Zeejah October 2, 2001
#67 Posted by Zahra on October 4, 2001 6:54:43 pm
Sac:
Kindly route your friend to the following show. In fact, sit with him and address his questions that may arise from the following session. That way you yourself will feel great[cannot guarantee though]. I sensed some despondency in your post and thought of referring you to the following site/program.
Good Luck!
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OPRAH TO OFFER ``ISLAM 101``
http://www.oprah.com
On Friday, October 5, the Oprah Winfrey Show will discuss basic Islamic beliefs in a program called ``Islam 101.``
FROM THE OPRAH.COM WEB SITE: ``Since our world was horribly shaken three weeks ago, all eyes have focused on a part of the world and a set of
beliefs that many of us know very little about.
``We`re told that terrorism violates the teachings of Islam, but what is Islam? Who are Muslims? What are their practices?
``Even if you think you know the answers, this show is for you.``
FEEDBACK: http://www.oprah.com/email/tows/email_tows_main.jhtml
Kindly route your friend to the following show. In fact, sit with him and address his questions that may arise from the following session. That way you yourself will feel great[cannot guarantee though]. I sensed some despondency in your post and thought of referring you to the following site/program.
Good Luck!
-- -- -- --
OPRAH TO OFFER ``ISLAM 101``
http://www.oprah.com
On Friday, October 5, the Oprah Winfrey Show will discuss basic Islamic beliefs in a program called ``Islam 101.``
FROM THE OPRAH.COM WEB SITE: ``Since our world was horribly shaken three weeks ago, all eyes have focused on a part of the world and a set of
beliefs that many of us know very little about.
``We`re told that terrorism violates the teachings of Islam, but what is Islam? Who are Muslims? What are their practices?
``Even if you think you know the answers, this show is for you.``
FEEDBACK: http://www.oprah.com/email/tows/email_tows_main.jhtml
#66 Posted by Fatimah on October 4, 2001 3:00:56 pm
Did i not say TERRORISM linked with U.S. Foreign POLICY ?
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/011004/6/bfeo.html
Women must work to temper U.S. `cowboy` response to terror crisis, says group
By STEPHEN THORNE
Click to enlarge photo
OTTAWA (CP) - Canadian women should focus on tempering America`s ``cowboy-inspired`` response to the terrorist attacks in the U.S. and push for justice through the courts, a major women`s group said Thursday.
The Canadian Women`s March Committee also defended the right of Sunera Thobani, a well-known feminist, to make a controversial link between the attacks and U.S. foreign policy. Thobani, former head of the National Action Committee on the Status of Women, told a conference on Tuesday that Canadian women should not be coerced into supporting a U.S. foreign policy that is ``soaked in blood.``
The March Committee emphasized that women have more pressing issues to address than blame.
``War is not the answer to the atrocious crime against humanity committed on Sept. 11, 2001,`` said the group, which says it represents a majority of women`s organizations across Canada.
NAC vice-president Denise Andrea Campbell said Thursday that Thobani broadened discussion on the issue and put some context to the attacks.
``We really support her right - and, actually, all Canadians` right - to ask: why is this happening?`` Campbell told a news conference.
``But on behalf of women across the country . . . we are certainly more interested in looking at the immediate issue at hand, which is: how do we respond to what has happened?``
The committee opposes what it calls U.S. President George W. Bush`s ``vengeful and war-mongering response`` to the attacks. It says the world should follow United Nations guidelines and seek justice in courts of law.
``We expect our governments to lead through compassion, justice and respect for the dignity of all people,`` said the committee declaration.
There is no justification for a full-scale military response to the attacks under UN-defined grounds of self-defence, said Andree Cote, director of law reform at the National Association of Women and the Law.
``It`s so very dangerous in times like this to have unilateral, cowboy-inspired actions that will create possibly a lot of deaths of innocent civilians and international unrest,`` said Cote.
Thobani, a women`s studies professor at University of British Columbia, called the United States ``the most dangerous and the most powerful global force unleashing horrific levels of violence`` in the world today.
Her remarks were condemned by politicians and others as outrageous.
Cote said the reaction to Thobani`s statements has been more troubling than the statements themselves.
``I think this is one of the reasons that we`re opposing war,`` said Cote.
