Military Action Begins in Afghanistan
Chowk P Room October 8, 2001
#17 Posted by Bijli on October 8, 2001 9:20:13 pm
The CPM.which rules 2 large states like KERALA & W.Bengal & CPI with its spread out M.P. s from diverse states have always had brain to stand upto America both in 70s against Vetnam & through out loose cannon policy of America.Even if it doesnt matter internationally due to SOLD out Foreign poicy of proverbial dumb north Indian `satu khor` HIndian,less intelligent & straight jacket persons of Sangh Parivar & And its Limlings following coalition smaller parties!!
TUESDAY, OCTOBER 09, 2001
THE TIMES OF INDIA
Left opposes US action, Congress plays safe
TIMES NEWS NETWORK
EW DELHI: The Left parties have cautioned the government against joining the attack launched by the US and its NATO allies on Afghanistan. ``Such a step would have dangerous consequences for our region and for national sovereignty,`` the four Left parties said in a joint statement on Monday.
The CPM, CPI, RSP and Forward Bloc gave a call for a joint campaign to protest against the ``unilateral war`` and directed their units to organise demonstrations on October 12 all over the country.
``By launching a full-scale war against Afghanistan, the main sufferers will be the people of that country,`` the four parties said, claiming that any action against the suspected terrorist elements should have been under the aegis of the UN and on the basis of international law.
An ambivalent Congress responded cautiously. Not wanting to antagonise the US, it did not oppose the war but expressed sympathy for the ``innocent citizens of Afghanistan``. It also urged the NDA government to use this opportunity to ensure that India`s concerns were addressed adequately, and noted that it had failed to pursue India`s case vigorously.
``If this is to be a global effort, all those spots which are suffering from terrorism need to be addressed, and Jammu and Kashmir is one of them,`` party spokesperson Jaipal Reddy said. The Congress statement ``noted with sadness that Afghanistan has once again been pushed into the trauma of war`` and regretted that the Taliban had not been responsive to the world concerns against wanton terrorism and violence.
It reiterated support for a global alliance against terrorism, but said, ``We are still to see a satisfactory global coalition that addressed concerns and interests of India.`` It was pointed out that India had been a long-suffering target of cross-border terrorism, and the people expected the government to strive more vigorously to end it.
BJP president Jana Krishnamurthy said he did not expect the military operations in Afghanistan to have any fallout on India, as he hoped it would be a short, limited action. ``What concerns us more,`` he said, ``are incidents such as the attack on the Jammu and Kashmir assembly. And chief minister Farooq Abdullah rightly said his patience was running out.`` He also repeated that India must look for a solution to the Kashmir problem on its own, and not expect help from any other country to check terrorism there.
Appealing to the Congress and the opposition not to undermine the government at a difficult time, he said the BJP stood solidly behind the government. ``If any opposition leader wants any clarifications from the government, he is welcome to meet the PM,`` he said.
TUESDAY, OCTOBER 09, 2001
THE TIMES OF INDIA
Left opposes US action, Congress plays safe
TIMES NEWS NETWORK
EW DELHI: The Left parties have cautioned the government against joining the attack launched by the US and its NATO allies on Afghanistan. ``Such a step would have dangerous consequences for our region and for national sovereignty,`` the four Left parties said in a joint statement on Monday.
The CPM, CPI, RSP and Forward Bloc gave a call for a joint campaign to protest against the ``unilateral war`` and directed their units to organise demonstrations on October 12 all over the country.
``By launching a full-scale war against Afghanistan, the main sufferers will be the people of that country,`` the four parties said, claiming that any action against the suspected terrorist elements should have been under the aegis of the UN and on the basis of international law.
An ambivalent Congress responded cautiously. Not wanting to antagonise the US, it did not oppose the war but expressed sympathy for the ``innocent citizens of Afghanistan``. It also urged the NDA government to use this opportunity to ensure that India`s concerns were addressed adequately, and noted that it had failed to pursue India`s case vigorously.
``If this is to be a global effort, all those spots which are suffering from terrorism need to be addressed, and Jammu and Kashmir is one of them,`` party spokesperson Jaipal Reddy said. The Congress statement ``noted with sadness that Afghanistan has once again been pushed into the trauma of war`` and regretted that the Taliban had not been responsive to the world concerns against wanton terrorism and violence.
