In This Together

shammi on ali:

``Not a single person has found you to be polite.``

with all due respect sir, i have, i think ali is a fine young man. he gives back what he gets, which is why he is stereotyped as he is. we need to be fair in our critisism. there are other interactors wo behave as obscenely as he does (and he DOES)- why not reprimand and direct posts to them too?

ali1:

she is an absolute, bonafide, certified, verafied jaan :)

ali1 #76
``Sadna, its a waste of time interacting with proven shameless liars. ``

Authenticity by accusation, thanks.

`` Distortions, exaggerations and outright lies ``

Interesting statement of self-realization:

ali1 #52
`` Your parents in India made such a compromise with your first name. ``
ali1 #55
`` Of course we make all sorts of (fig-leaf) justifications for our compromises.........``

ali1 #63
`` But a ``beleaguered Indian pseudo-secular muslim`` like yourself couldn`t help jumping in, probably just to prove your secular-than-thou credentials?

ali1 #63
``Until it happens both ways, it would remain a compromise (aka suc_king up to Hindus) on the part of Indian muslims.
Unless ``any natural expression of big heartedness`` comes from the other side, this ``small hearted`` pakistani would continue to think of your kinds as spineless turds.``

Till Indian Hindus adopt Muslim names, the Pakistani is the one with the spine. This what they teach in those Oxford/Cambridge schools at such great expense?

``BTW what do you consider a ``natural expression of big heartedness`` from the other side these days? That they haven`t burnt down your house in the past 5 years and that you are not one of 17000 Gujrati Muslim TADA detainees?``

Ahmedi mosques can get burnt and Shias can be killed, and those taken in custody after the incidents are Ahmadis and Shias. Thats the same Pakistani showing his self-same spine.

So are Hindus adopting Muslim names blasphemous or not? Were Muslims protesting the same Sakina right or wrong?

Reply # 70 saminashah

I am impressed. I think your students are blessed to have you as their teacher. Your husband is blessed to have you as his wife. Your friends are blessed to have you as a friend. Chowk is blessed to have you as an interactor.

I am blessed to have you as my guide, mentor and teacher.

love and regards

manhoos aadmi

Re: Ali

When I was a kid, there was a guy in my school whose name was David Din Dayal. What a wonderful name -- you would never have been able to guess his religion (was he Christian, Muslim or Hindu?). We never asked, and never imputed him to change it. I doubt that even you would be rude enough to ask anyone face to face (like you did to Jawahara) the type of question that you asked her. Not a single person has found you to be polite.

Reply # 68 sadna

Distortions, exaggerations and outright lies

Sadna, its a waste of time interacting with proven shameless liars.

Remember the lie ``no women were allowed to vote in the local bodies polls in NWFP``?. Remember how a pakistani kid, young enough to be the liar`s grandson, exposed this lie?

``Sakina`` was discussed in detail in a recent Chowk article. Read it again. You might remember more than you ``seem to remember`` now.

Reply # 66 Eklavya

[``LOL...I could rip you apart in two minutes but I gave up that game long ago.``]

Dhannivaal Maharaaj.

RE Reply # 67 RSaxena

[``ali the inbred mullah``]

sexena the progeny of HIV positive devdasi and the village high priest

[``What`s your beef with Zafar? That he is a highly educated and moderate INDIAN Muslim``]

That a hindu bigot/muslim hater like you thinks highly of Zafar is proof enough that he is what I think he is.

ali,

here you go:

Ignorance

In Pennsylvania, among some mountain people, ignorant means rude. They also say backward when we would say shy. They are ignorant of our parlance, but they`re not rude, maybe just a little backward in our sense of the word. Surely someone, some farmer, or musician or mechanic, is thinking the same about us. Bliss? What we don`t know chains us, leaves us sitting in the valley with a stupid smile. We discover our ignorance as we go. After a lifetime, if we`ve been attentive, we should fall to our knees before the vastness, the ungraspable minutiae of our world. We should suspect that this constitutes our God. And we so called experts of this or that, could we have done more than play our one chord? Wisdom is to know, at best, that we make only a little good noise, a few small dents. Its why the wise laugh a lot, why the laughter of metaphysicians echo in the spaces they probe. We walk out of our houses into the enormity of our task. What kind of ant is that? Who named the phlox? Is that a path or a rut? -Stephen Dunn

hows anNy for a paranoid muslim like me zafarsaaab?

