Declaration of Jehad

We seem to have much in common. Good article.

Sincerely Infidel NotAMullah

Yes the WORLD declares JEHAD against the god damned psychotic JIHADIS -- wherever they are -- in Afghanistan or Pakistan.

Zeejah:

[Taken in its correct perspective, I therefore implore George Bush to declare Jehad against the Taliban government..... ]

Although jehad is not my favorite word but I agree with you about the need to put a humanitarian and civilized face lift to the cruel, medieval and obscurantist image of Islam as presented by Taliban. What you have concluded after quoting from Quran and tahmed321 often repeats after reading Quran, I am able to say the same things without spending time reading or quoting it. Is there any benefit to say basic human common sense after spending time in reading, translating and then understanding Quran?

Oh, by the way, if President Bush declares jehad against Taliban, Pakistani textbooks also need to consider using term jehad for Raja Dahir`s defense; also Rana Sanga, Rajputs, Gakkhars, Shivaji and many others who waged jehad against medieval invader.

Good to read your article. The Taliban are probably history even as we speak - although admittedly the news has not reached Mullah Omar who thinks the US soldiers wont have the courage to enter Afghanistan and take on his tough guys

:-).

The mullahs to worry about are our own. And to fix the madrassah system so that those who come out of it are capable of earning an honest living and are at peace with the world.

cnn news ``The Bush Administration is considering the recognition of a Palestinian state as it reviews its policies in the Middle East``

Maybe we will see the Arabs and Israelis stop fighting and start treating one another as human beings in our lifetimes!!

To a kafir it only means ONE THING ......
and that has been made clear over and over again.

#4

SAmeer Kumar

``[[....Oh, by the way, if President Bush declares jehad against Taliban, Pakistani textbooks also need to consider using term jehad for Raja Dahir`s defense; also Rana Sanga, Rajputs, Gakkhars, Shivaji and many others who waged jehad against medieval invader. ``]]`

Sameer Kumar,

DO YOU KNOW EVEN YOU ,WHO MIGHT CONSIDER HIMSELF ARYA SAMAJI WHO WAS RELUCTANTLY CONVERTED TO ISLAM,CAME AS INVADER & CORRUPTED THE TRUE DRAVIDIAN HINDUS, SUBJUGATING THEM WITH ARYAN CASTE SYSTEM NOT ORIGINAL IN HINDUISM.

BNP leading in Bangla polls

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- UNI

TAhmed

``Maybe we will see the Arabs and Israelis stop fighting and start treating one another as human beings in our lifetimes!! ``

Yes, and maybe UrsTruly will be smoking pot and philosophizing at a beach shack in Goa

and Maybe I will win the PowerBall..

TAhmed

``Maybe we will see the Arabs and Israelis stop fighting and start treating one another as human beings in our lifetimes!! ``

Yes, and maybe UrsTruly will be smoking pot and philosophizing at a beach shack in Goa

and Maybe I will win the PowerBall..

IS JEHAD ONE OF THE FIVE PILLARS OF ISLAM?

Please correct me if I am wrong. The five pillars

of Islam are:

1. Declaration of faith (Kalma)

2. Prayers

3. Fasting

4. Zakat

5. Hajj

Taliban agree to local power-sharing

By Alex Spillius in Peshawar

October 2, 2001

The Telegraph (UK)

THE Taliban`s control of Afghanistan showed signs of faltering yesterday as it agreed to share power in three provinces in an attempt to block support for a transitional government headed by the former king Zahir Shah.

The decision to loosen the regime`s iron rule came as the radical movement`s leader admitted that it could be toppled and forced into fighting a guerrilla war by impending American military action.

According to a senior Taliban official, the movement`s supreme leader, Mullah Mohammed Omar, consented to allow the elders in Khost, Paktia and Paktika into the ``government machinery``.

It is the first time the extremist militia has agreed to any form of power sharing in its seven-year drive to create a pure Islamic state.

There have been growing reports of discontent over the Taliban`s refusal to hand over Osama bin Laden.

For the past two years there have been reports of splits in the Taliban leadership over bin Laden, with hardliners who fully support him winning over those who wanted to make greater accommodation with the outside world.

According to Afghan exiles in neighbouring Pakistan, popular resentment has simmered for the past three years over up to 15,000 Arabs and other foreign militants recruited by bin Laden`s al-Qa`eda organisation living in eastern areas.

The fighters have been indispensable to the Taliban in its drive across the country. Many live with large families in special compounds, a situation that has created rancour: they are seen as a privileged minority.

Khost district is home to several suspected terrorist training camps and was the target for American cruise missile strikes in 1998, launched in revenge for two US embassy bombings in Africa.

``The Taliban`s popular support has declined because of the presence of foreign fighters,`` said Umer Daudzai, an Afghan and senior UN official living in Pakistan.

``Afghans don`t like foreign fighters on their soil, whether Muslim or not. Even in rural areas the Taliban`s support has declined in the past three years, what with drought, the poverty and effects of sanctions.``

The provinces in question are also Pathan, the same ethnic group as the Taliban, but are led by different tribes from the militia`s core leadership. They are traditionally more moderate and are home to past backers of the ex-king. Their tolerance of the militia is fast running out.

The Taliban`s authority was already slipping in the big cities. Hundreds of thousands of people fled in fear of American air attacks, despite being encouraged to stay and fight a ``holy war`` against the USA. Law and order has deteriorated, with UN offices being ransacked in the northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif.

Bureaucrats have deserted their jobs and fled to Pakistan, while the minister of justice reportedly attempted to escape but was recognised by Taliban police and turned back with his family.

Pakistan`s President Pervaiz Musharraf, when asked whether the regime`s days were numbered, said in an interview with the BBC: ``It appears so.`` He added: ``It appears that because of the stand of the Taliban that confrontation will take place.``

A delegation of Muslim clerics from Pakistan returned yesterday, having failed to persuade Mullah Omar to hand over bin Laden.

The Taliban leader, a veteran of the 1979-89 anti-Soviet struggle, told the nation in a radio address on Sunday that his followers would fight a guerrilla war if his ``Islamic Emirate`` were toppled.

``The government may collapse, but it will be the same as during the time of the jihad [holy war against the Soviet Union]. New fronts will be established, just like against the communists,`` he said on Radio Shariat [Islamic law].

``You may capture the airports and the capital and the cities, but people will go to the mountains. God willing, I believe that neither the US or their allies will be able to do anything. They will only find the same destiny as the communists.``

He also threatened death against the 86-year-old deposed king. ``Afghans should not fulfil the interests of the United States. If you pay no attention to Islam and God`s law, then your death will be allowed.``

His broadcast came shortly after the Taliban ambassador to Pakistan said that bin Laden was back under Taliban ``control``, but in a place that ``could not be located by anyone``.

With international support building for an alternative to the Taliban, and the military Northern Alliance growing in confidence, the likelihood is that Mullah Omar`s appeasement of the tribal elders will have to be followed by greater concessions.

Who grants the permission to fight the oppressor - Mohammed,Jesus or Krishna?

Who is the oppressor -Muslims led by Osama or Americans led by Bush, or the Indians

led by the idols? Why is the all powerful god afraid of the mute,harmless clay idols?

If Allah decides most of the important things, then whom does he convey it to?

With Prophet long dead, and any more prophets banned to exist, how does his message

reach the followers? Or has God written a timeless book when we ourselves are timebound?

There is so much confusion around, so much killing in the name of religion,

so much hatred; is God still satisfied with the books he once wrote!

With more than half the world illiterate, who reads those books and who interprets

them; who deciphers the encoded dogma? Does God really find utterance in the

fiery words of the mullah,pundit and the bishop?