It reiterated support for a global alliance against terrorism, but said, ``We are still to see a satisfactory global coalition that addressed concerns and interests of India.`` It was pointed out that India had been a long-suffering target of cross-border terrorism, and the people expected the government to strive more vigorously to end it.
BJP president Jana Krishnamurthy said he did not expect the military operations in Afghanistan to have any fallout on India, as he hoped it would be a short, limited action. ``What concerns us more,`` he said, ``are incidents such as the attack on the Jammu and Kashmir assembly. And chief minister Farooq Abdullah rightly said his patience was running out.`` He also repeated that India must look for a solution to the Kashmir problem on its own, and not expect help from any other country to check terrorism there.
Appealing to the Congress and the opposition not to undermine the government at a difficult time, he said the BJP stood solidly behind the government. ``If any opposition leader wants any clarifications from the government, he is welcome to meet the PM,`` he said.
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#18 Posted by ram-rahim on October 8, 2001 9:20:13 pm
I hope and pray that Mr. Musharraf`s will be successful bringing Paskistan back to what Mr. Jinah had hoped for.
#19 Posted by Rdesikan on October 8, 2001 9:20:13 pm
Check this archived story from NPR [Fresh Air with Terry Gross, sept 27,01] to get a better understanding of the minds of the perverts who did it. mamoun Fandy is an Egytpian academic in the US who spent 2 years in Saudi researching his stuff.
http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/fa/20010927.fa.ram
http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/fa/20010927.fa.ram
#20 Posted by RanaRansher on October 8, 2001 10:23:51 pm
re: illusion
wha....what ???? I am not trying to be anybody. or trying to do anything that you think I am.
RanaRansher is by no means a Muslim name (BTW what exactly is a Muslim name, Arabic, Persian, Turkic, etc.) Rana is a Rajput tribe name, Ran is Sankrit for battle and sher is well you know.
WHat I am spewing is merely a humourous (albeit of a dark dark variety) jibe at Pakistan`s Afghan and Indian foreign policy. (under the auspicious of its Islamist ISI leadership). How they have (ab)used terms like ``indigenous``, ``freedom struggle``, ``Jihad``, ``enemy of Islam``, ``self determination`` , etc. and meanwhile pushed their own oppressive agenda on their people. ANd NOW their shameless volte-face on some of it. (err.....if you still don`t know what I am talking about, frankly, bhai-saab aap side se nikal jaao, mujhe maaf karo, I did not mean to offend you)
And of course, the style of delivery, is something I have become a big fan of. It is the Mullah ABdul Salaam Zaeef ``school of cummunication and Diplomacy``. We have been graced with this guys ``illuminationing insights`` ever since these terrorists high-jacked the Indian Airlines and took it to Kandhahar. RIght from them on till now where ``he (quite craftily) said the now famous lines ``But WHere is the pruuuf ?`` ....... you see, you may not understand but if he heard my line about ``Where is the Pruuff that US has attacked ? US is in the West and very far away, is it not ?? Pakistan is to the east - Ahaaaa`` He would surely understand and acknowledge good diplomacy
wha....what ???? I am not trying to be anybody. or trying to do anything that you think I am.
RanaRansher is by no means a Muslim name (BTW what exactly is a Muslim name, Arabic, Persian, Turkic, etc.) Rana is a Rajput tribe name, Ran is Sankrit for battle and sher is well you know.
