogs in the neighborhood for some ``bhow bhow bhow`` tareef to bolster your damaged self esteem

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Nobody`s wooing anyone Deepika - this is what is called a FREE dialog and is considered V NORMAL. I suggest you take part in it too rather tahn sulking and feeling left out!! And in future pls leave my name out of your posts! Thkyou -

Jwahra stop depressing every body with your sissy tears.In bangladesh fight muslim women gave there lives like Fatimah (r.A,) & like Aeisha(r.A,) went out with men to face Pakistani Army.

Both your articles are nothing but Wailing wall of how much painfull & fearfull & Scared frightened,you are.If you are afraid of high rise & aeroplanes then you have succumbed to your faint heart .Derive inspiration from Islam & early muslims Fatimah & Aeisha

If you want to be informed of BEHIND THE SCENE actions of FBI,CIA,MOSSAD,Counter TERRORISM,ASSASINATION without tear or blinking of eyes of the same grand presidents whom Jery Farwell & Pat Robertson bless with New & altered polluted BIBLE ,IN THE NAME OF GOD,whom shamless sinner ,in public crying for GOD -hypocrites

http://geocities.com/americanterrorism/

Did i not say TERRORISM linked with U.S. Foreign POLICY ?

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/011004/6/bfeo.html



Women must work to temper U.S. `cowboy` response to terror crisis, says group

By STEPHEN THORNE



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OTTAWA (CP) - Canadian women should focus on tempering America`s ``cowboy-inspired`` response to the terrorist attacks in the U.S. and push for justice through the courts, a major women`s group said Thursday.

The Canadian Women`s March Committee also defended the right of Sunera Thobani, a well-known feminist, to make a controversial link between the attacks and U.S. foreign policy. Thobani, former head of the National Action Committee on the Status of Women, told a conference on Tuesday that Canadian women should not be coerced into supporting a U.S. foreign policy that is ``soaked in blood.``

The March Committee emphasized that women have more pressing issues to address than blame.

``War is not the answer to the atrocious crime against humanity committed on Sept. 11, 2001,`` said the group, which says it represents a majority of women`s organizations across Canada.

NAC vice-president Denise Andrea Campbell said Thursday that Thobani broadened discussion on the issue and put some context to the attacks.

``We really support her right - and, actually, all Canadians` right - to ask: why is this happening?`` Campbell told a news conference.

``But on behalf of women across the country . . . we are certainly more interested in looking at the immediate issue at hand, which is: how do we respond to what has happened?``

The committee opposes what it calls U.S. President George W. Bush`s ``vengeful and war-mongering response`` to the attacks. It says the world should follow United Nations guidelines and seek justice in courts of law.

``We expect our governments to lead through compassion, justice and respect for the dignity of all people,`` said the committee declaration.

There is no justification for a full-scale military response to the attacks under UN-defined grounds of self-defence, said Andree Cote, director of law reform at the National Association of Women and the Law.

``It`s so very dangerous in times like this to have unilateral, cowboy-inspired actions that will create possibly a lot of deaths of innocent civilians and international unrest,`` said Cote.

Thobani, a women`s studies professor at University of British Columbia, called the United States ``the most dangerous and the most powerful global force unleashing horrific levels of violence`` in the world today.

Her remarks were condemned by politicians and others as outrageous.

Cote said the reaction to Thobani`s statements has been more troubling than the statements themselves.

``I think this is one of the reasons that we`re opposing war,`` said Cote.

``It creates a climate of intolerance; it creates a climate where basic civil liberties can be violated, where basic freedom of expression is put in jeopardy. We`re very worried by this type of thing.``

She said media and other responses to Thobani`s speech harkened back to the 1950s era of U.S. Senator Joseph McCarthy, who conducted a witchhunt for phantom communists, destroying many innocent lives in the process.

``We want to have a democratic discussion on how to solve this horrible crisis,`` said Cote.

Campbell described Canada`s response so far as an encouraging reinforcement of the country`s traditional values of humanitarianism and peace.

shankar #301: Thanks for the kind words.

As for my submitting articles, I have been helping out a close friend in a story he is writing. Chowk has kindly published the first three chapters. The fourth chapter was submitted a while back, but hasn`t shown up yet. That story will get into the depths of all these issues, including jehadis, in a much more detailed and entertaining manner, than anything I can write.

Let`s hope Chowk publishes his fourth chapter. Although, I think it seems like that may not happen.

Khushwant Singh is perhaps my favorite Indian writer. He was born in the village of Hadali. Which is in in heart of Pakistan Punjab`s rural belt, on the Mianwali-Sargodha road. I was stationed close to there, and used to pass by Khushwant`s birthplace weekly. Had I known it back then, I would have stopped by to pay homage. I am sure he could write in much more detail than me, about Pakistan`s feudal problems, since he was born in the feudal area.