``It creates a climate of intolerance; it creates a climate where basic civil liberties can be violated, where basic freedom of expression is put in jeopardy. We`re very worried by this type of thing.``
She said media and other responses to Thobani`s speech harkened back to the 1950s era of U.S. Senator Joseph McCarthy, who conducted a witchhunt for phantom communists, destroying many innocent lives in the process.
``We want to have a democratic discussion on how to solve this horrible crisis,`` said Cote.
Campbell described Canada`s response so far as an encouraging reinforcement of the country`s traditional values of humanitarianism and peace.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/011004/6/bfeo.html
Women must work to temper U.S. `cowboy` response to terror crisis, says group
By STEPHEN THORNE
Click to enlarge photo
OTTAWA (CP) - Canadian women should focus on tempering America`s ``cowboy-inspired`` response to the terrorist attacks in the U.S. and push for justice through the courts, a major women`s group said Thursday.
The Canadian Women`s March Committee also defended the right of Sunera Thobani, a well-known feminist, to make a controversial link between the attacks and U.S. foreign policy. Thobani, former head of the National Action Committee on the Status of Women, told a conference on Tuesday that Canadian women should not be coerced into supporting a U.S. foreign policy that is ``soaked in blood.``
The March Committee emphasized that women have more pressing issues to address than blame.
``War is not the answer to the atrocious crime against humanity committed on Sept. 11, 2001,`` said the group, which says it represents a majority of women`s organizations across Canada.
NAC vice-president Denise Andrea Campbell said Thursday that Thobani broadened discussion on the issue and put some context to the attacks.
``We really support her right - and, actually, all Canadians` right - to ask: why is this happening?`` Campbell told a news conference.
``But on behalf of women across the country . . . we are certainly more interested in looking at the immediate issue at hand, which is: how do we respond to what has happened?``
The committee opposes what it calls U.S. President George W. Bush`s ``vengeful and war-mongering response`` to the attacks. It says the world should follow United Nations guidelines and seek justice in courts of law.
``We expect our governments to lead through compassion, justice and respect for the dignity of all people,`` said the committee declaration.
There is no justification for a full-scale military response to the attacks under UN-defined grounds of self-defence, said Andree Cote, director of law reform at the National Association of Women and the Law.
``It`s so very dangerous in times like this to have unilateral, cowboy-inspired actions that will create possibly a lot of deaths of innocent civilians and international unrest,`` said Cote.
Thobani, a women`s studies professor at University of British Columbia, called the United States ``the most dangerous and the most powerful global force unleashing horrific levels of violence`` in the world today.
Her remarks were condemned by politicians and others as outrageous.
Cote said the reaction to Thobani`s statements has been more troubling than the statements themselves.
``I think this is one of the reasons that we`re opposing war,`` said Cote.
``It creates a climate of intolerance; it creates a climate where basic civil liberties can be violated, where basic freedom of expression is put in jeopardy. We`re very worried by this type of thing.``
She said media and other responses to Thobani`s speech harkened back to the 1950s era of U.S. Senator Joseph McCarthy, who conducted a witchhunt for phantom communists, destroying many innocent lives in the process.
``We want to have a democratic discussion on how to solve this horrible crisis,`` said Cote.
Campbell described Canada`s response so far as an encouraging reinforcement of the country`s traditional values of humanitarianism and peace.
#64 Posted by tahmed321 on October 4, 2001 1:55:36 pm
OK friends, it is official. According to the business section of the Washington Post today, more and more people in the US are going to internet sites to get the latest info on the current crisis. The article then notes www.Dawn.com (the Paki newspaper) as one of the most popular places for this. I guess I wasnt alone in thinking that Dawn had more up to date news on the crisis in Afghanistan than any other site. Who knows: for expert opinions on latest news as delivered by Dawn, and for good laughs, the WP may quote www.Chowk.com next!
BTW: Last night, long after BBC and CNN had reported that the Indian hijacking was a false alarm, the German news from Berlin was still reporting a hijacking. All they have to do in Europe it seems is listen to BBC and then just relay the news. Or better yet, read Dawn.
BTW: Last night, long after BBC and CNN had reported that the Indian hijacking was a false alarm, the German news from Berlin was still reporting a hijacking. All they have to do in Europe it seems is listen to BBC and then just relay the news. Or better yet, read Dawn.