Too many questions and the answer is silence..but ofcourse the sound of keyboards

around me. I have heard of the 10th incarnation- Kalki, I have heard similar

things from the Christians and Jews too {does Islam too say such a

thing....}. O` come, come and end all this mess you created in the name of love.

Let us start afresh.



Pullu

nasah...

or in India, kindly don`t forget the fantics there if you are doing justice to that term

nasah...

`...or in India`, kindly don`t forget the fantics there if you are doing justice to that term

SameerJB #4 ``Is there any benefit to say basic human common sense after spending time in reading, translating and then understanding Quran?``

You may not have any need, being honest in your dealings, tolerant of others viewpoints, capable of rational thought, trusting of your eyes and ears, unwilling to see anyone as being above you or below you or closer to God or further from God than you. Being all of the above, I am sure you have no need for the Quran (I am not being cynical here, since it is quite likely you are all of the above).

Others (and there are plenty of folks in Pakistan - either the venal ``elite``, or those concocting irrational theories, or those spreading hatreds, or those considering themselves superior to their sweepers) could do with some character building. The Quran can therefore be of some use.

Others, who are interested in some more basic questions - why are we here, what is the universe all about - can also benefit from it.

I rest my case.

Zeejah:

[No muslim woman will give her blessings to her son for a Jehad declared by the Taliban.]

This point has been on my mind for a while(in a different form though).

What is the reason for all this anarchy and chaos?

One may be: probably, it is the women who are doing a poor job in raising their sons. Probably, this is the time for the government to realize the importance of educating them(women) as well as putting a ban on more than one male baby in a family. I am serious! This has to be looked into for the good of the country!!!

[Their government treats women as non-people at best, and second class human beings in general.]

What I have seen from my very own eyes in a documentary, ``Beneath the Veil`` by Sairah Saeed, played at least ten times on all the channels - is soemthing much worse than your above statement. In fact, I have never been more shocked in my life to understand and realize the mindframe of these sickos. I mean, if you think about this whole buk buk known as Talibaans, they are not observing any principles, as identified in Islam for all human beings. How can they claim to be the defenders of Islam when they are completely ignoring/neglecting the rights of those who are in their own jurisdiction?

I am also surprised that we do not have a lot of doctors/psychologists/neurologists commenting on this disaster. The fact that many hijackers were found dead drunk, a couple of days prior to this disaster, and then the fact that many soldiers who are in this damn Talibaan government are fed heroine, hasheesh, opium in all forms says something. How can a man function well when he is made to rely on ``something`` that can topple his nervous system? Well, any ``man`` who is into drugs should be properly punished under any law. I was watching a documentary where some afghans spoke how they fought under different kinds of hasheesh. I mean, this is so damn obvious that these people(afeemis) are consuming some sort of drugs that can even limit their own thinking faculties. How the hell can these men create any courts? mujlis-ae-shoora? how is this possible? I am amazed that the religious clerics have not commented on this aspect.

Currently, the government is under a lot of stress due to the refugees`influx, but they have to implement some steps for the health and life of their own people by putting a ban on this laa`nut know as afeem, hasheesh and other by-products of opium. I have been a resident adviser during my graduate studies without knowing the ins-and-outs of drugs. But I did come across a few residents mostly basket-ball players who were into drugs and the sophisticated measures they would take to clean and clear any remains. Interestingly, it`s very easy to detect a person when he/she is under drugs. Or probably, we were taught to look into the symptoms. Whatever. I have a very hard time imagining how the big cities in NWFP and Baluchistan are functioning under this curse of drugs. This is so damn sad and pathetic that the country needs to request the educated, learned and sane individuals to come out and assist as social reformers. This is the best opportunity for social workers with some sumujh boojh to come out and assist. Sitting so far away, suggesting what I am suggesting should not indicate that the natives are ignorants or are not doing great work to keep the country alive and running but ...

``If to do were as easy as to know what were good to do, chapels had been churches, and poor men`s cottages princes` palaces.`` [I have forgotten where I read it :( Probably, Oscar Wilde]

Quetta, a city under a lot of limelight nowadays, is being shown so many times as a den of druggies with drug-alleys. I have never ever been to Baluchistan, but have heard very nice things about Ziyarat and Quetta both. And it is very sad how this opium`s curse is drowning the land. There should be a Jehad movement against this curse known as drugs/alcohol.

I am reminded of the conversation between Hazrat Moosa(ILH)and Allah Taala. In fact, it has been coming back to me again and again. Specially the conversation when the lizard and human being`s existance was challenged by the prophet and the lizard respectively. Interestingly, the rationale explained said a lot - if one remembers.

Mehdavi:

I agree with you kalma, namaz, roza, haj and zakat are the pillars of Islam - unless I am missing something here myself.

By the way, each element has a special significance as well. Kalma represents faith, namaz is thanking God, fasting is to gain self-control and realize the blessings of God that we do not do otherwise, haj is to understand the concepts of equality, zakat(charities)is to share your wealth and give out of your own hard-earned money to assist others. All these aspects can blend in very well in any civilized world. In fact, these should form a base in living in any civilized world. Jehad`s context varies based on different situations. I think URS explained the different types very well. But one has to realize that all muslim countries in the world do not function alike. Each country is heavily influenced by their own cultural influences so it`s not only the religious practices that dictate their life-style.

Tahmed:

You wasted the bandwidth and could have said:

To each their own!

[Asim`s favorite expression]

Happy Fall, Asim!!!

Tahmed:

You wasted the bandwidth and could have said:

To each their own!

[Asim`s favorite expression]

Happy Fall, Asim!!!

Zeejah wrote:

``The hated regime of the worst military dictator Pakistan has ever seen; the regime of the man who had hanged Pakistan’s first elected Prime Minister Mr. Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, was propped up by the ‘free world’ in their battle against the Soviet Union.``

That is where the problem is really located.
In the recent words of Benazir Bhutto, this disaster was ``two Decades in the making``.

My prayers these days are for the victims of this terror and for the survival of Pakistan.

Ras

Re: Stuka

``Yes, and maybe UrsTruly will be smoking pot and philosophizing at a beach shack in Goa``

Please, the thought of that jehadi in Goa makes me cringe.

The northies have damaged Goa enough - gawking at tourists in bikinis, leaving garbage on the beaches, trying to jump into the water in silk saris and polyester pants, stealing, making noise during siesta time, and attempting to commercialize every corner.

Re: Sarwari #14

Did you know that more Muslims are killed each year in sectarian violence in Pakistan than in religious riots in India? I was certainly surprised to learn this (it was The News a few days ago, in an editorial). If you consider that India`s population is about 8 times larger, one cannot but come to the horrible conclusion that the death RATE due to sectarian violence is about EIGHT times higher in Pakistan!! Shocking, isn`t it?

A question: The sudden glorification of osama and seeing his picture being held aloft by his followers qualifies as idol worship, doesn`t it?

Re the author`s invitation for the world to wage jehad on the principles of the taliban is still quite short of what is required. It requires a jehad on the fellows who write the checks for the taliban, the saudis. The only difference between them and the afghans are that they lucked out on oil. Otherwise, they would be just another basket case with revenues from dates and camel dung.

And while you`re at the Taliban`s case, how different are they in practice from jaish or the other loony paki-sponsored groups? the problem is you can`t deplore the taliban on one hand as terrorists and then applaud the violent terrorist groups in Kashmir as freedom fighters. And even in the remote case India washes off its hands from Kashmir, do you think it is going to evolve into the gem of Pakistan? Chances are that you`ve made such a devil`s deal with the jehadis, they will not settle for anything less than the talibanization of Kashmir as well as the rest of Pakistan.