Khushwant Singh, along with Ashwariya Rai, Daler Menhdi, Azim Premji and General Sam Mackenshaw (is he dead?) are the five Indians I would love to meet. For different reasons of course; I would like to go on a date with Azim Premji, discuss computers with Khushwant, literature with Daler Mehndi, talk military strategy with Ashwariya, and hear Mackenshaw sing (I may have gotten the interests mixed up, here :))

Interestingly Khushwant Singh and I have nearly identical solution for Indo-Pakistan`s Kashmir problem: i.e. POK goes to Pakistan, Ladakh and Jammu go to India, the Valley of Kashmir becomes independent within some sort of autonomous framwork between India and Pakistan. Interestingly, Mahatma Gandhi had a similar solution. Due to my Muzzafarabad domicile in POK, according to the Indian Constitution, I am actually an Indian. I have always wondered, why all us sane Indians like Khushwant, Gandhi, and myself keep coming up with identical solutions for the Kashmir problem :-)

Pakistan inherited a much more backwards society than India at partition. The area that became Pakistan was the boondocks of the Sub-Continent. Most Indians do not realize this; nor do many Pakistanis, infact. The only educated class of Pakistanis was the one that migrated from India. It indeed goes to the credit of Pakistanis that they brought themselves to the same level as India, and even passed it economically. within fifteen years (although India is now even or back ahead of Pakistan, economically).

Who will bell the cat? God knows. Anyone who gets into the position of belling the cat, realizes that joining the cat family is much more lucrative, and marries into it. A good example is Zia-ul-Haq`s son and Ayub Khans` son joining the power 4 nexus through alliance with feudal parties and marraiges, respectively.

Musharraf is doing his best, and his son doesn`t seem to be interested in joining the power 4 nexus. But Musharraf can only do so much, specially now that everyone from the religious right to the feudals are ganging up on him, since they know he is going to break the nexus as well as eliminate the religious extreme right (even traditional arch enemies hamidm and Urstruly are forming a coalition). And I don`t know how he is going to legitimize himself, without power 4 nexus taking all kinds of shots at him.

But hopefully now people understand why election after election, under the current system, is never going to solve Pakistan`s problems. It is just going to strengthen the feudals, and the power 4 nexus. That is why I oppose the system of democracy that currently exists in Pakistan. And that is why the feudals are this system`s biggest supporters. If fits their needs, perfectly.

I myself support Imran Khan`s party, and hope to be there during the elections, supporting one of his candidates. Unfortunately, Imran Khan`s party is completely out of the power 4 nexus, and hence cannot do much.

If the religious relatively moderate right like Qazi Hussein Ahmad`s Jamaat-i-Islami come into power, I am quite sure they will break the nexus completely. The nexus is sh//t scared of them, and their street power and fearlessness. The JI plans to completely alter the military, and tear apart the feudals. Their membership actually consists of lower middle class Pakistanis (non power 4 nexus members). However, since they are not part of the nexus in Pakistan, they never win elections, in rural Pakistan. And urban Pakistanis do not vote for them because urbanites in Pakistan dislike maulvis. Even more dangerous is the fact, that all religious right parties have so much baggage of their own, and such hypocritical leadership, and have such extremist views on many issues, that even though they will break the nexus, they may create even bigger problems for Pakistan.

The one party that has (had) the potential of breaking the nexus is (was) MQM of Karachi. It is the only powerful middle-class, educated (leadership consists of a lot of medical doctors and small business owners), liberal, non-power 4 nexus party in Pakistan. However, its leadership has lost its ways completely, and has turned the party into its own occupying force of urban Sindh. If MQM can get good leadership, and lose its paronoia that all non-Muhajirs are looking to destroy Muhajirs, it can spread to other urban centers of Pakistan, like Lahore. I would certainly become a big supporter. It could then unite urban Pakistan under one flag. At that point urban lower, middle and upper-middle class Pakistanis, as one force, could take out the powerful feudals. Currently, however urban Pakistan is divided amongst six or so different political parties (MQM, PML, PPP, ANP, Jammat-i-Islami, Tehrik-e-Insaaf, etc.).

Let`s see how much Musharraf can do, before the power 4 nexus takes him out; which will happen sooner or later. Luckily, unlike Zia`s son and Ayub Khan`s sons, Musharraf is not tempted to join this nexus, and hates their guts (except for the military part of the nexus, from which he currently draws his own power).

Neptune, see the demarcation line used by Shah, * is the same used by AVR. Who has time in the world to do that? Unless you are used to do things in certain ways. If Shah and Bapu are the same face then AVR got to be the same person. Also names like Arrested Development and AVR are the expressions of same mind, elaborate yet abstract.

Sorry AVR, although you took my side in the war with Bapu, I have doubts about you :).

Thanks saminashah, for the public service announcement.:-) I appreciate it.

Despite all the 12 different identities (the bats at twilight) this person is not smart enough to try and disguiuse his/her writing style. They are all equally incoherent, rambling, badly written posts.

Neptune

It is my pleasure! I personally liked your line; ``step on the toes of one, and the other eleven will start screaming...``

shima

this phenomena defies understanding. nonetheless, I think every new female Chowkwallah must be warned. Every week, someone should post a message on each board.

regards