Ali A Minai October 11, 2001
#33 Posted by sadna on October 12, 2001 10:18:32 am
Syed Ahmed
Is it Islam to drag India into a discussion of Islam?
Is it Islam to drag India into a discussion of Islam?
#34 Posted by sr_chwk on October 12, 2001 10:38:14 am
ram-rahim,
its not just the lack of family planning, its also, by effectively suppressing other religion.
people are left with no choice but to follow what was forced on.
for any change in society women`s role is very important, they play directly or indirectly a vital role, by denying them the even basic rights and identity, effectively contained any change.
its not just the lack of family planning, its also, by effectively suppressing other religion.
people are left with no choice but to follow what was forced on.
for any change in society women`s role is very important, they play directly or indirectly a vital role, by denying them the even basic rights and identity, effectively contained any change.
#35 Posted by Aisha_Sarwari on October 12, 2001 10:38:14 am
Re: Ram_Rahim
Judging form your infected name, I gather you are from India
``When you are Ignorant and poor, all you do is breed. Islam is the fasted growing religion because of lack of family planning, NOT conversions.``
Much obliged to have your much thought-out insights on life. This much explains why there are 1.14 billion Indians in the world.
Aisha
Judging form your infected name, I gather you are from India
``When you are Ignorant and poor, all you do is breed. Islam is the fasted growing religion because of lack of family planning, NOT conversions.``
Much obliged to have your much thought-out insights on life. This much explains why there are 1.14 billion Indians in the world.
Aisha
#37 Posted by ZafarA on October 12, 2001 10:38:14 am
Reply Drumz # 4
“Maybe then there`d be less coolie SLAVES begging the west for forgiveness and more Malcolm X`s telling the white man the truth to his face.”
Hurrah! He’s back and tactful as ever. Good to “see” you on chowk again Drumz. Howzit?
“Maybe then there`d be less coolie SLAVES begging the west for forgiveness and more Malcolm X`s telling the white man the truth to his face.”
Hurrah! He’s back and tactful as ever. Good to “see” you on chowk again Drumz. Howzit?
#38 Posted by ZafarA on October 12, 2001 10:38:14 am
Reply RSaxena #: 18
[``Those who lament the fact that Islam today wears the face of militancy in the eyes of the world should keep this in mind: When those who are moderate do not speak as loudly as the militants, the militants speak for them too. The only way to reclaim the enlightened aspect of Islam is to pursue it aggressively. Call it extremism in the pursuit of moderation. And that is no vice.``
“We`ve seen the angry responses Pakistanis have given their fellow Muslims SameerJB and hamidm each time the latter have attempted to do this. Do you really think this is possible?”]
Cyberspace is a good place to start.
[``Those who lament the fact that Islam today wears the face of militancy in the eyes of the world should keep this in mind: When those who are moderate do not speak as loudly as the militants, the militants speak for them too. The only way to reclaim the enlightened aspect of Islam is to pursue it aggressively. Call it extremism in the pursuit of moderation. And that is no vice.``
“We`ve seen the angry responses Pakistanis have given their fellow Muslims SameerJB and hamidm each time the latter have attempted to do this. Do you really think this is possible?”]
Cyberspace is a good place to start.
#39 Posted by ZafarA on October 12, 2001 10:38:14 am
Reply Fuzair # 23
“Frankly, this article is tripe. Not because I disagree with the author`s words condemning the extremists or the moderates lack of a spine (mea culpa), but because I disagree with the author`s basic premise that Islam has any relevance to the modern world.”
Politics is the art of the possible. What’s a realistic position to take which will contribute to enough people taking concrete steps towards a better world?
“Frankly, this article is tripe. Not because I disagree with the author`s words condemning the extremists or the moderates lack of a spine (mea culpa), but because I disagree with the author`s basic premise that Islam has any relevance to the modern world.”
Politics is the art of the possible. What’s a realistic position to take which will contribute to enough people taking concrete steps towards a better world?
#40 Posted by ZafarA on October 12, 2001 10:38:14 am
Reply Eklavya # 30
“Look, look! I knew there had to be some thoughts that you two could share! :)”
Funny, I had always imagined the subcontinental cupid to be from the South (one Mr Cupidanathan).