Of course some will bring up the case of extreme Hindu groups. These nuts are crazy all right, but not as violent as your nuts. They do not go around hijacking planes and ramming them into buildings, killing people by the thousands in the name of religion, nor do they export their violence to other countries. How much can you achieve with dandas and airguns after all?

Zeejah

Obscuritanism is the exact opposite of Islam, even as it proclaims itself as the champion of Islam.

The experience of Islam, of being a Muslim is not possible, not possible, without Education, without Liberty, and without Reason, without the understanding of pluralism of religions and of the tolerance born of it.

To understand the responsibility of being a Muslim, is to struggle to be conscious, to continuously reexamine scriptures and Taffsir by applying the knowledge of religious and extra religious sciences to give meaning and relevance to teachings and to guide thinking and behaviour.

In principle to disagree with the Taliban and other such obscuritanist movements is one thing, to suggest that to extinguish sucha movement by international conspiracy and force of arms is to equate one`s behaviour with that of the obscuritanist Taliban movement.

How then can the Taliban movement be challenged? By a combination of both Islamic intellectual arguement, to create an awareness of the shallowness of their understanding of Islam and the impropriety of solutions for statecraft and governance they have proposed. The second way of challengeing the Taliban movement of Afghanistan is to engage them and to bind them in obligations by virtue of the engagement.

Sadly none of this occur.

BOMBAY RIOTS







The December 6, 1992, demolition of Babri Masjid drove a wedge between India’s two principal communities that few are trying to bridge. The Uttar Pradesh government, which could have helped the CBI in initiating action against the BJP leaders who were ‘party to the demolition,’ has done its utmost to bail them out. Now the onus is on the Maharashtra government - Congress and NCP - to heal the scars that are still sore. The Bombay riots that claimed close to 1,000 lives changed the city’s landscape. And now it seems that the state government, which had promised action on the Srikrishna Commission report, has changed its mind. After arresting three small-time Shiv Sainiks last month, the Maharashtra government doesn’t seem to be in a hurry to implement Justice Srikrishna’s other, more unpleasant recommendations.

Eight Years On Justice Still Eludes Riot Victims

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ANJALI CORDIERO

Bombay, July 5, 2001



Eight years ago, a 12-year-old in a little madarsa in the heart of Bombay city watched uncomprehendingly as the city he knew burned with communal passions. He watched his father being whisked away by the police, never to see him alive again. Those were the days when the distinction between right and wrong had turned into an indistinct blur, even to the guardians of the law.

Abdullah remembers hearing bullet shots and screams and though that was eight years ago, he has not forgotten. Eight years is a long time to grieve and when Abdullah Kasim speaks of the father he lost to the carnage that swallowed Bombay in the January of 1993, he is dry-eyed. The tears may long since have stopped, but the memories have been permanently etched on his mind. In Bombay, thousands like Abdullah are still struggling to live with the legacy of pain the riots left in their wake. The pain is compounded by the fact that they do not know if those guilty of snatching away their loved ones will ever be punished.

The agonizingly slow wheels of the bureaucracy and government have been practically at a standstill for close to a decade as far as the Srikrishna Commission is concerned. Now, eight years after Bombay burnt, the Democratic Front government seems to be waking up from a lethargic slumber and beginning to show some interest in implementing the report.



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Does the government have honorable intentions, or is the entire exercise mere eyewash? In the last one month alone the Special Task Force, appointed to implement the Srikrishna Commission report, filed an FIR against 16 police officers (including a former commissioner), filed formal charges against five Shiv Sainiks (including a former minister) and arrested three Sena activists. In short, a sudden flurry of interest and unprecedented activity from the government’s side in the riot cases. But will justice be truly served?

So far the government has a very poor track record in this regard and most social activists are skeptical about its determination to see the cases through. Many believe that the government is merely trying to make a point and pacify the Supreme Court, which (following a petition) has repeatedly demanded to know what the Maharashtra government has done on the issue. The implementation of the report was in its election manifesto and if nothing is done in this direction the government loses face.

Commission Of Inquiry

The Srikrishna Commission of Inquiry was set up on January 25, 1993, after close to 1,000 people were killed in the riots that followed nationwide communal tension after the December 6, 1992, demolition of Babri Masjid in Ayodhya. The commission held the Shiv Sena, including its chief Bal Thackeray responsible, saying that they whipped up a communal frenzy. It also found evidence of biased and indiscriminate firing by the police force. When, after five years of work, the commission’s report was tabled, the Sena which was then in power refused to accept or implement in. Then came the election where a self-righteous Congress and NCP promised to right all wrongs. The Congress and NCP did come to power, but they have yet to keep their word.

Cynics point out that although half-a-dozen cases have been opened up in the last one month, lawmakers have been showing a lack of will in pursuing them. “The government is treating the accused with kid gloves and is using the Srikrishna Commission as a smokescreen,” says P.A. Sebastian, the advocate who is representing Abdullah Kasim in high court. “The government’s intentions are in question and we have no faith in them.” The case that he has taken up on behalf of Abdullah concerns the former Bombay Police Commissioner R.D. Tyagi who was, in May this year, charged with the murder of nine people in the famous Suleiman Bakery case. Tyagi had approached the courts for anticipatory bail, which has been rejected. Sebastian, on behalf of Abdullah, vehemently opposed the bail and begged the court in the interest of justice to deny the bail application.

“Tyagi has been named in a murder case. The government filed an FIR against Tyagi blaming him for the nine deaths at Suleiman Bakery, but made no attempt to arrest him. Does this mean that Tyagi is above the law? He applied for anticipatory bail and we were worried that he may get away. We have filed the case because we simply don’t trust the government to see it through,” Sebastian contends. STF officials, however, say that they could not arrest Tyagi because some aspects of the investigation are yet to be completed.

Tyagi has high political connections, advocate Sebastian says. Tyagi applied for a Shiv Sena ticket in the 1999 General Elections, and in 2000 he contested the Maharashtra legislative council election as an independent candidate. Will his clout protect him from any further action?

In March this year the STF began investigations into the role of nine policemen during the riots. According to the Srikrishna report, six of these police officials watched a mob hack a local Muslim thug to death but did nothing to stop them. Although the STF began work on these cases in March and seems to have completed most of the investigations, there has been no action against them. “They are government servants. We need to get the government’s permission to prosecute them and this permission has not yet come,” a senior official of the Special Task Force told TheNewspaperToday. This is just another example of the perfunctory action that the Democratic Front government seems to specialize in as far as the Srikrishna Commission is concerned.

In all, the Srikrishna Commission named 31 police offices for wrong doings during the riots of January 1993. Of these, the Special Task Force has filed FIRs against 17 (including former commissioner R.D. Tyagi), nine are being investigated and another 19 have departmental inquiries pending against them. Since the STF was formed last October, not a single police officer has been arrested for his role in the riots. The reasons are two fold -- getting necessary evidence so many years later, especially when even victims are not ready to stand witness, is not easy. And, the prosecution of a police official is always tinged with worries of effect on the morale of the force. Admits one STF official, “We are all in the same service. While prosecuting a fellow police officer I can’t help but think that it just as well might have been me.”

Justice Srikrishna in his report had also named around 102 persons affiliated with various political parties who were responsible for inciting violence. Since its inception, STF has arrested 11 such persons, most of them small time activists. Other, ‘bigger political personalities’ who incited the mobs, seem to have gone scoot free. STF officials explain this away saying that “many off these offences are not cognizable offences, since a span of eight years has passed.” It is true that on June 21 this year the STF arrested three Shiv Sainiks, but in common parlance they were only ‘small fry’. The STF has charged five other Sena leaders, including former minister Gajanan Kirtikar. But all are currently out on bail. No one knows what the final outcome of these cases will be.

