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shah,

{{Is there any one in the world that doesnt want to ``Coddle up to America `` on grounds of principles.There is NONE!!}}

Exactly. So when all is said & done, everybody in this world is just as pragmatic, devious, & protective of their own interests. Principals gaya gutter mein.

So Mr Shah, when you piously point your fingers at America`s treacherous hypocracy, please remember you & I arent any better than them.

In life, people who become moral jurists are usually the least qualified to stand on morality. So spare us your bs.

Islamic prohibition on air attacks in NY & DC

on September 11th 2001

the attackers were:

“enemies of Islam”

“not martyrs, but mass murderers, pure and simple.”

“there`s no Muslim who understands his religion at all who would condone this”

QURAN

Allah (God) says

``Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you but do NOT transgress limits; for Allah does not love transgressors``

[Surah al Baqara (2): 190]

HADITH

Prophet Muhammad said

``Do not be people without minds of your own, saying that if others treat you well you will treat them well and that if they do wrong you will do wrong. But accustom yourselves to do good if people do good to you and NOT to do wrong if they do evil.``

[Tirmidhi 5129]

FIQH

Rules of war in Islam

It is prohibited to:

1.Kill traders, merchants, contractors and the like are to be spared if they do not take part in actual fighting

[Kharaj of Yahya p 34]

2. Kill non-Combatants

[Mabsit of Sarakhisiy, X, 64:

3. Combatants are only those who are physically capable of fighting

[Sharhj al siyar al kabir, IV,78]

4. Kill women

[Idem, I, 59, 34]

5. Kill minors, servants, and slaves who accompany their masters yet do not take part in actual fighting

[Sharhj al siyar al kabir, IV, 79-80]

6. Kill the blind

[Mabsit of Sarakhsiy, X, 69]

7. Kill monks

[Sharhj al siyar al kabir, I, 33]

8. Kill hermits

[Idem, III, 190]

9. Kill the very old

[Mabsut of Sarakhsiy, X, 6]

10. Kill those physically incapable of fighting

[Idem, p69]

11. Kill the insane or delirious

[Mabsut of Sarakhsiy p 69]

12. Killing peasants when they do not fight and the result of war is indifferent on them

[Idem, IV, 79]

For more details click here

select Islamic Articles

then scroll down to ‘wars’

YUSUF QARADAWI

(scholar)

Statement on September 13th 2001

Islam, the religion of tolerance, holds the human soul in high esteem, and considers the attack

against innocent human beings a grave sin, this is backed by the Quranic verse which reads:

Who so ever kills a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall

be as if he has killed all mankind, and who so ever saves the life of one, it shall be as if he had

saved the life of all mankind``

[Surah al-Ma`dah (5) :32]

He added that haphazard killing where the rough is taken with the smooth and where innocents

are killed along with wrongdoers is totally forbidden in Islam.

HUSSEIN FADLULLAH

(scholar)

Statement

Muslim opposition to oppression of the Palestinian people and other Muslim peoples doesn`t justify attacking and killing innocent people

IBN BAAZ

(scholar)

Regarding those who partake in bombings and hijackings

... they are NOT to be co-operated with, nor are they to be given salaams to. Rather, they are to be cut off from, and the people are to be warned against their evil. Since they are a fitnah (tribulation/trial) and are harmful to the Muslims, and they are the brothers of the Devil!

[Dhul-Hijjah 1408H (1987CE) at at-Tawiyyatul-Islaamiyyah]

IBN JIBREEN

(scholar)

Hijacking planes and ships

There is no doubt that hijacking is a mistake, ignorance and falsehood. Further, it is a transgression beyond the limits causing terror to the passengers, and threatening them with that which they have no power to carry out, and Allaah knows best

[Kayfa Nu`aalij Waaqi`unaa al-Aleem - Page 113]

IBN BAAZ

(scholar)

Hijacking planes and kidnapping

From that which is known to everyone who has the slightest bit of common sense is that hijacking airplanes and kidnapping children and the like are extremely great crimes, the world over. Their evil effects are far and wide, as is the great harm and inconvenience caused to the innocent; the total effect of which none can comprehend except Allah (God).

There is no doubt about the effect of these crimes; so it is obligatory upon the governments and those responsible from amongst the scholars and other than them to afford these issues great concern, and to exert themselves as much as possible in ending this evil

[Kayfa Nu`aalij Waaqi`unaa al-Aleem - Page 108-109]

IBN UTHMAYN

(scholar)

Suicide bombings

As for what some people do regarding activities of suicide, tying explosives to themselves and then approaching Unbelievers and detonating them amongst them, then this is a case of suicide.

This is haram (forbidden) and regarded as amongst the major sins… the one who commits suicide, generally does so because of his desperate situation… so he has progressed from that which was tough (bad) to that which is worse.

[Kayfa Nu`aalij Waaqi`unaa al-Aleem - Page 120]

IBN UTHMAYN

(scholar)

Attacking the enemy by blowing oneself up in a car?

Indeed, my opinion is that he is regarded as one who has killed himself (committed suicide), and as a result he shall be punished in Hell.

However, one who is ignorant and does not know, and assumes his action was good and pleasing to Allah, then we hope Allah forgives him for that which he did out of (ignorant) ijtihaad (personal reasoning)

…many amongst them do not desire anything except revenge of the enemy, by whatever means, be it halal (permitted) or haram (forbidden). So they only want to satisfy their thirst for revenge.

[Kayfa Nu`aalij Waaqi`unaa al-Aleem - Page 119]

Key & Explanation

Quran: Muslim holy book, revealed to Prophet Muhammad by the Angel Gabriel over 1400 years ago.