“Look, look! I knew there had to be some thoughts that you two could share! :)”
Funny, I had always imagined the subcontinental cupid to be from the South (one Mr Cupidanathan).
#41 Posted by hobbyty on October 12, 2001 10:38:14 am
Ram-Rahim
``When you are Ignorant and poor, all you do is breed. Islam is the fasted growing religion because of lack of family planning, NOT conversions``.
Whereas you the product of an enlightened education? Someone say Hindutva?
``When you are Ignorant and poor, all you do is breed. Islam is the fasted growing religion because of lack of family planning, NOT conversions``.
Whereas you the product of an enlightened education? Someone say Hindutva?
#42 Posted by akhlesh on October 12, 2001 10:38:14 am
A thoughtful, even-handed article. Much appreciated!
#43 Posted by manoj on October 12, 2001 10:38:14 am
I think the problem with Muslims is as a Pakistani intellectual says is that Muslims try to be `PUBLIC MUSLIMS` and not `PRIVATE MUSLIMS`. The Muslims try very publicly to outdo others when trying to show their Islamic credentials. They try to shout `Jehad` most loudly, try to inform the whole world that they have performed `haj` by mentioning the fact in front of their names and name plates at home, try to get the mark on the forehead which shows that they have been performing the prayers very regularly etc.
It is time to remember what Bulle Shah or was it Paltu said `mathe ghis gaye par bane nahi namazi`.
( by rubbing foreheads and getting a mark on the forehead does not make a true believer)
It is time to remember what Bulle Shah or was it Paltu said `mathe ghis gaye par bane nahi namazi`.
( by rubbing foreheads and getting a mark on the forehead does not make a true believer)
#44 Posted by hxn on October 12, 2001 10:38:14 am
Scout # 24
“Interesting article, but then, why make religion such an issue anyway?”
don’t you see a MASSIVE inconsistency in what you’re saying?! The creation of pakistan, the jihad in kashmir – causes I believe you support – hardly areas where religion has not been made an issue!
I don’t think you’re even aware of the glaring hypocrisy.
“Interesting article, but then, why make religion such an issue anyway?”
don’t you see a MASSIVE inconsistency in what you’re saying?! The creation of pakistan, the jihad in kashmir – causes I believe you support – hardly areas where religion has not been made an issue!
I don’t think you’re even aware of the glaring hypocrisy.
#45 Posted by shakir69 on October 12, 2001 10:38:14 am
nice sermon ali. when do you come in from ohio to lead the silent majority on the streets against the extremist minority. reading your article reminded me of the terrorism ``experts`` on cnn pontificating about terrorists. what does it take to become a terrorism expert? reading a few books and then regurgitating what you read?
Anyhow let me know when you land, so I can pick you up!
shakir
Anyhow let me know when you land, so I can pick you up!
shakir
#46 Posted by jagdeep on October 12, 2001 10:38:14 am
re: minai, scout
It is a good article. The `moderates` should have the courage to speak out. But speaking out does not mean to compete with the fundamentalists on the interpertation of Quran, the meaning of this or that. This war cannot be won. The need to speak out means to tell these religious leaders to keep off the political scene ( as scout 24) says. There should be no mixing of religion with the State whether in governance, education, justice etc. Religion should be individuals private affair and a facilitator for one to relate with ones God, whatever form that may take. That is the only way forward.
It is a good article. The `moderates` should have the courage to speak out. But speaking out does not mean to compete with the fundamentalists on the interpertation of Quran, the meaning of this or that. This war cannot be won. The need to speak out means to tell these religious leaders to keep off the political scene ( as scout 24) says. There should be no mixing of religion with the State whether in governance, education, justice etc. Religion should be individuals private affair and a facilitator for one to relate with ones God, whatever form that may take. That is the only way forward.
#47 Posted by Godot on October 12, 2001 10:38:14 am
Re: Jay, #27
You make an excellent point, especially about Naipaul. That award is a very not-so-subtle commentary on Islam by the West.
You make an excellent point, especially about Naipaul. That award is a very not-so-subtle commentary on Islam by the West.
#48 Posted by MaheshG on October 12, 2001 10:38:14 am
Scout,
I hope you now know why I asked you about terrorism in Kashmir.
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