Is that the Democratic Front’s modus operandi -- do just enough to silence critics, but stop just short of raising a stink or rocking any boats? Ask deputy chief minister Chhagan Bhujbhal and he is loath to discuss the issue.

Justice Delayed Is Justice Denied

Says Justice Hosbet Suresh, a former judge who in 1999 led a delegation to the Chief Minister demanding action on the riot report, “I feel that the action from the government is very slow, half-hearted and mere lip-service. I don’t have much faith. I met the Chief Minister as soon as he came to power, but nothing has been done till now. It has already been eight years; the case that has been filed will be in the courts for another five or six years. I don’t know if the victims will get justice.”

Meanwhile, even as activists and victims demand speedier and more aggressive action on the recommendations of Justice Srikrishna, the Shiv Sena is gearing for an onslaught. After three Shiv Sainiks were arrested in riots cases on June 21, party spokesperson Subhash Desai described the move as “an attempt to pacify the Muslims. The government is asking for trouble.”

So far, though, the Sena has been unusually restrained in its reaction and says that it will fight the government “through legal channels.” To this end a legal cell has been formed by the party high command. The party simply cannot afford to ignore any kind of action on the commission’s report. Sena chief Bal Thackeray, who wrote inflammatory articles during the riots, is one of those held culpable by Justice Srikrishna in the report.

Last year (even before the Special Task Force was appointed) when Bal Thackeray was arrested for inflammatory writings during the riots, he walked away a free man in less than two hours. However, the Sena can never be entirely certain about how far the government is willing to go. According to senior sources in the STF, Bal Thackeray’s case, like all others, has been examined. “The government has not yet taken a decision on the Sena supremo’s case,” sources in the STF told TheNewspaperToday. “It is not so simple to arrest or take action against a big political leader. You have to be doubly certain that you have enough evidence to back you in court, evidence that could stand up in the Supreme Court if necessary. After all, eight years have passed…it is hard to come by such evidence.”





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APOLOGIES,

Yet another pathetic apologist. An idea so much `misinterpreted`, is it not possible to drop it, say that it is out of touch and irrelevant.

It is pathetic to see the educated pakistanis trying to salvage `jihad`, education is a jihad against ignorence, eating is a jihad against hunger, sh//i/tting is a jihad against constipation, all of the above are correct interpretations, except the killing, which the real jihadists are doing. It is time for the pakistanis to accept that they are fooling no one, people of all religions do except the last type of jihad, and we use different words.

Jihad means only one thing, and please dont make even the bodily functions into a jihad.

Good Morning and Happy Jehad to all the Pakistanis !!!

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Reply # 87 nasah

[``HE BETTER GET READY FOR A WAR WITH INDIA. IT`S COMING.``]

Reply # 442 Stuka

[``I would prefer a nucler holocaust in South Asia, the deaths of my parents, friends, myself, before allowing India to be partitioned again``]

Reply # 439 sadna

[``I hope India refuses to talk any further and seeks the right political moment to go and destroy the training camps in PoK.``]

Relax fellas. Whats this excitement about? What has gotten into your dhotis? Is it a bunch piranhas? or did a bee hive explode in there? haNh?

Let me try to answer all of you lunatic hate/war mongers, please.

Field Marshal Sadna, I hope you guys have a credible second strike capability before thinking of war. ``Make no mistake``, there are enough devices and missles to roast the WHOLE of India in the first strike. Till such time that Abul Kalam and other IIT geniuses can mount a missile on a submarine, I suggest you take some valium and enjoy the wet dreams about hot pursuit etc... like what advani has done since `98.

Wardboy, your CAPS LOCK key is stuck; maybe your Prozac laced drool is too sticky?

Khatri-Puttar, why do you love mother India more than your own mother?

Personally, I think Uncle Sam will save your cowardly arses. But somehow you guys had to demean yourselves by first prostituting your services from India.... no takers..... then send Bhadwant Singh to US.... no takers.... and finally Bagpipe writes ``jilted lover`` style letters to Bush.... still no takers... and now this anger and cries of WAR.

It is pathetic to see a nation of 1 billion cowards begging and pleading US to help them out. Kuch sharam hai to chullu bhar cow-urine mein doob maro.

Reply # 87 nasah

[``HE BETTER GET READY FOR A WAR WITH INDIA. IT`S COMING.``]

Reply # 442 Stuka

[``I would prefer a nucler holocaust in South Asia, the deaths of my parents, friends, myself, before allowing India to be partitioned again``]

Reply # 439 sadna

[``I hope India refuses to talk any further and seeks the right political moment to go and destroy the training camps in PoK.``]

Relax fellas. Whats this excitement about? What has gotten into your dhotis? Is it a bunch piranhas? or did a bee hive explode in there? haNh?

Let me try to answer all of you lunatic hate/war mongers, please.

Field Marshal Sadna, I hope you guys have a credible second strike capability before thinking of war. ``Make no mistake``, there are enough devices and missles to roast the WHOLE of India in the first strike. Till such time that Abul Kalam and other IIT geniuses can mount a missile on a submarine, I suggest you take some valium and enjoy the wet dreams about hot pursuit etc... like what advani has done since `98.

Wardboy, your CAPS LOCK key is stuck; maybe your Prozac laced drool is too sticky?

Khatri-Puttar, why do you love mother India more than your own mother?

Personally, I think Uncle Sam will save your cowardly arses. But somehow you guys had to demean yourselves by first prostituting your services from India.... no takers..... then send Bhadwant Singh to US.... no takers.... and finally Bagpipe writes ``jilted lover`` style letters to Bush.... still no takers... and now this anger and cries of WAR.

It is pathetic to see a nation of 1 billion cowards begging and pleading US to help them out. Kuch sharam hai to chullu bhar cow-urine mein doob maro.

for a few green pieces of paper,

Pakistan was created as a homeland for the muslims of india. Many believed in this land of the pure, went there to create one.

Pakistan created the taliban because the americans gave them a few green pieces of paper, no not really, the argument was that there is this strategic depth, which in simple language means that if india invades pakistan and occupies it, the mushy and company will move to afghansiatn to fight another day. Again, the taliban was the incarnation of jihad in the true form.

What has changed now, instead of supporting the creation, like any true parent, pakistan has turned against its own creation. Today mushy has declared that the days of taliban are numbeed. What happened to the muslim ummah.

Even Ummah can be sold for a few green pieces of paper. It must be a terible burden to be pakistani in these times. No wonder they keep coming up with the `desi` idea. It must be this terrible sense of disgrace that creates the jihadists, another form of suicide. May be the shrink, sankar can throw some darkness on this

this article doesnt offer any new insight into this whole it sounds like it was written by a non muslim.......anyway better luck next time

Stuka #10 Your chances of winning the lottery are indeed slim. However, just because two communities (arabs and israelis) have been fighting it out for 50 years doesnt mean this is something for all eternity. Human relations can go from one pole to another quite quickly. E.g. back in the 14th century, after the 500 hundred year rule of arabs in spain came to an end, jews were given a choice by the conquering christians to (a) convert to christianity, (b) leave spain for (muslim ruled) turkey or (c) face persecution in spain. tens of thousands of them chose to go to muslim ruled turkey. similarly, the Sebatai Zevi declared himself the jewish messiah in the 17th century and gained a mass following across europe, with people selling their belongings to go to Palestine. The ottoman empire had other thoughts, and - this is a historical fact - the jewish messiah embraced islam. interestingly, he did not disown his jewish heritage either, and contined to be visited by jewish followers while at the same time proclaiming he had no problem accepting both faiths.

long story, but the moral is: dont let current events hide the reality that human relations can blow hot and cold. it can be hindi-cheenee bhai bhai in 1961 and war between the two in 1962. the japanese and germans are eager to do what they can to be of help to the allies 50 years after a tooth and nail struggle with them.

zeejah and others: Actually I noticed you got the five pillars wrong too - you replaced kalima with jehad!!!! jehad is NOT one of the pillars of islam, despite the equation of islam with violence that people like to make.

anyway, these are merely pillars (and not given any real importance in the Quran either compared to other things). What is the foundation of islam??