WHat I am spewing is merely a humourous (albeit of a dark dark variety) jibe at Pakistan`s Afghan and Indian foreign policy. (under the auspicious of its Islamist ISI leadership). How they have (ab)used terms like ``indigenous``, ``freedom struggle``, ``Jihad``, ``enemy of Islam``, ``self determination`` , etc. and meanwhile pushed their own oppressive agenda on their people. ANd NOW their shameless volte-face on some of it. (err.....if you still don`t know what I am talking about, frankly, bhai-saab aap side se nikal jaao, mujhe maaf karo, I did not mean to offend you)
And of course, the style of delivery, is something I have become a big fan of. It is the Mullah ABdul Salaam Zaeef ``school of cummunication and Diplomacy``. We have been graced with this guys ``illuminationing insights`` ever since these terrorists high-jacked the Indian Airlines and took it to Kandhahar. RIght from them on till now where ``he (quite craftily) said the now famous lines ``But WHere is the pruuuf ?`` ....... you see, you may not understand but if he heard my line about ``Where is the Pruuff that US has attacked ? US is in the West and very far away, is it not ?? Pakistan is to the east - Ahaaaa`` He would surely understand and acknowledge good diplomacy
#21 Posted by Zahra on October 9, 2001 12:12:20 am
Hearing Gen. Musharaf for the 1st time on CNN, I thought he handled his press conference pretty well. The series of questions that followed his speech, included some interesting and thought-provoking points. One of the journalists, very openly, congratulated him for his statesmanship, despite being a soldier; and the viewer could see the General`s urge to go and hug the journalist. The General, in a very relieved and joyous mode, thanked him. That said a lot! He handled, the question, on the changes, in the ISI, in a cool manner. Well, of course, it was not the right forum, to discuss all the internal matters, with the world. Secondly, it was quite appropriate, to avoid delving into, the matters of Kashmir and India, during that session. It was again, not the right forum, to discuss those issues.
In short, a well-taken calculated move!
[A Concern: The General needed a good hair-stylist, to fix his hair-strand, resting at an angle, on his forehead, giving him a little childish look - otherwise his hair-cut looked good!]
Protests will happen all over the world as everyone does not hold the same opinion on war and peace; but destroying UNICEF`s building and many other government buildings in one`s own hometown, is nothing, but a foolish act. It`s very sad how the mob, in Quetta, behaved. That`s the difference between a protest in a civilized world vs one in an opium-driven world. It seemed the mob wanted Quetta to look like Kabul`s ruins? Well, the attempts signified the mental derangement. Very Sad!
The Pakistani Government`s main challenge will be handling the in-house issues that can cause a lot of unrest. I hope the masses realize that it takes a lot of resources to construct a building, but it takes a minute to destroy everything. A third world country, on the verge of a major internal change, cannot afford such damages.
This takes us back to the question raised by someone: What are the expectations of the average Pakistani from their country?
In short, a well-taken calculated move!
[A Concern: The General needed a good hair-stylist, to fix his hair-strand, resting at an angle, on his forehead, giving him a little childish look - otherwise his hair-cut looked good!]
Protests will happen all over the world as everyone does not hold the same opinion on war and peace; but destroying UNICEF`s building and many other government buildings in one`s own hometown, is nothing, but a foolish act. It`s very sad how the mob, in Quetta, behaved. That`s the difference between a protest in a civilized world vs one in an opium-driven world. It seemed the mob wanted Quetta to look like Kabul`s ruins? Well, the attempts signified the mental derangement. Very Sad!
The Pakistani Government`s main challenge will be handling the in-house issues that can cause a lot of unrest. I hope the masses realize that it takes a lot of resources to construct a building, but it takes a minute to destroy everything. A third world country, on the verge of a major internal change, cannot afford such damages.
This takes us back to the question raised by someone: What are the expectations of the average Pakistani from their country?
#22 Posted by stuka on October 9, 2001 12:48:06 am
Illumination:
Dude, I`m Indian, and Ii agree with you hundred percent.
Dude, I`m Indian, and Ii agree with you hundred percent.
