Declaration of Jehad

Zahra,

Zahra, thanks for the long post. Let me once again explain this to you. What you have writen is your view of islam, and unfortunately, you could not have spent much time instudying it. Yours is a `secular` view of a book, a secular reading of it.

The maulana Osama, left behind a fortune to study islam and lead a group who likes his interpetation. Zahra, not a single other muslim cares about you view of the book, you have no followers.

Now you want me to accept that yours is the `correct` others by the maulanas are wrong.

As far as I know, no maulana has condemned the towe attack, it has largely been by the muslim politicians, scholars and other individuals like you.

If you care can you give me areference to a criticsm of the attack by a maulana from pakistan.

zahra, it is sad to see, hopefully young person like you take leave of reason so easily. You say the attack was political. The man involved in the indian ailines hijacking, also a key person in the tower attack, linked by a political campaign, give a reason a break.

Zahra, just give it a possibility, it is unlikely that jihad interpretation of so many maulanas could be wrong, and only yours, zeejhas, and tahmeds are correct.

As hamidm would say, there are times to learn from other religions, may be even from the horrible hindus, say that jihad is irrelevant and move on, like how hindus say about caste. But please dont say it, life is more precious than contradicting a book.

regards and best wishes for a long life, shortened not by honour, not by fatwa.

jay

tahmed and anNy,

The great peace lover of the chowk missed the alphabet keys. The youg turk from pakistan, could find only spelling errors. Cheer up, truth can be depressing, accepting it will make you free, even free from the bookish dogmas.

regards

jay

sac#85: How about Islamic olympics in Afghanistan? The opening ceremony was marred by conflict due to cloudy sky and difficulty in sighting the moon around Kabul. Half the mullahs boycotted and fatwaed the day to be 30th of the previous months and not the begining of the new month. Pakhtuns claimed it to be the new month and Tajik regarded it the 30th of the previous. All the Tajik and about half the athletes were disqualified for appearing 24 hour late for every event. Nobody won the women swimming events because all athelets were drowned due to heavy burqa which strangled their feet movement. The clock for women 100 meter free style is still ticking even after 15 days with obviously no winner crossing the line. All the marathon runners disappeared and reappeared in Pakistani refugee camps. Islamic Pentathalon required praying five times a day and all the wahabi and deobandi athletes lost it badly due to the choice of long surats in each rakat whereas barelvis read the same surat ahad in each rakat.

During the closing ceremony, all participants prayed for clear sky for the next Islamic olympic to be held in the rainy tropics, Jakarta, so that no discrepency can happen with the date of opening ceremony.

How dare silvio Berlusconi claims western civilization to be better. stupid west believing in static calendar whereas we have dynamic lunar-hense dynamic civilization? West static bathroom places, Afghanistan dynamic-open air/ anywhere.

Thank you Zahra #96 and MFarooqui #99. I`ll read the suggested books.

This is not the right thing said by you.

There was no back for Taliban by US against USSR.

And if it is so so why American called them a terrorist and why they were called freedom fighters by the USA.

Taliban came in 1995 when they were fighting against the AntiIslam (Northern Alliance).

Taliban are great and USA is beast.

I hope that America will be attacking soon and will be broken soon. Will be tought a lesson.

USA 1981-1992 Afghanistan Jihadis are Freedom Fighter

USA 1995-2001 Afghanistan Jihadis are Terrrorist.

Just because American got there dseires full?

HmHmHm

We dont want Pakistan first we Want Islam because Pakistan was made for Islam.

America come on try still there are some muslim`s faiths are alive which will show you.

Don`t think everyone is like the writer of this ``DECLARATION OF JIHAD``

A link to visit and help

http://www.rewardsforjustice.org/

Join hands to defeat jihadi murderers.

Suspected hijack bankroller freed by India in `99

October 5, 2001 Posted: 9:16 PM EDT (0116 GMT)

http://www2.cnn.com/2001/US/10/05/inv.terror.investigation/index.html





WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A man suspected of playing a key role in bankrolling the September 11 terrorist attacks in the United States was released from prison in India less than two years ago after hijackers of an Indian Airlines flight demanded his freedom, a senior-level U.S. government source told CNN.

This source said U.S. investigators now believe Sheik Syed, using the alias Mustafa Muhammad Ahmad, sent more than $100,000 from Pakistan to Mohammed Atta, the suspected hijacking ringleader who piloted one of the jetliners into the World Trade Center.

Investigators said Atta then distributed the funds to conspirators in Florida in the weeks before the deadliest act of terrorism on U.S. soil that destroyed the World Trade Center, heavily damaged the Pentagon and left thousands dead.

In addition, sources have said Atta sent thousands of dollars -- believed to be excess funds from the operation -- back to Syed in the United Arab Emirates in the days before September 11.

Syed also is described as a key figure in the funding operation of al Qaeda, the network headed by suspected terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden.

But Syed would still be in prison were it not for the December 1999 hijacking of Indian Airlines Flight 814 -- an ordeal strikingly similar to the four hijackings carried out on September 11.