Don`t Let Our Friend

Pakistan Down

By LANNY J. DAVIS

Once again, Pakistan has stepped up to the line at the request of the U.S. — at great risk to itself. And once again, the question must be asked: Will the U.S. remember, not only at times of peril, as now, but during fair weather?

Based on history, the answer is, unfortunately, unclear. Perhaps this crisis will finally convince U.S. policymakers there are better ways to treat a friend, even one whose system of government is at times not entirely to our liking.

Make no mistake, the courageous decision of Pakistan`s leader, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, to support the U.S. campaign against Osama Bin Laden, including likely military action against Afghanistan`s Taliban, puts the nation itself — and the general personally — at great peril.

Since its founding more than a half-century ago, Pakistan has attempted to establish a pro-Western, moderate government that respects secular values, similar to Turkey`s model. But in recent years, especially after the fundamentalist takeover of Iran, Pakistan has been threatened by Islamic extremists seeking to exploit poverty and illiteracy as the fuel for anti-Western hatreds.

Now Pakistan is in a far weaker position to resist these extremists, who look to Bin Laden as their hero. Tragically, U.S. policies over more than a decade are arguably one of the chief factors.

These policies — harsh sanctions on economic and military assistance — were imposed after Pakistan developed nuclear weapons capability in 1990. Ironically, the sanctions kicked in shortly after Pakistan played a critical role, again to its peril, in helping the U.S. turn back Soviet aggression in Afghanistan in the 1980s. Among the legacies of that war for Pakistan: a rampant drug trade, the CIA-trained Bin Laden and, ultimately, the extremist Taliban on its borders.

In the wake of Sept. 11, sanctions against Pakistan (and those imposed as well on India for its nuclear weapons program) fortunately have been removed. It is late in the day, given the serious deterioration in the Pakistanis` economic condition, but perhaps it is not too late for them to recover — or for us to learn important lessons for the future.

First, economic and military sanctions should not be employed when there is no evidence they are achieving their goals — or, worse, evidence that they are producing results counter to U.S. long-term interests, and certainly not when they are doing injury to a loyal, reliable friend.

Second, the best incentive for Pakistan to return to democracy and civilian control is through broad economic and educational assistance and for the U.S. to show patience and understanding as Pakistan attempts to reconstruct a more enduring democracy free of corruption and autocratic rule.

Third, Kashmir, the festering source of tension on the subcontinent, must be the subject of greater U.S. involvement. Pakistan and India have made progress in recent months. The U.S. cannot afford to stand on the sidelines any longer.

Finally, and most importantly: We must learn to treat our friends as friends — and to remember their loyalty and support through the good times as well as the bad.

I am posting an article by Rushdie below. Some of you might have already read it. He asks the questions I want to ask, the points I want to make --just much more eloquently.

NEW YORK -- In January 2000 I wrote in a newspaper column that ``the defining struggle of the new age would be between Terrorism and Security,`` and fretted that to live by the security experts` worst-case scenarios might be to surrender too many of our liberties to the invisible shadow-warriors of the secret world. Democracy requires visibility, I argued, and in the struggle between security and freedom we must always err on the side of freedom. On Tuesday, Sept. 11, however, the worst-case scenario came true.

They broke our city. I`m among the newest of New Yorkers, but even people who have never set foot in Manhattan have felt its wounds deeply, because New York is the beating heart of the visible world, tough-talking, spirit-dazzling, Walt Whitman`s ``city of orgies, walks and joys,`` his ``proud and passionate city -- mettlesome, mad, extravagant city!`` To this bright capital of the visible, the forces of invisibility have dealt a dreadful blow. No need to say how dreadful; we all saw it, are all changed by it. Now we must ensure that the wound is not mortal, that the world of what is seen triumphs over what is cloaked, what is perceptible only through the effects of its awful deeds.

In making free societies safe -- safer -- from terrorism, our civil liberties will inevitably be compromised. But in return for freedom`s partial erosion, we have a right to expect that our cities, water, planes and children really will be better protected than they have been. The West`s response to the Sept. 11 attacks will be judged in large measure by whether people begin to feel safe once again in their homes, their workplaces, their daily lives. This is the confidence we have lost, and must regain.

Next: the question of the counterattack. Yes, we must send our shadow-warriors against theirs, and hope that ours prevail. But this secret war alone cannot bring victory. We will also need a public, political and diplomatic offensive whose aim must be the early resolution of some of the world`s thorniest problems: above all the battle between Israel and the Palestinian people for space, dignity, recognition and survival. Better judgment will be required on all sides in future. No more Sudanese aspirin factories to be bombed, please. And now that wise American heads appear to have understood that it would be wrong to bomb the impoverished, oppressed Afghan people in retaliation for their tyrannous masters` misdeeds, they might apply that wisdom, retrospectively, to what was done to the impoverished, oppressed people of Iraq. It`s time to stop making enemies and start making friends.

To say this is in no way to join in the savaging of America by sections of the left that has been among the most unpleasant consequences of the terrorists` attacks on the United States. ``The problem with Americans is . . . `` -- ``What America needs to understand . . . `` There has been a lot of sanctimonious moral relativism around lately, usually prefaced by such phrases as these. A country which has just suffered the most devastating terrorist attack in history, a country in a state of deep mourning and horrible grief, is being told, heartlessly, that it is to blame for its own citizens` deaths. (``Did we deserve this, sir?`` a bewildered worker at ``ground zero`` asked a visiting British journalist recently. I find the grave courtesy of that ``sir`` quite astonishing.)

Let`s be clear about why this bien-pensant anti-American onslaught is such appalling rubbish. Terrorism is the murder of the innocent; this time, it was mass murder. To excuse such an atrocity by blaming U.S. government policies is to deny the basic idea of all morality: that individuals are responsible for their actions. Furthermore, terrorism is not the pursuit of legitimate complaints by illegitimate means. The terrorist wraps himself in the world`s grievances to cloak his true motives. Whatever the killers were trying to achieve, it seems improbable that building a better world was part of it.

The fundamentalist seeks to bring down a great deal more than buildings. Such people are against, to offer just a brief list, freedom of speech, a multi-party political system, universal adult suffrage, accountable government, Jews, homosexuals, women`s rights, pluralism, secularism, short skirts, dancing, beardlessness, evolution theory, sex. These are tyrants, not Muslims. (Islam is tough on suicides, who are doomed to repeat their deaths through all eternity. However, there needs to be a thorough examination, by Muslims everywhere, of why it is that the faith they love breeds so many violent mutant strains. If the West needs to understand its Unabombers and McVeighs, Islam needs to face up to its bin Ladens.) United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan has said that we should now define ourselves not only by what we are for but by what we are against. I would reverse that proposition, because in the present instance what we are against is a no-brainer. Suicidist assassins ram wide-bodied aircraft into the World Trade Center and Pentagon and kill thousands of people: um, I`m against that. But what are we for? What will we risk our lives to defend? Can we unanimously concur that all the items in the above list -- yes, even the short skirts and dancing -- are worth dying for?