#63 Posted by Shah on October 4, 2001 1:55:36 pm
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#62 Posted by zeejah on October 4, 2001 1:55:36 pm
Please, please stop this spewing of poison... pakistanis as well as indians... you are all (presumably)educated, thinking ppl... the depts of crudity and vulgarity that some have reached in their remarks is sickening!!!
isnt there enuf hatred in the world today?
is this the poison we plan to hand over to the generations that follow?
`Terrorism` is the result of blind hatred... and it can be directed in any direction a shrewd, cynical leader wishes as in Mark Anthony`s words `Mischief thou art afoot, take what course thou wilt``
isnt there enuf hatred in the world today?
is this the poison we plan to hand over to the generations that follow?
`Terrorism` is the result of blind hatred... and it can be directed in any direction a shrewd, cynical leader wishes as in Mark Anthony`s words `Mischief thou art afoot, take what course thou wilt``
#60 Posted by sarwar on October 4, 2001 1:55:36 pm
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#59 Posted by stuka on October 4, 2001 1:55:36 pm
Grateful Pakistan celebrates Bush`s statement
Ali Mohammad Gandullah
Islamabad: Celebrations broke out and sweets were distributed in the streets of the capital after US President George Bush announced Pakistan`s inclusion in the Failed State Charity Club and a grant of two hundred dollars.
Foreign Secratary Bhikhari Khan Bhadva told reporters that Pakistan was ``pleased`` and ``indebted`` for Powell`s kind words. ``We have been trying to draw the world`s attention towards our financially and morally bankrupt country, but no one was paying attention to us. Only after President Musharraf sent his daughter to perform a table dance at the White House was some pity taken on us``, he said.
Foreign Minister Kameen Jat Khan sounded even more positive. ``Our coming generations will be grateful to President Bush``, he said. He also said that Pakistan has asked all of its provinces to provide 50 women each for the American soldiers, if they ever decide to use the Pakistani bases and facilities. He said that we would have done ``more`` but for the precarious male/female ratio in the country`s population. Since most Pakistani men are gay, the females have to go to neighboring India to get some satisfaction, he explained. In response to a question he said that we can always ``provide`` Musharraf himself and Hamid Gul if there is a battallion from San Francisco`s Castro district.
He contemptously dismissed a reported statement by Maulana Manhoos Azhar in which the Maulana had accused the Indians of being a nation of castrated eunuchs which was not willing to fight its own wars. ``They have been beaten us for the past 50 years``, he said. ``It is we who are the Eunuchs, allowing the Taliban and the Indians to walk all over us.`` President Musharaff was not available as he was busy getting a massage at Faisal Mosque.
Ali Mohammad Gandullah
Islamabad: Celebrations broke out and sweets were distributed in the streets of the capital after US President George Bush announced Pakistan`s inclusion in the Failed State Charity Club and a grant of two hundred dollars.
Foreign Secratary Bhikhari Khan Bhadva told reporters that Pakistan was ``pleased`` and ``indebted`` for Powell`s kind words. ``We have been trying to draw the world`s attention towards our financially and morally bankrupt country, but no one was paying attention to us. Only after President Musharraf sent his daughter to perform a table dance at the White House was some pity taken on us``, he said.
Foreign Minister Kameen Jat Khan sounded even more positive. ``Our coming generations will be grateful to President Bush``, he said. He also said that Pakistan has asked all of its provinces to provide 50 women each for the American soldiers, if they ever decide to use the Pakistani bases and facilities. He said that we would have done ``more`` but for the precarious male/female ratio in the country`s population. Since most Pakistani men are gay, the females have to go to neighboring India to get some satisfaction, he explained. In response to a question he said that we can always ``provide`` Musharraf himself and Hamid Gul if there is a battallion from San Francisco`s Castro district.
He contemptously dismissed a reported statement by Maulana Manhoos Azhar in which the Maulana had accused the Indians of being a nation of castrated eunuchs which was not willing to fight its own wars. ``They have been beaten us for the past 50 years``, he said. ``It is we who are the Eunuchs, allowing the Taliban and the Indians to walk all over us.`` President Musharaff was not available as he was busy getting a massage at Faisal Mosque.