#23 Posted by reason on October 9, 2001 12:48:06 am
I think it is high time we do a self analysis and try to find the enemy within ourselves rather than blame US or israel
for our ills . i have seen so many muslims who hardly care for simple basic tenets of the religion but would like
to get involved in rheotoric against our so called enemies of the religion . it is such a shame to see these people
hold demostrations in the name of religion and damage public property and undulge in loot and arson . i have been
seeing the pictures of demonstrations of protest in pakistans and i am sure 90% of those people there do not understand or
comprehend the gravity of the situation . A person who has killed innocents cannot be a hero . if he is a real hero then
why did he not come out and sacrifices himself to save the people of Afghanistan from the horrors of war . unless he
is fighting his own battle or he himself is a victim/priosner of some conspiracy . but dont you think the hatred
of ours can be used by anyone to gain his personal goal
is it not easy for enemies of islam hire people like OBL to carry our acts of terror to defame islam . For once cant we think with logic and reason rather than emotions
for our ills . i have seen so many muslims who hardly care for simple basic tenets of the religion but would like
to get involved in rheotoric against our so called enemies of the religion . it is such a shame to see these people
hold demostrations in the name of religion and damage public property and undulge in loot and arson . i have been
seeing the pictures of demonstrations of protest in pakistans and i am sure 90% of those people there do not understand or
comprehend the gravity of the situation . A person who has killed innocents cannot be a hero . if he is a real hero then
why did he not come out and sacrifices himself to save the people of Afghanistan from the horrors of war . unless he
is fighting his own battle or he himself is a victim/priosner of some conspiracy . but dont you think the hatred
of ours can be used by anyone to gain his personal goal
is it not easy for enemies of islam hire people like OBL to carry our acts of terror to defame islam . For once cant we think with logic and reason rather than emotions
#24 Posted by soysauce on October 9, 2001 12:48:06 am
#13 Sameer
You seem to be the only pakistani who is questioning Musharraf. Everyone else here has been talking up how diplomatic he is, &c ad nauseum. I mean what choices did this guy really have? His first priority is self preservation. If that coincides with pakistani national interest well and good. If not, first things first. Why did he overthrow Nawaz? Because Nawaz fired him. Why did he sack the ISI chief? Because that`s what america wanted him to do and he`d be foolish to disobey. (``This is the signal we have been waiting for,`` a western diplomat told the AFP news agency in
Islamabad - on Mahmood Ahmed getting the boot as per BBC).
A henchman of his, a co-conspirator of kargil episode got promoted. So we can see where things are going. Forced to put a lid on the shenanigans in afghanistan, Musharraf is training his guns on kashmir. That`s the only way he can survive. Otherwise he risks being overthrown himself.
So it looks like only jihad and military rule for a while yet. My heartfelt condolences to you, and other sane-minded pakistanis Sameer.
You seem to be the only pakistani who is questioning Musharraf. Everyone else here has been talking up how diplomatic he is, &c ad nauseum. I mean what choices did this guy really have? His first priority is self preservation. If that coincides with pakistani national interest well and good. If not, first things first. Why did he overthrow Nawaz? Because Nawaz fired him. Why did he sack the ISI chief? Because that`s what america wanted him to do and he`d be foolish to disobey. (``This is the signal we have been waiting for,`` a western diplomat told the AFP news agency in
Islamabad - on Mahmood Ahmed getting the boot as per BBC).
A henchman of his, a co-conspirator of kargil episode got promoted. So we can see where things are going. Forced to put a lid on the shenanigans in afghanistan, Musharraf is training his guns on kashmir. That`s the only way he can survive. Otherwise he risks being overthrown himself.
So it looks like only jihad and military rule for a while yet. My heartfelt condolences to you, and other sane-minded pakistanis Sameer.
#25 Posted by Layman on October 9, 2001 1:32:05 am
nameless #5:
A charitable explanation would be that Musharraf so far was not strong enough to throw out the fundo generals (he being a mohajir and all that); but has used the current situation to throw them out. He has unprecendented support from the West today and knows that if he is overthrown, any succeeding general will be opposed strongly by the West.
Musharraf has gained personally because internationally, he has suddenly become respectable. Internally, within Pak, he wields absolute power - there is no challenge from within the army or from the political parties. His only possible rival could be the jihadis whom he raised - he has been careful not to constrain the jihadis fighting in Kashmir. Hence, I think he is in a very strong position now both internally and externally.
A charitable explanation would be that Musharraf so far was not strong enough to throw out the fundo generals (he being a mohajir and all that); but has used the current situation to throw them out. He has unprecendented support from the West today and knows that if he is overthrown, any succeeding general will be opposed strongly by the West.
Musharraf has gained personally because internationally, he has suddenly become respectable. Internally, within Pak, he wields absolute power - there is no challenge from within the army or from the political parties. His only possible rival could be the jihadis whom he raised - he has been careful not to constrain the jihadis fighting in Kashmir. Hence, I think he is in a very strong position now both internally and externally.
#26 Posted by fairdinkum on October 9, 2001 8:18:03 am
SameerJB #13
You say that the Pro-Taliban demonstrations in Pakistan are mainly driven by Pushtoon elements who are not happy to see their brothers getting hammered across the border.. Yes it seems to be the case... However, I would like to add to your comment re non-urdu speaking clerics in Karachi... Karachi is the ultimate battleground for any major issue in Pakistan. It is here that most punjabis, pushtoons, urdu-speaking, leftists, rightists, fundamentalists etc. etc. want to fight their final battle. The reasons are obvious... It is the largest city of Pakistan... It is the financial hub of Pakistan... It is the lifeline for traders all over the country. If you can paralyze this city, the rest of Pakistan gets affected rather quickly.