The fundamentalist believes that we believe in nothing. In his world-view, he has his absolute certainties, while we are sunk in sybaritic indulgences. To prove him wrong, we must first know that he is wrong. We must agree on what matters: kissing in public places, bacon sandwiches, disagreement, cutting-edge fashion, literature, generosity, water, a more equitable distribution of the world`s resources, movies, music, freedom of thought, beauty, love. These will be our weapons. Not by making war but by the unafraid way we choose to live shall we defeat them.

How to defeat terrorism? Don`t be terrorized. Don`t let fear rule your life. Even if you are scared.

Salman Rushdie is a British novelist and essayist.

Distributed by NYT Special Features

© 2001 The Washington Post Company

fawas79 #34 ``it sounds like it was written by a non muslim``

so if you disagree with someone`s viewpoint, you dont trouble yourself to explain why, you just declare him or her a non-muslim. how many morons like you are out there anyway??

Here is another bombshell:

Moderate may head new Afghan government

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan, Oct. 3 (UPI) -- Pir Syed Ahmed Gilani, a leading spiritual and political figure with liberal views, may head the new government that Afghanistan`s former king Mohammad Zahir Shah and his allies are trying to put together, Afghan officials said Wednesday.

Gilani, who heads the royalist National Islamic Front of Afghanistan, met the king in Rome Sunday while he was meeting a delegation of the opposition Northern Alliance.

He is believed to have urged the king not to allow any particular political or religious group to dominate the new government.

Commenting on a reported alliance between the former king and Afghanistan`s Northern Alliance, sources in his party said the king also was aware any government dominated by a particular group will not be acceptable to the Afghans in general. These comments, analysts said, reflected an awareness the alliance, made up of Tajik, Uzbek and Hazara minorities in Afghanistan, would not be able on its own to provide a durable government, which requires the participation of the Pashtuns who make up about 40 percent of the Afghan population and have dominated the country`s politics for more than two centuries.

The Northern Alliance, dominated by the minority ethnic Tajiks, cannot advance into Taliban controlled areas that are predominantly Pashtun. Pashtuns are the largest ethnic group in Afghanistan.

Gilani has a large following in the Pashtun areas in Afghanistan and also is related to the royal family, which also is Pashtun. He heads a prominent spiritual clan of the Sunni Muslims called the Gilanis, descendants of the founder of the Qadiri sufi order. Compared to the conservative clerics, the Gilanis, as is traditional with Sufis, have always been more receptive to liberal views and have opposed extremism.

Since he is a Syed -- that is one related to the Prophet Muhammad -- he will be acceptable to most ethnic and religious groups in Afghanistan.

Sidelined by the Taliban rulers after they captured Kabul in 1996, Gilani also has maintained good relations with the United States and Western nations.

Although he has been living in Pakistan since the Soviet invasion of 1979, Gilani has maintained close links with his followers in Afghanistan and with the former king, often visiting both.

Compared to the Northern Alliance, which has close relations with Pakistan`s rival India, Gilani will be more acceptable to Islamabad as well.(Washington Times)

Anybody who will let the Afghani girls ``to go to school`` is welcome to rule Afghanistan.

Nasah:

There is no bombshell in the news - it was pretty nice to hear about the pleasant transition. But that was ``assuming`` the Talibaans` elimination from sufhae`hasti.

Has that happened yet? Nope.
Would it be easy to do that? Nope.
How long would that take? Cannot be said.

It would be a very pleasant change on the map of Afghanistan. At least, someone will force the natives to come out of opium fields and realize the strength of spiritualism. It would not be that easy for any new government to gain the trust of the masses who are immensely shaken by what has been going on in their own homes, their lives and etc. This is not like changing the color of one`s lipstick or eye-make up. The wounds are much deeper and would require a leadership who can assist the masses in uplifting their spirits and regaining the trust. By the way, I must mention that silsalae` qadiriyaa`s followers are pretty devout in their practices.

What is the relevance of ``jehad`` if you are not riding a dromedary? And do not reply ``Dune``.

Thank you.

The spate of articles ``explaining`` jehad are missing the bigger picture. Americans have never uptil now been exposed to Islam`s philosophy and teachings in any significant manner(black muslims notwithstanding). That may explain the somehat ambivalent attitudes the American public has about Muslims even after the tragedy. I have a feeling that the media attention the religion is getting now, will actually end up causing more harm to Islam than doing any good. There is such a wide chasm between Islam in theory and Islam in practice that to expect the ordinary American to be understanding is expecting way too much.

Expecting Americans to understand the intricacies of Jihad-bin-Nafs and Jihad-bis-saif is like expecting ordinary muslims to understand the difference between lent and Yom Kippur. Hell, even most Muslims would have a hard time differentiating between Shab-e-barat and Shab-e-mairaj....An overwhelming majority of non-Muslims will be turned off by the prevalence of so many uncivlized norms and practices in the Muslim world. For instance the ducumentary ``Under the Veil`` being shown repeatedly on CNN has already become a classic.

To give a personal example, a dear American friend of mine in his sixties walked over and asked me to explain the difference between Deobandies and Barelvis and how that is relevant to the present crisis. Needless to say, I didn`t have much information for him. Uptil that point I was under the impression that he simply had a passing knowledge of Islam. The WTC has caused millions to Americans like him to take a deeper look. I am not entirely sure they are going to like it.

later

-sac

The students of Jihad, the freedom fighters of Musharraf have done it once again. The Chief Minister weeps, the Prime Minister sends pleading letters begging attention, various political parties continue with their business.

But there is a bigger section of the country exhaling hot air. Tomorrow there will be more. Under the ashes, new words are taking birth - ``Once and for all``. Time and deeds catch up eventually. They will catch up with Pakistan too.

And when the day comes, there shall be no mistakes of the past. India is no

Iraq,Afghanistan or Pakistan. You can shout urself hoarse from a safe distance, you can send your gullible dreamers to the virgins,

but Kashmir isn`t going anywhere.

The best thing for India is to cut off all diplomatic and any other relation with Pakistan. No more talks and no more candle lighting at Wagah.

Pullu

You`re right Zahra -- I believe it when I see it.

Till then it just may be the Afghani ``pipe`` dream.

Now in the wake of all the current fiascos, what do we hear? Another Hijack! Where? In India. I just heard regarding the plane hijack from Bombay to Dilli or vice versa through a friend and then on CNN.

More Happy Jihad to everyone. Another High-jacking. I hope you all enjoy this one too, as more Jihads come to a neighbourhood near you.

Re: Ali

Your buddies in heera mandi must`ve forgotten to tell you about what the nation of 1 billion did to your great uncles and grandfathers in 1971.

90,000 of the helpless little rats peed in their shalwars and surrendered to the Indian army; the largest group of cowards to have ever attempted a war.

You think Pakistani phatakas have first-strike capability to get all of India? Which wet dream did you get that from? And you think there is no second strike capability in India? Is that the war planning Puki mullahs do in their madrassahs?

And don`t forget, while Chinese slapped Mooshraf and told him to stay home last week, Russians are right next door and wouldn`t hesitate shoving a nuke up Pakistan`s behind on India`s behalf.

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The best thing for India is to cut off all diplomatic and any other relation with Pakistan. No more talks and no more candle lighting at Wagah.``]]



Pullu(PILOO)

Why babble in 420 unintelligible gibberish dilects of Indian so called regional languages

Whats stopping you Punk??

Go AHEAD,MAKE MY DAY U PUNK!!!Dont bother to communicate with us URDUDAAN,SHAREEF.by now u should know we only believe in ACTION not gibberish

``NEW DELHI, India, Oct. 4 — The reported hijacking of a plane flying from Bombay to New Delhi was a false alarm, caused by an anonymous phone call and confusion in the aircraft’s cabin and cockpit, the government said Thursday...``

Very typical!Cannot get enough attention of the world. Cannot get enough attention from the US and are dying to divert the focus. Good Try!!!