The plane, with 178 passengers on board, was en route from Katmandu, Nepal, to New Delhi, India, when terrorists used knives to take control of the aircraft, slitting the throat of one passenger to force the pilots to open the cockpit door.

For eight days, the passengers and crew were held hostage in a terrifying journey that finally ended up in Kandahar, Afghanistan, when the Indian government agreed to release three Islamic militants held in Indian prisons.

One of those men was Syed, widely recognized as the leader of an al-Qaeda-affiliated Islamic militant group known as Harkat-ul-Muhahedin, which is fighting for independence for Kashmir, a disputed region between India and Pakistan.

Because investigators have now determined that Syed and Mustafa Muhammad Ahmad are the same person, it provides another key link to bin Laden as the mastermind of the overall plot. Investigators have said at least three of the 19 suspected hijackers were tied to al Qaeda.

Syed was educated at the London School of Economics and has experience in international money transfers. Indian intelligence officials said the last time they spotted him was six months ago at a bookstore in Islamabad, Pakistan.

``He is also linked to the financial network feeding bin Laden`s assets, so therefore he`s quite an important person,`` said Magnus Ranstorp, a terrorism expert. ``He`s quite an influential person because he transfers money between various operatives, and he`s a node between al Qaeda and foot soldiers on the ground.``

nasah/anNy: Thanks folks for making a chowk poster feel wanted!! Actually, I have been spending more time on chowk than I should and need to discipline myself a bit...but not to worry, I will be the last one to leave chowk and turn the lights off!! Chowk can be fun, and for every hate-filled individual there are five great people like you two and many others.

As part of the Bush/Blair anti-terrorist coalition -- the FIRST arrest of that terrorist -- ``Maulana`` Fazlurrahman -- is the FIRST step -- for ``coalition-captive Pakistan`` -- on its reluctant march to get rid of jihadi vermins.

A blessing in disguise -- indeed for the whole subcontinent.

Mubaarak, murhabaa -- Pakistan.

Now -- the next in line -- the convicted Jaishi criminal -- ``Maulana`` Azhar.

sac #85,

``A brand new soap ``Trouble in Patoki Hospital`` starring ylh as the Jinnah-cap wearing doctor and sarwari as the ravishing nurse. RSaxena and scout play supporting roles.

first of all you have too much time on your hands.

secondly, since when have Pakistani men start fantasizing about American style soap operas?

thirdly, Rsaxena = Raveena = female. and I`m as straight as an arrow, so please lose that aspect of your fantasy soap opera.

unkal jay:

``tahmed and anNy,

The great peace lover of the chowk missed the alphabet keys. The youg turk from pakistan, could find only spelling errors. Cheer up, truth can be depressing, accepting it will make you free, even freefrom the bookish dogmas.

regards

jay``

haww..ure getting very snappy :):)

ps: missd the `n` in young ;)

This is a great article:

Islamic world must confront its Ladens: Rushdie

The Islamic world must face up to its Ladens if terrorism is to be defeated, renowned India-born author Salman Rushdie wrote in The Guardian on Saturday.

``There needs to be a thorough examination, by Muslims everywhere, of why it is that the faith they love breeds so many violent mutant strains,`` Rushdie wrote.

``If the West needs to understand its Unabombers and McVeighs, Islam needs to face up to its bin Ladens,`` he remarked, referring to the prime suspect in the terrorist attacks on the United States.

Rushdie recalled that in January 2000 he had written that ``the defining struggle of the new age would be between terrorism and security``. The worst-case scenario came true on September 11, he said.

``They broke our city,`` said the author against whom the late Iranian spiritual leader, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, had issued a death sentence for blasphemy in 1989.

``I`m among the newest of New Yorkers, but even people who have never set foot in Manhattan have felt its wounds deeply, because New York is the beating heart of the visible world -- tough-talking, spirit-dazzling, Walt Whitman`s `city of orgies, walks and joys`, his `proud and passionate city -- mettlesome, mad, extravagant city`!``

On the question of a counterattack by the US, Rushdie wrote: ``We must send our shadow-warriors against theirs, and hope that ours prevail. But this secret war alone cannot bring victory. We will also need a public, political and diplomatic offensive whose aim must be the early resolution of some of the world`s thorniest problems: above all the battle between Israel and the Palestinian people for space, dignity, recognition and survival.``

Better judgment would be required on all sides in future, he said. ``No more Sudanese aspirin factories to be bombed, please. And now that wise American heads appear to have understood that it would be wrong to bomb the impoverished, oppressed Afghan people in retaliation for their tyrannous masters` misdeeds, they might apply that wisdom, retrospectively, to what was done to the impoverished, oppressed people of Iraq. It`s time to stop making enemies and start making friends.``

Rushdie said it was essential to bring peace between Israel and Palestine. But the US could not be blamed for the attacks it had suffered, he added. The ``savaging of America by sections of the left, that has been among the most unpleasant consequences of the terrorists` attacks on the United States.``