Having said all that, it is surprising to see that religious extremists, despite having a sympathetic JI local government here, are unable to disturb life in Karachi... I was out most of the day yesterday and today… not much is happening here.... I can understand why Urdu speaking people have stayed away from Pro-Taliban demos... they were sick and tired of sectarian violence in the city and hold outsiders (mainly punjabi and pushtoon clerics) responsible for it. But interesting thing is that the demonstrations have not attracted all the pushtoons who live in this city either.
As you say, Sindhis have never shown enthusiasm for religious extremism. Due to a very strong sufi influence, sindhis have traditionally disliked Mullahs. Shah Latif openly scorns Mullahs in his poetry.
As for Baluchistan, Pushtoons have a significant presence in quetta and surrounding areas... That is where they have been making noisy and quite violent demonstrations... Yesterday, i listened to some of the speeches of Islamic clerics belonging to JUI... I was socked to hear what they had to say... They were openly calling for the destruction of Pakistan... May be it was said in the heat of the moment... But never the less, it is something Pakistani govt. should take seriously.
I reckon Musharraf has a golden opportunity to crack down on extremists in this country. If Benazir govt. was able to hunt down MQM and eventually made it politically ineffective, Musharraf shouldn’t have too much trouble in closing down madarssahs and wiping out various other sh-it holes (training camps etc.) in this country.
PS.
Bilal Ahmad (hope you remember him) is gravely ill. He underwent a brain tumor operation some three months ago… He also suffered a stroke around the same time… His left side of the body is paralyzed. He is in a wheel chair these days. The tumor was diagnosed to be malignant.
Despite all that, he is in good spirits and would like to hear from his friends on chowk...
His email address is as follows:
bahmad@home.com
You say that the Pro-Taliban demonstrations in Pakistan are mainly driven by Pushtoon elements who are not happy to see their brothers getting hammered across the border.. Yes it seems to be the case... However, I would like to add to your comment re non-urdu speaking clerics in Karachi... Karachi is the ultimate battleground for any major issue in Pakistan. It is here that most punjabis, pushtoons, urdu-speaking, leftists, rightists, fundamentalists etc. etc. want to fight their final battle. The reasons are obvious... It is the largest city of Pakistan... It is the financial hub of Pakistan... It is the lifeline for traders all over the country. If you can paralyze this city, the rest of Pakistan gets affected rather quickly.
Having said all that, it is surprising to see that religious extremists, despite having a sympathetic JI local government here, are unable to disturb life in Karachi... I was out most of the day yesterday and today… not much is happening here.... I can understand why Urdu speaking people have stayed away from Pro-Taliban demos... they were sick and tired of sectarian violence in the city and hold outsiders (mainly punjabi and pushtoon clerics) responsible for it. But interesting thing is that the demonstrations have not attracted all the pushtoons who live in this city either.
As you say, Sindhis have never shown enthusiasm for religious extremism. Due to a very strong sufi influence, sindhis have traditionally disliked Mullahs. Shah Latif openly scorns Mullahs in his poetry.
As for Baluchistan, Pushtoons have a significant presence in quetta and surrounding areas... That is where they have been making noisy and quite violent demonstrations... Yesterday, i listened to some of the speeches of Islamic clerics belonging to JUI... I was socked to hear what they had to say... They were openly calling for the destruction of Pakistan... May be it was said in the heat of the moment... But never the less, it is something Pakistani govt. should take seriously.
I reckon Musharraf has a golden opportunity to crack down on extremists in this country. If Benazir govt. was able to hunt down MQM and eventually made it politically ineffective, Musharraf shouldn’t have too much trouble in closing down madarssahs and wiping out various other sh-it holes (training camps etc.) in this country.
PS.
Bilal Ahmad (hope you remember him) is gravely ill. He underwent a brain tumor operation some three months ago… He also suffered a stroke around the same time… His left side of the body is paralyzed. He is in a wheel chair these days. The tumor was diagnosed to be malignant.
Despite all that, he is in good spirits and would like to hear from his friends on chowk...