RanaRansher #46,

Before you soil your pants, this might be of interest to you, read the capital letters:

``NEW DELHI, India (CNN) -- A reported hijacking of a Boeing 737 with 52 passengers aboard turned out to be a FALSE ALARM, India`s civil aviation

minister said early Thursday.``

Bijli [ aka Jugnu ] aap phir aa gayein timtimaney.

There is no use talking peace when everything around you is exploding. Musharraf condemns terrorists but the world sees something else. Read any US paper and see the concerns of columnists in dealing with the double-edged sword that is Pakistan. There is a limit to everything. Everbody knows ISI`s role in promoting terrorism.

Stop kidding yourself!

The way YOU write, don`t remind me of ur sharafat and Urdu. By now we know - MORE action is needed. Just ``action``; you have already had it three+1 times!

Par laaton ke bhoot kab ....

Anyway continue to entertain yourself with name-calling and associated rhymes.

Pullu

Here is an interesting article. Please read.

http://www.timesofindia.com/articlelist.asp?catkey=-21289bullsht=enormous

Grateful India celebrates Powell`s statement

NILANJANA BHADURI JHA

NEW DELHI: Celebrations broke out and sweets were distributed in the streets of the capital after US Secretary of State Colin Powell denounced the ``terrible terrorist act that killed innocent civilians`` in Kashmir.

Foreign Secratary Chaptila Iyer told reporters that India was ``pleased`` and ``indebted`` for Powell`s kind words. ``We have been trying to draw the world`s attention towards Pakistan sponsored aatank-waad in different parts of India but we have been ignored so far``, she said.

Foreign Minister Bhadwant Singh sounded even more positive. ``Our coming generations will be grateful to Colin Powell``, he said. He also said that India has asked all of its states to provide 5000 kunwari kannhya (virgins) each for the American soldiers, if they ever decide to use the Indian bases and facilities. He said that we would have done ``more`` but for the precarious male/female ratio in the country`s population. In response to a question he said that we can always ``provide`` Shammi Kapoor and Prem Chopra if there is a battallion from San Francisco`s Castro district.

He contemptously dismissed a reported statement by Maulana Manhoos Azhar in which the Maulana had accused the Indians of being a nation of castrated eunuchs which was not willing to fight its own wars. ``He has been in our custody for 3 years and we have repeatedly checked his shalwar. He is a casarated eunuch himself``, Bhadwant Singh said. ``In fact both of us played eunuch-eunuch on our flight to Kandahar``, he recalled.

I am sure the Indians will blame the hijacking on Pakistan. It is however going to be interesting to see exactly how many Indians blame this hijacking on Pakistan:-) The actual story is that it was a false alarm. How in the world can a hijacking be a false alarm? Never heard that one before. Here are two takes on it.

``Indian hijack was `false alarm`

Police and troops at New Delhi`s international airport

Passengers aboard an Indian plane that was reported hijacked have left the aircraft at New Delhi airport. The Indian civil aviation minister said that the reported attack had been ``a false alarm``.`` (http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_1578000/1578148.stm)

``Indian ploy to defame Pakistan: spokesman

By our correspondent

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan intelligence officials had intercepted some Indian officials talk two days ago that India is planning to stage hijacking and implicate Pakistan, a government spokesman told The News early on Thursday. He said that the said report was carried by some newspapers in Pakistan. He said hijacking is an Indian government ploy to defame Pakistan.`` (NEWS, Pakistan)

Pakistani shalwars getting wet. Ali gearing up to offer behind to allay Mullahs.

From the BBC

``Pakistan fears Kashmir fallout



By George Arney in Pakistan-controlled Kashmir

The guns are silent along the Line of Control that separates Indian and Pakistani forces.

A ceasefire has been observed by both sides here for the past nine months.

On the Pakistani side, we walked through the trench system with our Pakistani hosts and, showed ourselves quite openly to Indian soldiers in their post just a 100 metres away.

We waved; they waved back.

Despite the peaceful atmosphere in these mountains, Pakistani forces are on high alert.

Militant groups

One of Islamabad`s main concerns in the current crisis is that India might take advantage of Pakistan`s preoccupation with the situation over its other border with Afghanistan.

Kashmiri militants may be targets of anti-terror campaign



On our journey through the hills of Pakistan-administered Kashmir, we have seen no sign of any militant groups.

But the latest issue of Jane`s Intelligence Review says that there are 91 militant training camps in this region.

One Pakistan-based militant group fighting in Kashmir, the Harakatul Mujahideen, has been identified by Washington as a terrorist group.

There is some concern in Islamabad that Kashmiri militant groups could come to be targeted by the US in its war against terrorism.

Last week, US Secretary of State Colin Powell said that some Kashmiri militant groups might be targets of the US anti-terrorist campaign.

But it is also hoped that a greater focus on this troubled region by the international community could increase the pressure for a negotiated settlement to this 54-year-old conflict.``

From Business recorder - dated Oct. 04, 2001

``Red alert at airports sounded as RAW`s plot to hijack plane unearthed

QUETTA : Indian secret service, Research and Analysis Wing (RAW), is said to have chalked out a plan to stage a calculated plane hijack drama involving Pakistan to meet its clandestine ends. ``The sensitive security agencies of Pakistan have intercepted a conversation among the RAW officers, revealing that the RAW intends to hijack a plane of a big air line to bring it to Pakistan in a bid to get Pakistan declared a terrorist state,`` said the high placed sources here.

According to the sources, the government of Pakistan has sounded a high alert at all the airports in the country to thwart such a conspiracy by India.

The security has also been beefed up in view of the emerging situation, and the aviation authorities have been directed not to allow any such plane to land on the Pakistani soil.

It is pertinent to note here that soon after the September 11 terror attacks in New York and Washington, the Indian government had offered its airspace and military bases to the United States for any potential military action against the perpetrators and harbourers of these attacks.

Similarly, the Indian authorities had also issued a fake statement of the Jaish-e-Muhammad for its alleged claiming of the Monday`s suicidal car bomb attack in front of the State Assembly in the occupied Kashmir to misguide the world opinion towards the freedom struggle in occupied Kashmir.

It may recalled that the Jaish-e-Muhammad on

Tuesday forcefully refuted its involvement in the Monday`s car blast in occupied Srinagar, terming it a deep conspiracy by the Indian agencies to malign the freedom struggle.-NNI``

Well DOne Jihadis,
Another successful jihad campaign successful. Another plane down. Please tell us how people were moving around in 7th century Arabia. Are those ways of transport Islamic.

May you get slammed by your own Jihad.

same genus, different species,

Newyork bombing, kashmir killings, philippine hijackings, kenya bombings, they are done by peole of different species, but of the same genus. Their lives evolved a value system that has sustaioned violence for so long.

Because men get killed in these operations, this genus has developed polygamy to provide contnuing supply of youngsters. The women are not allowed to learn anything and are not part of the economy, because the wealth is essentially obtained by invasions. Women have to simply produce the soldiers. This is a genus that hasnt changed in a thousand years, adapting to the changing environment is a taboo to this genus.

CHANGING THE DURRAND LINE,

The british given validity of the durrand line, seperating afghansitans and pakistan ended nine years ago. It may be time to redraw it, and the tribal areas of pakistan should be given an option where to go.

It is so tragic to see musheraff asking for talks with the northern alliance. When taliban was in power, pakistan refused even to acknowledge the northern alliance.

By the way how about the southern alliance, I am talking about the south of pakistan, the MQM RAW alliance.

Grateful Pakistan celebrates Bush`s statement

Ali Mohammad Gandullah

Islamabad: Celebrations broke out and sweets were distributed in the streets of the capital after US President George Bush announced Pakistan`s inclusion in the Failed State Charity Club and a grant of two hundred dollars.