ali1 #63
Thats how it all began. Muslims were considered less authentic if they lived in the same country with Hindus. Then Pakistanis were considered less authentic Pakistani if they werenot Muslims. Then Muslims were considered less authentic if they were Ahmediyyas. Then Pakistanis were considered less authentic if they were Bengali. Now Muslims are declared less authentic by any dissipated old debauch who cares to proclaim them so. This is called religion/identity/nationality by accusation. The one who accuses is more authentic. You are trying to buy yourself some authenticity, tell us someday why.

I seem to remember just the use of the name Sakina belonging to a Muslim heroine in a Hindi movie was considered a insult to Islam and the Prophet. If Hindus began taking to Muslim names in a big way, it could be called blasphemous. Is it more respectful to layoff Muslim names or more respectful to adopt them?

ali the inbred mullah

What`s your beef with Zafar? That he is a highly educated and moderate INDIAN Muslim who doesn`t buy into your jehadi bull$hit?

Ali1,

LOL...I could rip you apart in two minutes but I gave up that game long ago. Be happy.

What kind of a name is Ali#1. A Pakistani-David Dhawan combo perhaps? A secret crush on Govinda maybe?

Zafar:

beleaguered Indian pseudo-secular muslim`` like yourself couldn`t help jumping in, probably just to prove your secular-than-thou credentials?

Arrey, yeh to BJP waley kee tarah bolta hai. I didn`t know BJP had a following among Pakistani Muslims ;)

Al Talib # 58

I was referring to the social rather than the religious aspect of changing names. But a ``beleaguered Indian pseudo-secular muslim`` like yourself couldn`t help jumping in, probably just to prove your secular-than-thou credentials?

There is no such thing as a ``muslim`` name. Arabic names are not muslims names. Haven`t you met an Arab christian named Abdullah? Persians, Afghanis, Turks, Indonesians etc. converted largely without changing their names. Do you think Asfandyar, Izzat Beg, Gulbudin and Megawati are ``muslim`` names?.

Indian converts chose differently because of two reasons, firstly to gain more acceptance within the dominant muslim society (a purely social phonomenon like a Harsha changes to Hersh in the US) and secondly to create a separate identity for themselves, which was/is a political rather a religous phenomenon.

Coming to your point, I would have more respect for a Usha Ismail or a Jawahara Saidullah if I would have known a Hindu Mohamed Talibani. Until it happens both ways, it would remain a compromise (aka suc_king up to Hindus) on the part of Indian muslims.

Unless ``any natural expression of big heartedness`` comes from the other side, this ``small hearted`` pakistani would continue to think of your kinds as spineless turds.

BTW what do you consider a ``natural expression of big heartedness`` from the other side these days? That they haven`t burnt down your house in the past 5 years and that you are not one of 17000 Gujrati Muslim TADA detainees?

Eklavia # 57

[``Man, you are a sick person.``]

Whatever. Go fcuk yourself.

Scout # 56

[``Isn`t it childish of you to pick on someone because their name``]

Isn`t it fun to pull the dhoti of nehruvian liberals once in a while??

``My parents did not compromise anything with my first name. We are Indian, so I got an Indian name. Apart from that my grandfather was a personal friend of Mr. Nehru`s and he (my granfather, that is) died quite soon after I was born...3 months later... and it made him happy before he went, that since I was born on Jan 26th (Republic Day) and that my parents chose to honor his friend and our country through my name.``

You`re a precious jawahar, Jawahara. Keep your head high here as well -- as you did in India.