His email address is as follows:
bahmad@home.com
#27 Posted by ZafarA on October 9, 2001 1:07:03 pm
Reply Layman #24
So India will pay the price for Pakistan`s acquiescence to America. But India is a hard state - this seems to imply that we won`t be seeing peace between India and Pakistan for some time.
So India will pay the price for Pakistan`s acquiescence to America. But India is a hard state - this seems to imply that we won`t be seeing peace between India and Pakistan for some time.
#28 Posted by ali1 on October 9, 2001 1:07:03 pm
hobyty # 12
Amen to all that you said. It is wonderful to see the strong streak of Pakistani nationalism in your writing. However I don`t agree with this:
[``If only Pakistan would absorb the Afghan refugee and to have the political will to grant them Pakistani citizenship.``]
Why? so that they can burn our movie theaters and smash our banks? burn down the local UNICEF offices? demand sharia laws and right of honor killing? further aggravate the ethnic situation in Baluchistan and the sectarian balance in Parachinar? Why do we want more gun runners and drug smugglers in Pakistan? Why do we want new ``Pakistanis`` who are more loyal to their Pushtunwali and to their Deobandi Islam than to Pakistan?
When Pakistan is passing thru. its most critical phase (at least in my lifetime) the ``Afghan refugees`` in Pakistan want to help their Taliban brethern across the border by burning Pakistani cities!!!
I DONT WANT ANY MORE AFGHANS IN MY PAKISTAN. PAKISTAN`S BORDER WITH AFGHANISTAN MUST BE FENCED RIGHT AWAY. Let the Afghans live in Afghanistan under the Taleban sharia laws and beat their women to their hearts content.
And for people like Tamim Ansary of San Francisco who worry so much about the ``innocent`` Afghans, please apply for asylum for your innocents in San Francisco... we have had enough of these innocents in Pakistan in the past 20 years.
..............................................
Finally, a cyber salute to Gen. Musharraf for appointing the first Baluchi Corps Commander in Pakistan`s history, I hope he makes us all proud... and may God bless you Gen. Musharraf for taking the Mullahs by the horns..... I pray that you`ll be able to snuff out religious extremism in Pakistan very soon.
Amen to all that you said. It is wonderful to see the strong streak of Pakistani nationalism in your writing. However I don`t agree with this:
[``If only Pakistan would absorb the Afghan refugee and to have the political will to grant them Pakistani citizenship.``]
Why? so that they can burn our movie theaters and smash our banks? burn down the local UNICEF offices? demand sharia laws and right of honor killing? further aggravate the ethnic situation in Baluchistan and the sectarian balance in Parachinar? Why do we want more gun runners and drug smugglers in Pakistan? Why do we want new ``Pakistanis`` who are more loyal to their Pushtunwali and to their Deobandi Islam than to Pakistan?
When Pakistan is passing thru. its most critical phase (at least in my lifetime) the ``Afghan refugees`` in Pakistan want to help their Taliban brethern across the border by burning Pakistani cities!!!
I DONT WANT ANY MORE AFGHANS IN MY PAKISTAN. PAKISTAN`S BORDER WITH AFGHANISTAN MUST BE FENCED RIGHT AWAY. Let the Afghans live in Afghanistan under the Taleban sharia laws and beat their women to their hearts content.
And for people like Tamim Ansary of San Francisco who worry so much about the ``innocent`` Afghans, please apply for asylum for your innocents in San Francisco... we have had enough of these innocents in Pakistan in the past 20 years.
..............................................
Finally, a cyber salute to Gen. Musharraf for appointing the first Baluchi Corps Commander in Pakistan`s history, I hope he makes us all proud... and may God bless you Gen. Musharraf for taking the Mullahs by the horns..... I pray that you`ll be able to snuff out religious extremism in Pakistan very soon.
#29 Posted by ali1 on October 9, 2001 1:07:03 pm
hobyty # 12
Amen to all that you said. It is wonderful to see the strong streak of Pakistani nationalism in your writing. However I don`t agree with this:
[``If only Pakistan would absorb the Afghan refugee and to have the political will to grant them Pakistani citizenship.``]
Why? so that they can burn our movie theaters and smash our banks? burn down the local UNICEF offices? demand sharia laws and right of honor killing? further aggravate the ethnic situation in Baluchistan and the sectarian balance in Parachinar? Why do we want more gun runners and drug smugglers in Pakistan? Why do we want new ``Pakistanis`` who are more loyal to their Pushtunwali and to their Deobandi Islam than to Pakistan?