#58 Posted by jay on October 4, 2001 1:55:36 pm
CHANGING THE DURRAND LINE,
The british given validity of the durrand line, seperating afghansitans and pakistan ended nine years ago. It may be time to redraw it, and the tribal areas of pakistan should be given an option where to go.
It is so tragic to see musheraff asking for talks with the northern alliance. When taliban was in power, pakistan refused even to acknowledge the northern alliance.
By the way how about the southern alliance, I am talking about the south of pakistan, the MQM RAW alliance.
The british given validity of the durrand line, seperating afghansitans and pakistan ended nine years ago. It may be time to redraw it, and the tribal areas of pakistan should be given an option where to go.
It is so tragic to see musheraff asking for talks with the northern alliance. When taliban was in power, pakistan refused even to acknowledge the northern alliance.
By the way how about the southern alliance, I am talking about the south of pakistan, the MQM RAW alliance.
#57 Posted by jay on October 4, 2001 1:55:36 pm
same genus, different species,
Newyork bombing, kashmir killings, philippine hijackings, kenya bombings, they are done by peole of different species, but of the same genus. Their lives evolved a value system that has sustaioned violence for so long.
Because men get killed in these operations, this genus has developed polygamy to provide contnuing supply of youngsters. The women are not allowed to learn anything and are not part of the economy, because the wealth is essentially obtained by invasions. Women have to simply produce the soldiers. This is a genus that hasnt changed in a thousand years, adapting to the changing environment is a taboo to this genus.
Newyork bombing, kashmir killings, philippine hijackings, kenya bombings, they are done by peole of different species, but of the same genus. Their lives evolved a value system that has sustaioned violence for so long.
Because men get killed in these operations, this genus has developed polygamy to provide contnuing supply of youngsters. The women are not allowed to learn anything and are not part of the economy, because the wealth is essentially obtained by invasions. Women have to simply produce the soldiers. This is a genus that hasnt changed in a thousand years, adapting to the changing environment is a taboo to this genus.
#56 Posted by RanaRansher on October 4, 2001 11:08:17 am
Well DOne Jihadis,
Another successful jihad campaign successful. Another plane down. Please tell us how people were moving around in 7th century Arabia. Are those ways of transport Islamic.
May you get slammed by your own Jihad.
Another successful jihad campaign successful. Another plane down. Please tell us how people were moving around in 7th century Arabia. Are those ways of transport Islamic.
May you get slammed by your own Jihad.
#55 Posted by hobbyty on October 4, 2001 3:22:32 am
From Business recorder - dated Oct. 04, 2001
``Red alert at airports sounded as RAW`s plot to hijack plane unearthed
QUETTA : Indian secret service, Research and Analysis Wing (RAW), is said to have chalked out a plan to stage a calculated plane hijack drama involving Pakistan to meet its clandestine ends. ``The sensitive security agencies of Pakistan have intercepted a conversation among the RAW officers, revealing that the RAW intends to hijack a plane of a big air line to bring it to Pakistan in a bid to get Pakistan declared a terrorist state,`` said the high placed sources here.
According to the sources, the government of Pakistan has sounded a high alert at all the airports in the country to thwart such a conspiracy by India.
The security has also been beefed up in view of the emerging situation, and the aviation authorities have been directed not to allow any such plane to land on the Pakistani soil.
It is pertinent to note here that soon after the September 11 terror attacks in New York and Washington, the Indian government had offered its airspace and military bases to the United States for any potential military action against the perpetrators and harbourers of these attacks.
Similarly, the Indian authorities had also issued a fake statement of the Jaish-e-Muhammad for its alleged claiming of the Monday`s suicidal car bomb attack in front of the State Assembly in the occupied Kashmir to misguide the world opinion towards the freedom struggle in occupied Kashmir.
It may recalled that the Jaish-e-Muhammad on
Tuesday forcefully refuted its involvement in the Monday`s car blast in occupied Srinagar, terming it a deep conspiracy by the Indian agencies to malign the freedom struggle.-NNI``
#54 Posted by rsaxena on October 4, 2001 3:22:32 am
Pakistani shalwars getting wet. Ali gearing up to offer behind to allay Mullahs.
From the BBC
``Pakistan fears Kashmir fallout
By George Arney in Pakistan-controlled Kashmir
The guns are silent along the Line of Control that separates Indian and Pakistani forces.
