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``I do not think that revising the book would help, for no one would pay attention to the changes. Another `jihad` would break out against those who would try to do such an `unholy` act. Long-term solution in my opinion is education and the short-term goal should be to cut all financial help. I for one have completely stopped giving chanda (something i religiously did) for jihad in Kashmir.

It`s time for peace.

``

Very true.

PS My family and I never gave any chanda to RSS and Bajrang dal. And I will never give them any chanda in future.

I completely agree with temporal. ALL innocent lives are precious and must be protected at every cost. But as sac pointed out it is not fair to give this responsibility to the U.S only. Everybody should join in. The other countries are not completely without resources.

Re Jay # 24

I do not think that revising the book would help, for no one would pay attention to the changes. Another `jihad` would break out against those who would try to do such an `unholy` act. Long-term solution in my opinion is education and the short-term goal should be to cut all financial help. I for one have completely stopped giving chanda (something i religiously did) for jihad in Kashmir.

It`s time for peace.

nasah #19
You should hear this:

http://freshair.npr.org/dayFA.cfm?display=day&todayDate=09%2F25%2F2001

Teri Gross of Fresh Air talks to journalist Sebastian Junger who ``.. traveled to Afghanistan [last year] to profile Ahmad Shah Massoud..``

naah #19 That foreign secretary deserves to be fired - even assuming he was speaking from what he perceives to be in the interests of Pakistan, he could have something more constructive like not wishing to replace one dictatorial government (taliban) with another (Northern Alliance). And provided some reasonable solution (e.g. UN protectorate in Afghanistan perhaps for three or four years until the Afghan society is back on it`s feet).

September 26, 2001

Forget ,the right to privacy ,miranda rights & 5th Amendment ,your trail will speak volume of you WITHOUT YOU HAVING TO TELL THEM.

TOOLS FOR THE AFTERMATH

In Investigation, Internet Offers Clues and Static

By JOHN SCHWARTZ[]

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/26/technology/ebusiness/26SCHW.html

September 26, 2001

Forget ,the right to privacy ,miranda rights & 5th Amendment ,your trail will speak volume of you WITHOUT YOU HAVING TO TELL THEM.

TOOLS FOR THE AFTERMATH

In Investigation, Internet Offers Clues and Static

By JOHN SCHWARTZ[]

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/26/technology/ebusiness/26SCHW.html

Jawahara,

A really emotional piece that was well written. You write very well. I liked this as I think it expressed a lot of thoughts that many people are thinking right now.

A DIFFERENT WORLD

``let me re-state in no un-equivocal words...those who perpetrated these ghastly acts must pay for their deeds...``

THAT IS TEMPORAL IN #20. I do agree with that, the perpetrators should be tried...sorry...they are dead, with the crime.

All other people associated with the crime are only circumstantial, there can be no `proof` that is acceptable to the ones who broadly accept the premise of those crimes, who finds `dichotomy` every where.

This style of crime is part of the world, there is no way this can stopped, let alone eliminated. All that is possible is some containement measures, like the foot and mouth decease in cattle, one can kill a few, isolate others, have some preventive actions. There is one last possiblity, to mutate the virus so that it is no more. Can any one revise the book.

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jawahara,

even this article of yours reads like a movie, very sad but uplifting at the end.

t-bhai #20,

well said.

I was watching one of those News channel ``Town Meetings`` the other day, in which several young people were speaking about this tragedy.

One girl stood out in particular, she had lost her father in the WTC attack. She was very calm and told everyone that her father would not have wanted innocents to be killed in retaliation. Just as she had lost an innocent loved one, she doesn`t want others in the world to suffer the same fate.

If that isn`t noble, I don`t know what is.

I do think that the US will be more careful in it`s current war strategy, to try their best to avoid civilian casualties. Who knows though.

To try and translate the Urdu lines of Poet Ahmad Faraz:

``The flood of blood has reached the streets of
the city Faraz
And you are happy that its time to go home?``


Well wriiten as usual JS.

Ras

sac #16 and karakoram #18:

...having re-read my previous posts I apologize for failing to fully postulate my views that give rise to the erroneous impression that I fault ONLY the US...no so...

...let me re-state in no un-equivocal words...those who perpetrated these ghastly acts must pay for their deeds...but we have to make sure only those responsible get hurt not the innocent bystander...and WE should be on guard for any future terrorist attacks on ANY innocent civilian ANYWHERE in the world...

...and at the same time WE should seek ways to eliminate or diminish the CAUSES that lead to such ghastly acts...have said enough on that already...one without the other would serve no purpose other than perpetuating this endless cycle..

rgds,

t

``We must not make the blunder of trying to foist a government on the people of Afghanistan,`` (FM, Abdul Sattar)

To foist a government could never be a bigger blunder -- than the MOTHER of all BLUNDERS -- ie to ``foist`` a bunch of religious hoodlum Talibans -- on the shoulders of hapless men and WOMEN of Afghanistan -- as was done by the ``brilliant`` Pakitan army.

The West owes it to Afghanistan.

Afghanistan DOES need a multiethnic normal government -- it did not exactly ``elect`` -- the Talibans -- the illegitimate Rosemary Babies of West`s anti communist crusade.

re temporal #14:

temporal:

Apart from the moral standpoint, why is it the US`s responibility to be fair and equitable in its dealings? Where is the responsibility of the rest of the world? A call for more rational US behaviour implicitly accepts US hagemony in world affairs. Is that hagemony no matter how fair the right thing for the rest of the world?

The US will never get it right no matter how hard it tries if it keeps getting into questions of morality rather than personal interests. That is the lesson the rest of the world needs to imbibe. The Muslims need to be introspective and figure it out for themselves how their religion needs to be reformed. Leaving it to the yankees will cause nothing but more problems.

later

-sac

temporal # 14:

The dichotomies, and greivances, perceived or real, intentional or unintentional will always remain in every society, in every people. That does not mean that we should not work to improve on the situation or make people aware and understand/communicate better with each other.

However, people who preach non-communication, hate, intolerance, death, or suicide are a part of the problem and need to be dealt with. So-called Muslims like Osama/Taliban and Co. have no plans for reconciliation or tolerance. Their awoved goal is to cleanse their immediate vicinty of people who do not agree with their brand of religion and take it from there to the rest of the Ummah and so on. I could go on... but we are all aware of their ideology and the means through which they enforce it. They are a part of the problem and need to be `fixed`.

We will always be susceptible to attacks, but if we don`t stop these madmen in their tracks, they will gain a stronger foothold and will become more violent, vocal, & powerful as they have over the years in Pakistan.

I don`t agree with violence... Similarly in this case violence is not the solution... people need to have more choices (jihad or ??smoke weed, be creative, make music, masturbate, pray, work, travel, procreate, help others, etc.)... whatever, but destructive choices need to be eliminated and should be discouraged and not made easily available...

A complex situation with no easy answers.... save for one: Get those responsible making the situation worse for everyone and make them pay.