When Pakistan is passing thru. its most critical phase (at least in my lifetime) the ``Afghan refugees`` in Pakistan want to help their Taliban brethern across the border by burning Pakistani cities!!!
I DONT WANT ANY MORE AFGHANS IN MY PAKISTAN. PAKISTAN`S BORDER WITH AFGHANISTAN MUST BE FENCED RIGHT AWAY. Let the Afghans live in Afghanistan under the Taleban sharia laws and beat their women to their hearts content.
And for people like Tamim Ansary of San Francisco who worry so much about the ``innocent`` Afghans, please apply for asylum for your innocents in San Francisco... we have had enough of these innocents in Pakistan in the past 20 years.
..............................................
Finally, a cyber salute to Gen. Musharraf for appointing the first Baluchi Corps Commander in Pakistan`s history, I hope he makes us all proud... and may God bless you Gen. Musharraf for taking the Mullahs by the horns..... I pray that you`ll be able to snuff out religious extremism in Pakistan very soon.
Amen to all that you said. It is wonderful to see the strong streak of Pakistani nationalism in your writing. However I don`t agree with this:
[``If only Pakistan would absorb the Afghan refugee and to have the political will to grant them Pakistani citizenship.``]
Why? so that they can burn our movie theaters and smash our banks? burn down the local UNICEF offices? demand sharia laws and right of honor killing? further aggravate the ethnic situation in Baluchistan and the sectarian balance in Parachinar? Why do we want more gun runners and drug smugglers in Pakistan? Why do we want new ``Pakistanis`` who are more loyal to their Pushtunwali and to their Deobandi Islam than to Pakistan?
When Pakistan is passing thru. its most critical phase (at least in my lifetime) the ``Afghan refugees`` in Pakistan want to help their Taliban brethern across the border by burning Pakistani cities!!!
I DONT WANT ANY MORE AFGHANS IN MY PAKISTAN. PAKISTAN`S BORDER WITH AFGHANISTAN MUST BE FENCED RIGHT AWAY. Let the Afghans live in Afghanistan under the Taleban sharia laws and beat their women to their hearts content.
And for people like Tamim Ansary of San Francisco who worry so much about the ``innocent`` Afghans, please apply for asylum for your innocents in San Francisco... we have had enough of these innocents in Pakistan in the past 20 years.
..............................................
Finally, a cyber salute to Gen. Musharraf for appointing the first Baluchi Corps Commander in Pakistan`s history, I hope he makes us all proud... and may God bless you Gen. Musharraf for taking the Mullahs by the horns..... I pray that you`ll be able to snuff out religious extremism in Pakistan very soon.
#30 Posted by rsaxena on October 9, 2001 1:07:03 pm
Re: RanaRansher #19
Good one! Be careful not to sting the already hurting behinds.
Stuka #21
Did you read #19 before writing that?
Good one! Be careful not to sting the already hurting behinds.
Stuka #21
Did you read #19 before writing that?
#31 Posted by shammi on October 9, 2001 1:07:03 pm
Our best wishes are with Bilal Ahmed for a speedy recovery.
#32 Posted by Banjaara on October 9, 2001 1:07:03 pm
hobbyty # 12
``If only Pakistan would absorb the Afghan refugee and to have the political will to grant them Pakistani citizenship.``
Who cares if they are granted citizenship or not,
they are there for the last 20 years and they
number 2 million.They are no problem, either for the people or the GoP,it is those darned Biharis/
Pakistanis numbering 250,000 who are the real problem for the millat e islamia.Why can`t they
just go away,so that we can welcome our brothers
from Afghanistan and learn newer methods of
inhuman treatment to our women.
Regards.
``If only Pakistan would absorb the Afghan refugee and to have the political will to grant them Pakistani citizenship.``
Who cares if they are granted citizenship or not,
they are there for the last 20 years and they
number 2 million.They are no problem, either for the people or the GoP,it is those darned Biharis/
Pakistanis numbering 250,000 who are the real problem for the millat e islamia.Why can`t they
just go away,so that we can welcome our brothers
from Afghanistan and learn newer methods of
inhuman treatment to our women.
Regards.
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