Foreign Secratary Bhikhari Khan Bhadva told reporters that Pakistan was ``pleased`` and ``indebted`` for Powell`s kind words. ``We have been trying to draw the world`s attention towards our financially and morally bankrupt country, but no one was paying attention to us. Only after President Musharraf sent his daughter to perform a table dance at the White House was some pity taken on us``, he said.

Foreign Minister Kameen Jat Khan sounded even more positive. ``Our coming generations will be grateful to President Bush``, he said. He also said that Pakistan has asked all of its provinces to provide 50 women each for the American soldiers, if they ever decide to use the Pakistani bases and facilities. He said that we would have done ``more`` but for the precarious male/female ratio in the country`s population. Since most Pakistani men are gay, the females have to go to neighboring India to get some satisfaction, he explained. In response to a question he said that we can always ``provide`` Musharraf himself and Hamid Gul if there is a battallion from San Francisco`s Castro district.

He contemptously dismissed a reported statement by Maulana Manhoos Azhar in which the Maulana had accused the Indians of being a nation of castrated eunuchs which was not willing to fight its own wars. ``They have been beaten us for the past 50 years``, he said. ``It is we who are the Eunuchs, allowing the Taliban and the Indians to walk all over us.`` President Musharaff was not available as he was busy getting a massage at Faisal Mosque.

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Is it ``halal`` to go to a psychiatrist?

Please, please stop this spewing of poison... pakistanis as well as indians... you are all (presumably)educated, thinking ppl... the depts of crudity and vulgarity that some have reached in their remarks is sickening!!!

isnt there enuf hatred in the world today?

is this the poison we plan to hand over to the generations that follow?

`Terrorism` is the result of blind hatred... and it can be directed in any direction a shrewd, cynical leader wishes as in Mark Anthony`s words `Mischief thou art afoot, take what course thou wilt``

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OK friends, it is official. According to the business section of the Washington Post today, more and more people in the US are going to internet sites to get the latest info on the current crisis. The article then notes www.Dawn.com (the Paki newspaper) as one of the most popular places for this. I guess I wasnt alone in thinking that Dawn had more up to date news on the crisis in Afghanistan than any other site. Who knows: for expert opinions on latest news as delivered by Dawn, and for good laughs, the WP may quote www.Chowk.com next!

BTW: Last night, long after BBC and CNN had reported that the Indian hijacking was a false alarm, the German news from Berlin was still reporting a hijacking. All they have to do in Europe it seems is listen to BBC and then just relay the news. Or better yet, read Dawn.

Re: Stuka #62

Hah, that`s hilarious.

Did i not say TERRORISM linked with U.S. Foreign POLICY ?

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/011004/6/bfeo.html



Women must work to temper U.S. `cowboy` response to terror crisis, says group

By STEPHEN THORNE



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OTTAWA (CP) - Canadian women should focus on tempering America`s ``cowboy-inspired`` response to the terrorist attacks in the U.S. and push for justice through the courts, a major women`s group said Thursday.

The Canadian Women`s March Committee also defended the right of Sunera Thobani, a well-known feminist, to make a controversial link between the attacks and U.S. foreign policy. Thobani, former head of the National Action Committee on the Status of Women, told a conference on Tuesday that Canadian women should not be coerced into supporting a U.S. foreign policy that is ``soaked in blood.``

The March Committee emphasized that women have more pressing issues to address than blame.

``War is not the answer to the atrocious crime against humanity committed on Sept. 11, 2001,`` said the group, which says it represents a majority of women`s organizations across Canada.

NAC vice-president Denise Andrea Campbell said Thursday that Thobani broadened discussion on the issue and put some context to the attacks.

``We really support her right - and, actually, all Canadians` right - to ask: why is this happening?`` Campbell told a news conference.

``But on behalf of women across the country . . . we are certainly more interested in looking at the immediate issue at hand, which is: how do we respond to what has happened?``

The committee opposes what it calls U.S. President George W. Bush`s ``vengeful and war-mongering response`` to the attacks. It says the world should follow United Nations guidelines and seek justice in courts of law.

``We expect our governments to lead through compassion, justice and respect for the dignity of all people,`` said the committee declaration.

There is no justification for a full-scale military response to the attacks under UN-defined grounds of self-defence, said Andree Cote, director of law reform at the National Association of Women and the Law.

``It`s so very dangerous in times like this to have unilateral, cowboy-inspired actions that will create possibly a lot of deaths of innocent civilians and international unrest,`` said Cote.

Thobani, a women`s studies professor at University of British Columbia, called the United States ``the most dangerous and the most powerful global force unleashing horrific levels of violence`` in the world today.

Her remarks were condemned by politicians and others as outrageous.

Cote said the reaction to Thobani`s statements has been more troubling than the statements themselves.

``I think this is one of the reasons that we`re opposing war,`` said Cote.

``It creates a climate of intolerance; it creates a climate where basic civil liberties can be violated, where basic freedom of expression is put in jeopardy. We`re very worried by this type of thing.``

She said media and other responses to Thobani`s speech harkened back to the 1950s era of U.S. Senator Joseph McCarthy, who conducted a witchhunt for phantom communists, destroying many innocent lives in the process.

``We want to have a democratic discussion on how to solve this horrible crisis,`` said Cote.

Campbell described Canada`s response so far as an encouraging reinforcement of the country`s traditional values of humanitarianism and peace.

Sac:

Kindly route your friend to the following show. In fact, sit with him and address his questions that may arise from the following session. That way you yourself will feel great[cannot guarantee though]. I sensed some despondency in your post and thought of referring you to the following site/program.

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On Friday, October 5, the Oprah Winfrey Show will discuss basic Islamic beliefs in a program called ``Islam 101.``

FROM THE OPRAH.COM WEB SITE: ``Since our world was horribly shaken three weeks ago, all eyes have focused on a part of the world and a set of
beliefs that many of us know very little about.

``We`re told that terrorism violates the teachings of Islam, but what is Islam? Who are Muslims? What are their practices?

``Even if you think you know the answers, this show is for you.``

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Tahmed:

Who knows ? Who knows ? Who knows ?
:)

Zeejah
``Please, please stop this spewing of poison... pakistanis as well as indians... you are all (presumably)educated, thinking ppl... the depts of crudity and vulgarity that some have reached in their remarks is sickening!!!

isnt there enuf hatred in the world today? ``

This is exactly what Jihad is today. YOu can do all the soul searching you want. The realitiy is Islamists believe the CAUSE justifies ANY MEANS. Well, the kafirs are finally waking up UNITING world wide to fight the Islamists. Doing a REVERSE AUTOMATIC JIHAD.
So Happy Jihad to you too.

shah:

``chulu bhar paani mein....``

Dawn (along with BBC,CNN) had quoted Jaish as claiming responsibility. The next day it also

quoted Jaish as denying the same. I know you trust Jaishe more. Isn`t it what we are saying? 1962 hamein bhoola nahin hai. That is why you got what u deserved in `65 and `71. Par Miyan aap tho bilkul thethar ho gaye hain. Latkhor bhi.

In digression...

Hamare yahan tho bhai, bijli kadakti hai. Bijli akarti bhi hai aur garajti bhi, yeh hamein na maloom tha. Kripaya, apne vaigyanik jigyasa ko aur adhik jaagruk karein.

:) Anyway why don`t you leave it to bijli to identify herself. Aapki bijli aap par kehar dhaati hongi, hamareh yahan tho ghar ke pichhwade mein jugnu ki tareh timtimati paayee jati hai...Aksar.

Rahi baat urdu ki... a