Read the English Translation

Hadith: This is a statement / saying of Prophet Muhammad. There are many statements collected

due to the extensive oral tradition of the Arabs. The collected hadith are called the Sunnah

Fiqh: Islamic law: derived from the Quran and Sunnah

Allah: This is the Arabic name for God

Osama has support among Indian Muslims

Cycle rally in Osama`s support

ALGAON: The situation at Lonwadi village in Badwad taluka of the district, which witnessed clashes between two communities after a cycle rally in support of suspected terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden, was tense but under control on Saturday.

About 20 persons, with green flags on their bicycles, took out a rally, shouting pro-Laden, pro-Musharraf slogans on Thursday, and later hoisted green flags on the panchayat building and on electric posts, police said.

Village sarpanch Mohan Dethe, who tried to stop the rally, was beaten up. He has been admitted to the civic hospital, the police added. Mr Dethe filed a complaint with the police, leading to the arrest of 16 persons, which sparked off clashes between two communities. The 16 arrested were released on bail on Saturday by a Bhusawal court, police said.

( PTI )

Hey - how`s Al-Talib as an inconvenient name these days? Alhamdolillah, my parents didn`t name me Osama...

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NICOLE KIDMAN has launched a scathing attack on Spanish actress PENELOPE CRUZ claiming that she is too shallow to be allowed near her children.

Kidman is currently slugging it out with her ex-husband, TOM CRUISE in the divorce courts over his $364 (£280 million) fortune and has now started laying into his new girlfriend.

Cruise and Kidman adopted two children during their marriage and Nicole is adamant that Cruz would be a bad influence on ISABELLA, eight, and CONNOR, six.

She says, ``I would not want them to get the feeling that big shopping is all they need in their lives like Penelope would do.``

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If you are an Afghan woman you could be beaten or killed for:

• Leaving the house unless accompanied by husband,

brother or son.

• Walking with a man who is not a relative.

• Showing any part of the body.

• Laughing in public.

• Seeing a doctor that is not a woman, but

female doctors are rare, since the Taliban has put a ban on education for women.

• Wearing white (the color of the Taliban flag).

re: Zafar Al-Talib # 42

Zafar,

A rose by any other name...

Ek

P.S. And that goes for Jawahara too.

Zafar #42

[Hey - how`s Al-Talib as an inconvenient name these days? Alhamdolillah, my parents didn`t name me Osama...]

Warning: irrelevant musings follow.

Just wondering.... shouldn`t it be aTTalib by the rules of Arabic grammer?

Reply Eklavya # 45

“A rose by any other name...”

Eklavya, I’m sure that I’m very grateful (I thiiiiiiiiiiink) but poor Jawahara hardly deserves to be lumped in with such as my humble self.

Or is all this lucknawi thaqalluf whizzing over my poor Memon head? Hai rabbaan mainnoo chuk lai…(please see a Panjabi for translation if required.)

Zafar

PS I’m still glad I’m not called Osama.

Reply Neptune # 46

“Just wondering.... shouldn`t it be aTTalib by the rules of Arabic grammer?”

Neptunedada

Er….actually this is a little embarrassing…you see, this last name is actually not one handed down over the generations from the dawn of time…in fact, my father and his brothers were the first in their families to actually require last names….before that my grandfather just used his father’s name after his own, etc….but anyway, school and college required these things….so they all went off and chose the last name they liked….which is why some of my chachas have the same last name, and others are Talibs and others are even Sattars…

Now for the embarrassing part…see, my father was going through this Arabist phase at the time (well he was only 19 or 20 yaar)…so he picked Al-Talib, which certainly SOUNDS very Arab to our ear…but actually no Arab is called Al-Talib…so the name indicates, to all Arabs, that I am not one. (Apparently.)…Plus causing grief to all goragori telesales people who have the temerity to ring me and try and flog shag carpets with Micky Mouse designs, etc.

But you are 100% correct – when written in Arabic the name includes a laam (l sound) but it is not pronounced, rather the following consonant thoy (th sound) is emphasised. There’s a whole set of consonants which behave like this when preceded by the Arabic definite article (Al….my goodness, grammar ki bhalo, na? Well I like it…) including the r sound, some of the s sounds and the rest I forget. (oh yes, also the l sound.)

Hope you are well,

Zafar

PS History is the struggle of the classes. Please discuss with reference to Chowk.

Zafar:

Hai rabbaan mainnoo chuk lai…(please see a Panjabi for translation if required.)

This reminds me of a line from a play called ``Bakra Kishton Pey`` Part 2

The line is: ``Aapney mujhey uthaya, Allah aapko uthaye``..

Zafar, I am glad you are not called Osama either. BTW, I know someone who works with someone called Osama. Poor guy!

Deepika #41

About 20 persons, with green flags on their bicycles, took out a rally, shouting pro-Laden, pro-Musharraf slogans…

….pro-osama and pro-musharraf? do you even read what you paste?

Changing names:

Dear Ms. Saidullah,

All of us who live as minorities by choice have to make compromises to become more acceptable to the majority. Your parents in India made such a compromise with your first name. You shouldn`t hesitate to change your last name here in the US.

I suggest Jawahara Nehru if you want to show some pride in your Indian heritage. Jawahara Jones rhymes well, otherwise.

Just a clarification on the last posting.

My parents did not compromise anything with my first name. We are Indian, so I got an Indian name. Apart from that my grandfather was a personal friend of Mr. Nehru`s and he (my granfather, that is) died quite soon after I was born...3 months later... and it made him happy before he went, that since I was born on Jan 26th (Republic Day) and that my parents chose to honor his friend and our country through my name.