He argued: ``A country which has just suffered the most devastating terrorist attack in history, a country in a state of deep mourning and horrible grief, is being told, heartlessly, that it is to blame for its own citizens` deaths. To excuse such an atrocity by blaming US government policies is to deny the basic idea of all morality: that individuals are responsible for their actions.``

Rushdie wrote: ``Terrorism is not the pursuit of legitimate complaints by illegitimate means. The terrorist wraps himself in the world`s grievances to cloak his true motives. Whatever the killers were trying to achieve, it seems improbable that building a better world was part of it. The fundamentalist seeks to bring down a great deal more than buildings. Such people are against, to offer just a brief list, freedom of speech, a multi-party political system, universal adult suffrage, accountable government, Jews, homosexuals, women`s rights, pluralism, secularism, short skirts, dancing, beardlessness, evolution theory, sex. These are tyrants, not Muslims.``

Rushdie said: ``What will we risk our lives to defend? Can we unanimously concur that all the items in the above list -- yes, even the short skirts and dancing -- are worth dying for? The fundamentalist believes that we believe in nothing. In his world-view, he has his absolute certainties, while we are sunk in sybaritic indulgences. To prove him wrong, we must first know that he is wrong. We must agree on what matters: kissing in public places, bacon sandwiches, disagreement, cutting-edge fashion, literature, generosity, water, a more equitable distribution of the world`s resources, movies, music, freedom of thought, beauty, love. These will be our weapons. Not by making war, but by the unafraid way we choose to live shall we defeat them.``

Jayaprakash Jee:

You didn`t get my post, whereas I did get your point but that was not the point you addressed in your earlier post to which I responded. There`s a difference. Theek! Thanks for your polite wishes. I appreciate your considerate thoughts. Same to you!

You have a lot of emphasis on honor killings in Pakistan. Just an FYI: There are a few active groups working on that. And even when we had an elected government a law could not be passed against it. What does that say? Your sentiments were indeed appreciated; but when your own country is upside down in that regard, telling every other woman from Pakistan,(macho sac not included)to look into honor killings, is quite absurd.

I remember having a lunch, a few years back at a north-indian lady`s place. As I sat down and talked to a few senior women from Dilli, I was surprised to hear their remarks on the treatment of women in India. In fact, I was not even interested in knowing the details, but my host`s guest kept on bringing it up. One guest`s husband worked for indian armed forces,looked pretty decent, must be of my father`s age; but hearing his wife`s remarks/concerns made me think something. His wife said that women in her part of the world were treated like animals and had no say. In fact, I cross-questioned her on that, with a hairat-zada-safaid-face, ``in India?``. She was so emphatic about her views that she repeated those with disgust. I went silent after that; realizing that it was a very sensitive issue for her. For me, it was very surprising! I did not expect that to hear from someone who had daughters studying and working in the US and had an intelligent husband. I exchanged views with her husband and found him pretty normal; but the wife`s comments stayed with me for a while and I did not like them.

From that, I conculded that there must be a significant % of men(from the subcontinent), going through an imbalance in their testosterone level. As a result it makes them look and act like bh`aloo`s. They require treatment for their illness asap - if a society has to improve in its substance in any way or shape.

Now, who should bell the cat? Oops, sorry for the typo. Who should bell the bhaloos?

It has to start with the women(mothers). In short, it`s the women who are to be blamed for the mess they are in! There should be a clear-cut ban on male babies in south-east-asia for at least a decade or so!!(My fatwa)!! A decade free of bhaloos!!! Hope you concur with my humble suggestion/proposal.

Best Regards.

Shabana #105 ... i accept u might be a better muslim than i; therefore, i wish to learn from your greater knowledge... please show me the Surah in the Quran where suicide and murder of non-combatants/innocent people is allowed?

Zahra,

At least as you have deviated from my post, hopefully is an acceptance that your interpretation of islam is with out much of any wider acceptance.

Honour killing is definitely my favourite topic. You cite crimes against women in india. Nearly ten years ago a law was enacted swhich says that if a woman dies with in seven years of marriage due to unnatural causes, the husband family has to charged with murder and investigated. This I am talking about is the institutional arrangement, not gossip in a party.

Compare that with institutional arrangement in pakistan. Lahore high court declares honou killing as legal, and Zhras and Zeejhas of pakistan writes about jihad, trying to rehabilitate it.

A woman gets killed in a high profilr jhuman rights lawyers office, can you believe Zahra, just imagine, no one has been chargd with any crime. Asma Jahangir gets charged under sharia law.

It is a sad fact of life that pakistanis just cannot ubderstand the difference, the himalayan difference between institutional aspects, essentially the law of the land and individual acts of crime. In pakistan honou killing is not a crime, it is just a good days honest work for a man.

Regards and best wishes to know the difference between legal frame work and acts of crime. A society cannot hope to eliminate something like honour killing, if it is not defined as a crim by the society. Zahra, I know to accept the above will be to accept something terrible about pakistan, the entire society, and the helplessness of women like you, and I can understand your continuing confusion.

Zahra #113, ``There should be a clear-cut ban on male babies in south-east-asia for at least a

decade or so!!(My fatwa)!!``

Amen to that ;)