A ceasefire has been observed by both sides here for the past nine months.
On the Pakistani side, we walked through the trench system with our Pakistani hosts and, showed ourselves quite openly to Indian soldiers in their post just a 100 metres away.
We waved; they waved back.
Despite the peaceful atmosphere in these mountains, Pakistani forces are on high alert.
Militant groups
One of Islamabad`s main concerns in the current crisis is that India might take advantage of Pakistan`s preoccupation with the situation over its other border with Afghanistan.
Kashmiri militants may be targets of anti-terror campaign
On our journey through the hills of Pakistan-administered Kashmir, we have seen no sign of any militant groups.
But the latest issue of Jane`s Intelligence Review says that there are 91 militant training camps in this region.
One Pakistan-based militant group fighting in Kashmir, the Harakatul Mujahideen, has been identified by Washington as a terrorist group.
There is some concern in Islamabad that Kashmiri militant groups could come to be targeted by the US in its war against terrorism.
Last week, US Secretary of State Colin Powell said that some Kashmiri militant groups might be targets of the US anti-terrorist campaign.
But it is also hoped that a greater focus on this troubled region by the international community could increase the pressure for a negotiated settlement to this 54-year-old conflict.``
From the BBC
``Pakistan fears Kashmir fallout
By George Arney in Pakistan-controlled Kashmir
The guns are silent along the Line of Control that separates Indian and Pakistani forces.
A ceasefire has been observed by both sides here for the past nine months.
On the Pakistani side, we walked through the trench system with our Pakistani hosts and, showed ourselves quite openly to Indian soldiers in their post just a 100 metres away.
We waved; they waved back.
Despite the peaceful atmosphere in these mountains, Pakistani forces are on high alert.
Militant groups
One of Islamabad`s main concerns in the current crisis is that India might take advantage of Pakistan`s preoccupation with the situation over its other border with Afghanistan.
Kashmiri militants may be targets of anti-terror campaign
On our journey through the hills of Pakistan-administered Kashmir, we have seen no sign of any militant groups.
But the latest issue of Jane`s Intelligence Review says that there are 91 militant training camps in this region.
One Pakistan-based militant group fighting in Kashmir, the Harakatul Mujahideen, has been identified by Washington as a terrorist group.
There is some concern in Islamabad that Kashmiri militant groups could come to be targeted by the US in its war against terrorism.
Last week, US Secretary of State Colin Powell said that some Kashmiri militant groups might be targets of the US anti-terrorist campaign.
But it is also hoped that a greater focus on this troubled region by the international community could increase the pressure for a negotiated settlement to this 54-year-old conflict.``
#53 Posted by Romair on October 3, 2001 11:09:52 pm
I am sure the Indians will blame the hijacking on Pakistan. It is however going to be interesting to see exactly how many Indians blame this hijacking on Pakistan:-) The actual story is that it was a false alarm. How in the world can a hijacking be a false alarm? Never heard that one before. Here are two takes on it.
``Indian hijack was `false alarm`
Police and troops at New Delhi`s international airport
Passengers aboard an Indian plane that was reported hijacked have left the aircraft at New Delhi airport. The Indian civil aviation minister said that the reported attack had been ``a false alarm``.`` (http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_1578000/1578148.stm)
``Indian ploy to defame Pakistan: spokesman
By our correspondent
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan intelligence officials had intercepted some Indian officials talk two days ago that India is planning to stage hijacking and implicate Pakistan, a government spokesman told The News early on Thursday. He said that the said report was carried by some newspapers in Pakistan. He said hijacking is an Indian government ploy to defame Pakistan.`` (NEWS, Pakistan)
``Indian hijack was `false alarm`
Police and troops at New Delhi`s international airport
Passengers aboard an Indian plane that was reported hijacked have left the aircraft at New Delhi airport. The Indian civil aviation minister said that the reported attack had been ``a false alarm``.`` (http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_1578000/1578148.stm)
``Indian ploy to defame Pakistan: spokesman
By our correspondent
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan intelligence officials had intercepted some Indian officials talk two days ago that India is planning to stage hijacking and implicate Pakistan, a government spokesman told The News early on Thursday. He said that the said report was carried by some newspapers in Pakistan. He said hijacking is an Indian government ploy to defame Pakistan.`` (NEWS, Pakistan)
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